Comments on: Learning From Bush http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/08/27/learning-from-bush/ Like Kryptonite To Stupid Sun, 22 Nov 2009 18:12:30 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Roni http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/08/27/learning-from-bush/#comment-42517 Roni Fri, 01 Sep 2006 23:18:37 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=2601#comment-42517 Midder, you have fine endurance to continue this "conversation" with Dugger!! Midder, you have fine endurance to continue this “conversation” with Dugger!!

]]> By: midderpidge http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/08/27/learning-from-bush/#comment-42516 midderpidge Fri, 01 Sep 2006 22:27:09 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=2601#comment-42516 Explain how Bush doesn't expect us to accept as true what he says. Explain how Bush doesn’t expect us to accept as true what he says.

]]> By: Dugger http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/08/27/learning-from-bush/#comment-42515 Dugger Fri, 01 Sep 2006 18:13:02 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=2601#comment-42515 Midder, How do you know what he wanted? I'm not saying you should assume anything; you should think. Midder,

How do you know what he wanted?

I’m not saying you should assume anything; you should think.

]]> By: midderpidge http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/08/27/learning-from-bush/#comment-42514 midderpidge Fri, 01 Sep 2006 17:45:11 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=2601#comment-42514 He said the words didn't he? Are you saying I should assume he didn't mean for us to believe him? He said the words didn’t he? Are you saying I should assume he didn’t mean for us to believe him?

]]> By: Dugger http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/08/27/learning-from-bush/#comment-42513 Dugger Fri, 01 Sep 2006 15:02:33 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=2601#comment-42513 midder, He "wanted"? How do you know what he wanted?? midder, He “wanted”? How do you know what he wanted??

]]> By: midderpidge http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/08/27/learning-from-bush/#comment-42512 midderpidge Thu, 31 Aug 2006 16:08:09 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=2601#comment-42512 Explain exactly what you mean by Bush's intentions. The SOTU yellow cake, he wanted Americans to believe Hussein was pursuing nuclear materials from Africa, despite the CIA saying it wasn't so. The "saw the plane hit the tower" claim, he wanted his interviewer to think he saw the plane hitting the tower live and that he didn't ealize it was a deliberate attack. There are his intentions laid out as bare and simple as could be. Explain exactly what you mean by Bush’s intentions. The SOTU yellow cake, he wanted Americans to believe Hussein was pursuing nuclear materials from Africa, despite the CIA saying it wasn’t so. The “saw the plane hit the tower” claim, he wanted his interviewer to think he saw the plane hitting the tower live and that he didn’t ealize it was a deliberate attack. There are his intentions laid out as bare and simple as could be.

]]> By: Dugger http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/08/27/learning-from-bush/#comment-42511 Dugger Thu, 31 Aug 2006 12:13:53 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=2601#comment-42511 How do you know 'intention" boys? How do you know ‘intention” boys?

]]> By: frameone http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/08/27/learning-from-bush/#comment-42510 frameone Thu, 31 Aug 2006 06:08:41 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=2601#comment-42510 Bush is a liar and Dugger is an idiot. That pretty much sums it up, right? Bush is a liar and Dugger is an idiot. That pretty much sums it up, right?

]]> By: midderpidge http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/08/27/learning-from-bush/#comment-42509 midderpidge Thu, 31 Aug 2006 04:13:58 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=2601#comment-42509 Dukker, you aren't even close ...to reality. Dukker, you aren’t even close …to reality.

]]> By: Dugger http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/08/27/learning-from-bush/#comment-42508 Dugger Thu, 31 Aug 2006 02:26:37 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=2601#comment-42508 Well, boys, when you explain how you are to divine Bush's intentions, we'll talk about possible lies. Until then, you ain't got jack squat. Just infantile leftist rage; and not a single lie by Pres Bush proven. Not one. You aren't even close. Well, boys, when you explain how you are to divine Bush’s intentions, we’ll talk about possible lies. Until then, you ain’t got jack squat. Just infantile leftist rage; and not a single lie by Pres Bush proven. Not one. You aren’t even close.

]]> By: midderpidge http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/08/27/learning-from-bush/#comment-42507 midderpidge Wed, 30 Aug 2006 21:47:42 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=2601#comment-42507 Not to mention Duros' example. Not to mention Duros’ example.

]]> By: midderpidge http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/08/27/learning-from-bush/#comment-42506 midderpidge Wed, 30 Aug 2006 21:46:16 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=2601#comment-42506 Impossible embellishments, Dugger. Bush couldn't have possibly thought what he claimed. Unless you want to argue severe mental illness or diminished capacity. The simplest explanation is best for you. SOTU: the yellowcake claim was debunked by the CIA months before the speech (it was yanked from at least one other speech), and yet, there it was. Deceptive and misleading. A lie. Impossible embellishments, Dugger. Bush couldn’t have possibly thought what he claimed. Unless you want to argue severe mental illness or diminished capacity. The simplest explanation is best for you.

SOTU: the yellowcake claim was debunked by the CIA months before the speech (it was yanked from at least one other speech), and yet, there it was. Deceptive and misleading. A lie.

]]> By: Duros62 http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/08/27/learning-from-bush/#comment-42505 Duros62 Wed, 30 Aug 2006 21:28:18 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=2601#comment-42505 Ok, I guess I win. You won't answer, fine. This is how you play this game, dugger. You know you've been pwned so you disappear from the thread. Ok, I guess I win. You won’t answer, fine. This is how you play this game, dugger. You know you’ve been pwned so you disappear from the thread.

]]> By: Dugger http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/08/27/learning-from-bush/#comment-42504 Dugger Wed, 30 Aug 2006 21:15:11 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=2601#comment-42504 Midder "Well, Dugger, why would Bush deliberately give us a false statement?" And by what magic means do you KNOW Bush 'deliberately' gave a false statement? As opposed to giving a statement that turned out to be false. Let me help. You 'know', because you don't like Bush. Midder

“Well, Dugger, why would Bush deliberately give us a false statement?”

And by what magic means do you KNOW Bush ‘deliberately’ gave a false statement?

As opposed to giving a statement that turned out to be false. Let me help. You ‘know’, because you don’t like Bush.

]]> By: Duros62 http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/08/27/learning-from-bush/#comment-42503 Duros62 Wed, 30 Aug 2006 15:55:28 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=2601#comment-42503 Dugger, why won't you answer this simple question? <i>"Nothing has changed, by the way. When we're talking about chasing down terrorists, we're talking about getting a court order before we do so.”</i> Simple question. Was this statement true? Or False? Dugger, why won’t you answer this simple question?

“Nothing has changed, by the way. When we’re talking about chasing down terrorists, we’re talking about getting a court order before we do so.”

Simple question. Was this statement true? Or False?

]]> By: midderpidge http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/08/27/learning-from-bush/#comment-42502 midderpidge Wed, 30 Aug 2006 15:48:18 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=2601#comment-42502 Yeah, I just don't like his policies and don't trust Bush because he has no credibility. Yeah, I just don’t like his policies and don’t trust Bush because he has no credibility.

]]> By: factcheck http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/08/27/learning-from-bush/#comment-42501 factcheck Wed, 30 Aug 2006 14:52:29 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=2601#comment-42501 But Dugger, how can we REALLY know if someone suffers from Bush-hate unless we can see into their soul? You ass-ume bush-hate when there is none proven. I challenge you to come up with a bona-fide, verifiable, instance of Bush-hate. I bet you can't do it. But Dugger, how can we REALLY know if someone suffers from Bush-hate unless we can see into their soul? You ass-ume bush-hate when there is none proven.

I challenge you to come up with a bona-fide, verifiable, instance of Bush-hate. I bet you can’t do it.

]]> By: midderpidge http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/08/27/learning-from-bush/#comment-42500 midderpidge Wed, 30 Aug 2006 14:36:55 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=2601#comment-42500 Well, Dugger, why would Bush deliberately give us a false statement? Was it to entertain us as in a joke? Was it a poem or a story he was telling us? The purpose of Bush, is to get us to believe that the false statement he gives is true. It's like the SOTU 17 words. The CIA (our intelligence service that Bush alledgedly relies on) said the British claims were bunk. They told the White House not to make the claim, the White House played semantics to get around the CIA objections, but the fact remains, the CIA analysis said the claim was bunk. So why would Bush include it in the SOTU? As a joke? To entertain us? No, to try and deceive people into believing it was valid and true. Mislead. That is the definition of lie. You see that and want to argue that Bush might not have known it was misleading or false. That falls on Bush, if he isn't capable of doing his homework or being properly informed on the major issues he faces as President. The problem you seem to struggle with is that Bush isn't just the man, he is the office as well. And when the office lies, as it did in the SOTU, Bush takes the hit on credibility and is the liar himself. Taking the simple lie about seeing the planes hit live and his impressions of a bad pilot, that is the man, not just as the office, being a liar. You lost the argument. Bush has lied. When your argument devolves into my objectivity vs. your objectivity, you leave the reservation. My "bush hate" drives me to the dictionary (Webster) in an argument about the definition of a word? If looking up the definition in an argument over the defintion of a word is a progressive fault, I can see the lack of information and logic you regressives rely on for issues such as global warming, pollution, education and Iraq. Talk about drinking the kool-aid. Well, Dugger, why would Bush deliberately give us a false statement? Was it to entertain us as in a joke? Was it a poem or a story he was telling us? The purpose of Bush, is to get us to believe that the false statement he gives is true.

It’s like the SOTU 17 words. The CIA (our intelligence service that Bush alledgedly relies on) said the British claims were bunk. They told the White House not to make the claim, the White House played semantics to get around the CIA objections, but the fact remains, the CIA analysis said the claim was bunk. So why would Bush include it in the SOTU? As a joke? To entertain us? No, to try and deceive people into believing it was valid and true. Mislead. That is the definition of lie.

You see that and want to argue that Bush might not have known it was misleading or false. That falls on Bush, if he isn’t capable of doing his homework or being properly informed on the major issues he faces as President. The problem you seem to struggle with is that Bush isn’t just the man, he is the office as well. And when the office lies, as it did in the SOTU, Bush takes the hit on credibility and is the liar himself.

Taking the simple lie about seeing the planes hit live and his impressions of a bad pilot, that is the man, not just as the office, being a liar.

You lost the argument. Bush has lied. When your argument devolves into my objectivity vs. your objectivity, you leave the reservation. My “bush hate” drives me to the dictionary (Webster) in an argument about the definition of a word? If looking up the definition in an argument over the defintion of a word is a progressive fault, I can see the lack of information and logic you regressives rely on for issues such as global warming, pollution, education and Iraq. Talk about drinking the kool-aid.

]]> By: Dugger http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/08/27/learning-from-bush/#comment-42499 Dugger Wed, 30 Aug 2006 12:54:24 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=2601#comment-42499 OK Midder, "Intent" is not the motive of the liar, but in the purpose of the words to deceive. Same thing. Then, who do you know Bush's purpose. As always the problem for you and progressives is twofold: Bush-hate drives you to opt for the inflammatory "lie" and Webster. You know I'm right, here. I easily admit there are contradictions, misstatements etc. I even SUSPECT he has lied (as have all humans, I believe). But to assert that he has factually lied and then to proclaim that he is some kind of serial lair is silly. OK Midder,

“Intent” is not the motive of the liar, but in the purpose of the words to deceive.

Same thing. Then, who do you know Bush’s purpose. As always the problem for you and progressives is twofold: Bush-hate drives you to opt for the inflammatory “lie” and Webster.

You know I’m right, here. I easily admit there are contradictions, misstatements etc. I even SUSPECT he has lied (as have all humans, I believe). But to assert that he has factually lied and then to proclaim that he is some kind of serial lair is silly.

]]> By: midderpidge http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/08/27/learning-from-bush/#comment-42498 midderpidge Wed, 30 Aug 2006 02:16:23 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=2601#comment-42498 Your argument is with reading comprehension Dugger. Lie: 1 : to make an untrue statement with intent to deceive 2 : to create a false or misleading impression "Intent" is not the motive of the liar, but in the purpose of the words to deceive. Your argument is with reading comprehension Dugger.

Lie:
1 : to make an untrue statement with intent to deceive
2 : to create a false or misleading impression

“Intent” is not the motive of the liar, but in the purpose of the words to deceive.

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