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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/08/24/libertarian-fantasy-deflated/#comment-42386</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Aug 2006 15:37:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Libertarians are as distrustful of corporations as anyone else.  However, what we fear more is over expansive government.

The theory is that in absence of government power individuals will act in a more efficient, more direct manner.  Sometimes those individuals will act through corporations, sometimes not - either way the result will far exceed anything that government can accomplish.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Libertarians are as distrustful of corporations as anyone else.  However, what we fear more is over expansive government.</p>
<p>The theory is that in absence of government power individuals will act in a more efficient, more direct manner.  Sometimes those individuals will act through corporations, sometimes not &#8211; either way the result will far exceed anything that government can accomplish.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill L.</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/08/24/libertarian-fantasy-deflated/#comment-42385</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill L.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Aug 2006 00:27:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For those clowns that can&#039;t be bothered to actually read the linked article, Walmart is one of 5 corporations named as having given more.

How does listing a bunch of companies that donated 10 million or less disprove OW&#039;s point?

Did Amazon donate more than 10 million or did they simply channel private donations?  Were those corporate donations specifically for Katrina or are they a lump sump total of all the charitable donations by a corporation for a particular period?

How do the contributions of private citizens refute the idea that school children raised more money than many corporations?

I&#039;m not saying I totally agree with OW on this, as I don&#039;t know all the stats, but many of the counter arguments presented are either uninformed or at least somewhat suspect.

And how is New Orleans doing, btw?  Maybe that&#039;s the point of debating private donations vs a competent federal response (i.e. FEMA under Clinton before Bush cronied it to death).
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For those clowns that can&#8217;t be bothered to actually read the linked article, Walmart is one of 5 corporations named as having given more.</p>
<p>How does listing a bunch of companies that donated 10 million or less disprove OW&#8217;s point?</p>
<p>Did Amazon donate more than 10 million or did they simply channel private donations?  Were those corporate donations specifically for Katrina or are they a lump sump total of all the charitable donations by a corporation for a particular period?</p>
<p>How do the contributions of private citizens refute the idea that school children raised more money than many corporations?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not saying I totally agree with OW on this, as I don&#8217;t know all the stats, but many of the counter arguments presented are either uninformed or at least somewhat suspect.</p>
<p>And how is New Orleans doing, btw?  Maybe that&#8217;s the point of debating private donations vs a competent federal response (i.e. FEMA under Clinton before Bush cronied it to death).</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/08/24/libertarian-fantasy-deflated/#comment-42384</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Aug 2006 04:23:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Um, no, Jay, that&#039;s the Republican motto, usually accompanied by an pompous and profoundly stupid look.

Remember Mill&#039;s aphorism: &quot;By no means are all conservatives stupid, but most stupid people are conservative.&quot; Most racists and haters too.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Um, no, Jay, that&#8217;s the Republican motto, usually accompanied by an pompous and profoundly stupid look.</p>
<p>Remember Mill&#8217;s aphorism: &#8220;By no means are all conservatives stupid, but most stupid people are conservative.&#8221; Most racists and haters too.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/08/24/libertarian-fantasy-deflated/#comment-42383</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Aug 2006 03:24:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Yea, I agree with z adura. The libertarian motto is &quot;I&#039;ve got mine, so f*ck you&quot;.&lt;/i&gt;

As opposed to the liberal motto which is, &quot;F*ck you, I&#039;m taking yours.&quot;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Yea, I agree with z adura. The libertarian motto is &#8220;I&#8217;ve got mine, so f*ck you&#8221;.</i></p>
<p>As opposed to the liberal motto which is, &#8220;F*ck you, I&#8217;m taking yours.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: factcheck</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/08/24/libertarian-fantasy-deflated/#comment-42382</link>
		<dc:creator>factcheck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Aug 2006 01:52:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yea, I agree with z adura.  The libertarian motto is &quot;I&#039;ve got mine, so f*ck you&quot;.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yea, I agree with z adura.  The libertarian motto is &#8220;I&#8217;ve got mine, so f*ck you&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Hollywood_Freaks</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/08/24/libertarian-fantasy-deflated/#comment-42381</link>
		<dc:creator>Hollywood_Freaks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Aug 2006 00:44:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What?  Oliver, I like your site, but lately you haven&#039;t been making any sense.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What?  Oliver, I like your site, but lately you haven&#8217;t been making any sense.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/08/24/libertarian-fantasy-deflated/#comment-42380</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Aug 2006 23:27:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Leave it to Oliver to fall for this line of crap. The article in question discusses monies given directly for Katrina. What it does not do, is point out that most corporations donate through charities such as the Red Cross, which can disburse the money where it is needed.

In that regard, the following corporations all donated MORE than $10 million to the Red Cross -

Amazon.com
Clearchannel
Intel
Microsoft
Yahoo!

Donated between $5 and $10 million:

Boeing
Cisco Systems
GE
Honda
Saudi Refining
Verizon

There are a bunch of others that donated millions more. This of course does not include people who WORK for those corporations.

The private sector raised over $3 billion for Katrina Relief efforts. Libertarians celebrate the efforts of the private sector and on this one, the private sector came through.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Leave it to Oliver to fall for this line of crap. The article in question discusses monies given directly for Katrina. What it does not do, is point out that most corporations donate through charities such as the Red Cross, which can disburse the money where it is needed.</p>
<p>In that regard, the following corporations all donated MORE than $10 million to the Red Cross -</p>
<p>Amazon.com<br />
Clearchannel<br />
Intel<br />
Microsoft<br />
Yahoo!</p>
<p>Donated between $5 and $10 million:</p>
<p>Boeing<br />
Cisco Systems<br />
GE<br />
Honda<br />
Saudi Refining<br />
Verizon</p>
<p>There are a bunch of others that donated millions more. This of course does not include people who WORK for those corporations.</p>
<p>The private sector raised over $3 billion for Katrina Relief efforts. Libertarians celebrate the efforts of the private sector and on this one, the private sector came through.</p>
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		<title>By: z adura</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/08/24/libertarian-fantasy-deflated/#comment-42379</link>
		<dc:creator>z adura</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Aug 2006 22:12:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am not quite sure where libertarians have claimed that corporations will save anybody or anything.  Libertarians generally feel that it is up to the individual to save him or herself.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not quite sure where libertarians have claimed that corporations will save anybody or anything.  Libertarians generally feel that it is up to the individual to save him or herself.</p>
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		<title>By: SaveFarris</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/08/24/libertarian-fantasy-deflated/#comment-42378</link>
		<dc:creator>SaveFarris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Aug 2006 21:21:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Liberal Fantasy Deflated:  Wal*Mart was the biggest giver.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Liberal Fantasy Deflated:  Wal*Mart was the biggest giver.</p>
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