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	<title>Comments on: FoxLash: Roger Ailes Discovers Journalism All Of A Sudden</title>
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		<title>By: factcheck</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/09/27/foxlash-roger-ailes-discovers-journalism-all-of-a-sudden/#comment-45266</link>
		<dc:creator>factcheck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Sep 2006 23:08:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That question was the reportorial equivalent of a push poll.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That question was the reportorial equivalent of a push poll.</p>
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		<title>By: Quaker in a Basement</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/09/27/foxlash-roger-ailes-discovers-journalism-all-of-a-sudden/#comment-45265</link>
		<dc:creator>Quaker in a Basement</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Sep 2006 23:05:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Wow- you guys think that Chris Wallace&#039;s question was &quot;slanted and hostile?&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

Of course it was.

Slanted: the question suggested a direct link between Clinton&#039;s anti-terrorism effort and 9-11. As Mr. Clinton pointed out, it&#039;s not a question Fox reporters like to ask anyone in the current adminsitration. So I&#039;d say, yes, it was slanted.

Hostile: If my memory is correct, the question was phrased, &quot;Why didn&#039;t you do more...&quot; That&#039;s a prosecutorial formulation that presumes that more should have and could have been done and the need to do so was apparent at the time.
So I&#039;d say, yes it was hostile.

Am I disturbed that Wallace asked it? No. As you correctly point out, Wallace is not alone in asking aggressive questions.

Do I think Clinton responded approriately. Indeed I do.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Wow- you guys think that Chris Wallace&#8217;s question was &#8220;slanted and hostile?&#8221;</em></p>
<p>Of course it was.</p>
<p>Slanted: the question suggested a direct link between Clinton&#8217;s anti-terrorism effort and 9-11. As Mr. Clinton pointed out, it&#8217;s not a question Fox reporters like to ask anyone in the current adminsitration. So I&#8217;d say, yes, it was slanted.</p>
<p>Hostile: If my memory is correct, the question was phrased, &#8220;Why didn&#8217;t you do more&#8230;&#8221; That&#8217;s a prosecutorial formulation that presumes that more should have and could have been done and the need to do so was apparent at the time.<br />
So I&#8217;d say, yes it was hostile.</p>
<p>Am I disturbed that Wallace asked it? No. As you correctly point out, Wallace is not alone in asking aggressive questions.</p>
<p>Do I think Clinton responded approriately. Indeed I do.</p>
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		<title>By: Rex Mundane</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/09/27/foxlash-roger-ailes-discovers-journalism-all-of-a-sudden/#comment-45264</link>
		<dc:creator>Rex Mundane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Sep 2006 21:18:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And what merit does the question have? Whatever the reasons could possibly be why he &quot;didnt do enough&quot;, who honestly, right now, cares what those reasons were? Focus on Lewinsky? Faulty Intelligence? Voodoo Curse? Who gives a fetid shit? The purpose of the question is merely to say, to Clintons face, &quot;You didnt do enough&quot; which itself is a debate worthy topic, yes, but not the way Wallace framed it. The question wasnt weighted, it wasnt even a question. What merit exactly do you think it has?

And a key difference from Wallace&#039;s Rhetorical question and Thomas&#039; and Gregory&#039;s questions is that, aggressive though they are, they are asking actual questions, looking for facts.
In fairness, if you can point to one of them asking an imflammatory and purely rhetorical question, such as &quot;when the President recieved that fateful August 6th PDB which he failed to act upon, arguably doing more to allow Bin Laden to attack us than any other single action, what did he have for breakfast that day?&quot; then I will condemn them with equal intensity. However if your problem is that they ask aggressive/hostile questions and that you think Wallace&#039;s question-like statement is likened to those, than the problem seems to be your inability to differentiate the two, not ours.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And what merit does the question have? Whatever the reasons could possibly be why he &#8220;didnt do enough&#8221;, who honestly, right now, cares what those reasons were? Focus on Lewinsky? Faulty Intelligence? Voodoo Curse? Who gives a fetid shit? The purpose of the question is merely to say, to Clintons face, &#8220;You didnt do enough&#8221; which itself is a debate worthy topic, yes, but not the way Wallace framed it. The question wasnt weighted, it wasnt even a question. What merit exactly do you think it has?</p>
<p>And a key difference from Wallace&#8217;s Rhetorical question and Thomas&#8217; and Gregory&#8217;s questions is that, aggressive though they are, they are asking actual questions, looking for facts.<br />
In fairness, if you can point to one of them asking an imflammatory and purely rhetorical question, such as &#8220;when the President recieved that fateful August 6th PDB which he failed to act upon, arguably doing more to allow Bin Laden to attack us than any other single action, what did he have for breakfast that day?&#8221; then I will condemn them with equal intensity. However if your problem is that they ask aggressive/hostile questions and that you think Wallace&#8217;s question-like statement is likened to those, than the problem seems to be your inability to differentiate the two, not ours.</p>
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		<title>By: Marty</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/09/27/foxlash-roger-ailes-discovers-journalism-all-of-a-sudden/#comment-45263</link>
		<dc:creator>Marty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Sep 2006 20:43:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And how did this subject get changed to Farris&#039;s... well whatever you&#039;re calling it. (I thought you guys on the left were so tolerant.)

You must not really want to talk about the merit of the question.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And how did this subject get changed to Farris&#8217;s&#8230; well whatever you&#8217;re calling it. (I thought you guys on the left were so tolerant.)</p>
<p>You must not really want to talk about the merit of the question.</p>
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		<title>By: Marty</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/09/27/foxlash-roger-ailes-discovers-journalism-all-of-a-sudden/#comment-45262</link>
		<dc:creator>Marty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Sep 2006 20:42:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow- you guys think that Chris Wallace&#039;s question was &quot;slanted and hostile?&quot; Have you ever seen a White House Press Conference lately? You must all just hate how Helen Thomas asks her questions. An affront to journalism.

Or how about Jennifer Loven? Or how about David Gregory?

You think that Wallace&#039;s question was unfair?

Explain.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow- you guys think that Chris Wallace&#8217;s question was &#8220;slanted and hostile?&#8221; Have you ever seen a White House Press Conference lately? You must all just hate how Helen Thomas asks her questions. An affront to journalism.</p>
<p>Or how about Jennifer Loven? Or how about David Gregory?</p>
<p>You think that Wallace&#8217;s question was unfair?</p>
<p>Explain.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Anatole Gavage-Huskanoy</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/09/27/foxlash-roger-ailes-discovers-journalism-all-of-a-sudden/#comment-45261</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr. Anatole Gavage-Huskanoy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Sep 2006 19:08:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t let those hateful liberals stop you from delivering your powerful, fact-based, rigorously logical posts, Farris! Don&#039;t let the light go down on me-ee-eee-eee!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t let those hateful liberals stop you from delivering your powerful, fact-based, rigorously logical posts, Farris! Don&#8217;t let the light go down on me-ee-eee-eee!</p>
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		<title>By: SaveFarris</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/09/27/foxlash-roger-ailes-discovers-journalism-all-of-a-sudden/#comment-45260</link>
		<dc:creator>SaveFarris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Sep 2006 18:59:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hateful vitriol in absence of actual debate skills it is!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hateful vitriol in absence of actual debate skills it is!</p>
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		<title>By: factcheck</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/09/27/foxlash-roger-ailes-discovers-journalism-all-of-a-sudden/#comment-45259</link>
		<dc:creator>factcheck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Sep 2006 18:10:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*rim shot*
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*rim shot*</p>
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		<title>By: midderpidge</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/09/27/foxlash-roger-ailes-discovers-journalism-all-of-a-sudden/#comment-45258</link>
		<dc:creator>midderpidge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Sep 2006 18:05:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thus Farris and George W Bush have another thing in common, they both profess a fondness for &quot;My Pet Goat&quot;.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thus Farris and George W Bush have another thing in common, they both profess a fondness for &#8220;My Pet Goat&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: factcheck</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/09/27/foxlash-roger-ailes-discovers-journalism-all-of-a-sudden/#comment-45257</link>
		<dc:creator>factcheck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Sep 2006 18:02:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MJB, there are those that don&#039;t believe that farris has the right to his sexual perversions.  I think they are wrong.

(remember that from the pResident?)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MJB, there are those that don&#8217;t believe that farris has the right to his sexual perversions.  I think they are wrong.</p>
<p>(remember that from the pResident?)</p>
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		<title>By: MJB</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/09/27/foxlash-roger-ailes-discovers-journalism-all-of-a-sudden/#comment-45256</link>
		<dc:creator>MJB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Sep 2006 17:49:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fact, some say that&#039;s f-ing hilarious.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fact, some say that&#8217;s f-ing hilarious.</p>
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		<title>By: factcheck</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/09/27/foxlash-roger-ailes-discovers-journalism-all-of-a-sudden/#comment-45255</link>
		<dc:creator>factcheck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Sep 2006 17:44:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>squid, I get emails all the time about ferris&#039; sexuality.  I know we&#039;re here to talk about Roger Ailes but the people want to know!

(wondering when ferris will get the irony)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>squid, I get emails all the time about ferris&#8217; sexuality.  I know we&#8217;re here to talk about Roger Ailes but the people want to know!</p>
<p>(wondering when ferris will get the irony)</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Squid</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/09/27/foxlash-roger-ailes-discovers-journalism-all-of-a-sudden/#comment-45254</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr. Squid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Sep 2006 17:31:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So how does SaveFarris, the bedwetting pantywaist feel about being part of a movement that lost the war on terror because pursuit of conservative ideology was more important than catching terrorists?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So how does SaveFarris, the bedwetting pantywaist feel about being part of a movement that lost the war on terror because pursuit of conservative ideology was more important than catching terrorists?</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Squid</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/09/27/foxlash-roger-ailes-discovers-journalism-all-of-a-sudden/#comment-45253</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr. Squid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Sep 2006 17:29:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just so Jay knows...

The NIE says that the war on terror was actually won. Al Qaeda was close to being dismantled. Terrorist funding was drying up. bin Laden was trapped in a cave.

That is until conservatives came along and lost it by having such a hard-on for Iraq&#039;s oil. Now terrorists are bigger than ever, thanks to conservatives. Thaks to conservatives, bin Laden escaped. Conservatives caused America to lose. It really doesn&#039;t matter why - conservatives lost the war on terror.

In short: Clinton&#039;s military had won the war, but conservatives gave it back.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just so Jay knows&#8230;</p>
<p>The NIE says that the war on terror was actually won. Al Qaeda was close to being dismantled. Terrorist funding was drying up. bin Laden was trapped in a cave.</p>
<p>That is until conservatives came along and lost it by having such a hard-on for Iraq&#8217;s oil. Now terrorists are bigger than ever, thanks to conservatives. Thaks to conservatives, bin Laden escaped. Conservatives caused America to lose. It really doesn&#8217;t matter why &#8211; conservatives lost the war on terror.</p>
<p>In short: Clinton&#8217;s military had won the war, but conservatives gave it back.</p>
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		<title>By: factcheck</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/09/27/foxlash-roger-ailes-discovers-journalism-all-of-a-sudden/#comment-45252</link>
		<dc:creator>factcheck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Sep 2006 17:28:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Questions have been raised, ferris, it would be irresponsible not to debate it.

(Exhibiting FauxNews debating style).
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Questions have been raised, ferris, it would be irresponsible not to debate it.</p>
<p>(Exhibiting FauxNews debating style).</p>
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		<title>By: SaveFarris</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/09/27/foxlash-roger-ailes-discovers-journalism-all-of-a-sudden/#comment-45251</link>
		<dc:creator>SaveFarris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Sep 2006 17:13:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gee, factcheck, that&#039;s the second time in a week you&#039;ve questioned my sexual orientation.  Do you actually have a compelling argument or are you relying on hateful vitriol in absence of actual debate skills?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gee, factcheck, that&#8217;s the second time in a week you&#8217;ve questioned my sexual orientation.  Do you actually have a compelling argument or are you relying on hateful vitriol in absence of actual debate skills?</p>
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		<title>By: factcheck</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/09/27/foxlash-roger-ailes-discovers-journalism-all-of-a-sudden/#comment-45250</link>
		<dc:creator>factcheck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Sep 2006 17:08:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some say ferris fellates goats.  Discuss.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some say ferris fellates goats.  Discuss.</p>
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		<title>By: MJB</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/09/27/foxlash-roger-ailes-discovers-journalism-all-of-a-sudden/#comment-45249</link>
		<dc:creator>MJB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Sep 2006 17:05:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Try doing a search at the New York Times using the phrase &quot;critics say&quot;...

I&#039;m sure you did a search, so tell us how many instances a news article cited &quot;critics&quot; without actually quoting from a critic.

Then you should search Fox transcripts for &quot;some say ...&quot; and see if any actual &quot;somes&quot; are quoted.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Try doing a search at the New York Times using the phrase &#8220;critics say&#8221;&#8230;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure you did a search, so tell us how many instances a news article cited &#8220;critics&#8221; without actually quoting from a critic.</p>
<p>Then you should search Fox transcripts for &#8220;some say &#8230;&#8221; and see if any actual &#8220;somes&#8221; are quoted.</p>
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		<title>By: MJB</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/09/27/foxlash-roger-ailes-discovers-journalism-all-of-a-sudden/#comment-45248</link>
		<dc:creator>MJB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Sep 2006 17:00:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think he also means the same NY Times that held numerous stories before the election at the President&#039;s request.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think he also means the same NY Times that held numerous stories before the election at the President&#8217;s request.</p>
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		<title>By: SaveFarris</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/09/27/foxlash-roger-ailes-discovers-journalism-all-of-a-sudden/#comment-45247</link>
		<dc:creator>SaveFarris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Sep 2006 16:18:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I thought the best part was how Wallace tried to hide behind &quot;viewers&#039; emails,&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Try doing a search at the New York Times using the phrase &quot;critics say&quot;...
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I thought the best part was how Wallace tried to hide behind &#8220;viewers&#8217; emails,&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Try doing a search at the New York Times using the phrase &#8220;critics say&#8221;&#8230;</p>
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