Comments on: The Lieberman Veep Myth http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/08/09/the-lieberman-veep-myth/ Like Kryptonite To Stupid Fri, 09 Jan 2009 04:09:30 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7 hourly 1 By: xipzclu tahqdwirj http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/08/09/the-lieberman-veep-myth/comment-page-1/#comment-41329 xipzclu tahqdwirj Fri, 21 Sep 2007 13:41:21 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=2491#comment-41329 fyjrlt obdyc vbmk sejbwca xohrekjvw apicro dupjwh fyjrlt obdyc vbmk sejbwca xohrekjvw apicro dupjwh

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]]> By: buma http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/08/09/the-lieberman-veep-myth/comment-page-1/#comment-41327 buma Sat, 12 Aug 2006 19:46:44 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=2491#comment-41327 Let's measure the love CT had for Lieberman when he was running in the 2004 presidential primary. Remember it was his own state voting and --- he came in a distant third, with 5.2% of the votes cast. It shouldn't be a surprise that he also lost to Lamont. Another thing-- if he was so lovable to wingers they could have shown their love by voting for him as vice president in 2000. Let’s measure the love CT had for Lieberman when he was running in the 2004 presidential primary. Remember it was his own state voting and — he came in a distant third, with 5.2% of the votes cast. It shouldn’t be a surprise that he also lost to Lamont.
Another thing– if he was so lovable to wingers they could have shown their love by voting for him as vice president in 2000.

]]> By: Steve Wasser http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/08/09/the-lieberman-veep-myth/comment-page-1/#comment-41326 Steve Wasser Fri, 11 Aug 2006 01:19:02 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=2491#comment-41326 Actually, now that I think about it, my Dad did that. He is a Republican, but ran for State Senate in West Virginia as a Democrat to play the odds, so I'll concede that Lieberman might have been doing the same thing. Of course, he lost, it's West Virginia, after all. Actually, now that I think about it, my Dad did that. He is a Republican, but ran for State Senate in West Virginia as a Democrat to play the odds, so I’ll concede that Lieberman might have been doing the same thing. Of course, he lost, it’s West Virginia, after all.

]]> By: Steve Wasser http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/08/09/the-lieberman-veep-myth/comment-page-1/#comment-41325 Steve Wasser Thu, 10 Aug 2006 23:11:05 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=2491#comment-41325 Sorry, that double posted. Sorry, that double posted.

]]> By: Steve Wasser http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/08/09/the-lieberman-veep-myth/comment-page-1/#comment-41324 Steve Wasser Thu, 10 Aug 2006 23:00:36 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=2491#comment-41324 The case of whether Joe was too conservative for the Democratic party is sort of a red herring. Realistically, in order to be a player, you have to be either a Donkey or an Elephant. There are very few other alternatives that have any shot at representation, let alone the White House. If one were cynical enough, you could postulate that Lieberman was in his heart a Republican, but only ran as a Dem to get the Jewish vote, the vast majority of whom are Dems. Not sure how that actually plays, though, as Jewish voting numbers are miniscule compared to the Christian majority. So, for someone to say Gore solely used Lieberman to get the Jewish vote is like saying Bush only used Cheney to get the Lithuanian vote. In the absence of a Conservative Party or Liberal Party, there must be a framework for liberal Republicans and conservative Democrats to peacefully co-exist, and still be supported by their constituents. Obviously, this did not work in Connecticut, much to my chagrin. Being Jewish, he was my guy. As for his prospects for VP or President, we'll see a Black or Woman in that level of government before we'll ever see a Jew. The case of whether Joe was too conservative for the Democratic party is sort of a red herring. Realistically, in order to be a player, you have to be either a Donkey or an Elephant. There are very few other alternatives that have any shot at representation, let alone the White House. If one were cynical enough, you could postulate that Lieberman was in his heart a Republican, but only ran as a Dem to get the Jewish vote, the vast majority of whom are Dems. Not sure how that actually plays, though, as Jewish voting numbers are miniscule compared to the Christian majority. So, for someone to say Gore solely used Lieberman to get the Jewish vote is like saying Bush only used Cheney to get the Lithuanian vote. In the absence of a Conservative Party or Liberal Party, there must be a framework for liberal Republicans and conservative Democrats to peacefully co-exist, and still be supported by their constituents. Obviously, this did not work in Connecticut, much to my chagrin. Being Jewish, he was my guy. As for his prospects for VP or President, we’ll see a Black or Woman in that level of government before we’ll ever see a Jew.

]]> By: Steve Wasser http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/08/09/the-lieberman-veep-myth/comment-page-1/#comment-41323 Steve Wasser Thu, 10 Aug 2006 23:00:06 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=2491#comment-41323 The case of whether Joe was too conservative for the Democratic party is sort of a red herring. Realistically, in order to be a player, you have to be either a Donkey or an Elephant. There are very few other alternatives that have any shot at representation, let alone the White House. If one were cynical enough, you could postulate that Lieberman was in his heart a Republican, but only ran as a Dem to get the Jewish vote, the vast majority of whom are Dems. Not sure how that actually plays, though, as Jewish voting numbers are miniscule compared to the Christian majority. So, for someone to say Gore solely used Lieberman to get the Jewish vote is like saying Bush only used Cheney to get the Lithuanian vote. In the absence of a Conservative Party or Liberal Party, there must be a framework for liberal Republicans and conservative Democrats to peacefully co-exist, and still be supported by their constituents. Obviously, this did not work in Connecticut, much to my chagrin. Being Jewish, he was my guy. As for his prospects for VP or President, we'll see a Black or Woman in that level of government before we'll ever see a Jew. The case of whether Joe was too conservative for the Democratic party is sort of a red herring. Realistically, in order to be a player, you have to be either a Donkey or an Elephant. There are very few other alternatives that have any shot at representation, let alone the White House. If one were cynical enough, you could postulate that Lieberman was in his heart a Republican, but only ran as a Dem to get the Jewish vote, the vast majority of whom are Dems. Not sure how that actually plays, though, as Jewish voting numbers are miniscule compared to the Christian majority. So, for someone to say Gore solely used Lieberman to get the Jewish vote is like saying Bush only used Cheney to get the Lithuanian vote. In the absence of a Conservative Party or Liberal Party, there must be a framework for liberal Republicans and conservative Democrats to peacefully co-exist, and still be supported by their constituents. Obviously, this did not work in Connecticut, much to my chagrin. Being Jewish, he was my guy. As for his prospects for VP or President, we’ll see a Black or Woman in that level of government before we’ll ever see a Jew.

]]> By: Semanticleo http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/08/09/the-lieberman-veep-myth/comment-page-1/#comment-41322 Semanticleo Thu, 10 Aug 2006 00:25:59 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=2491#comment-41322 PW; Nice bit of sarcasm. But it is the middle-of-the- roadkill cuisine which is in need of seasoning. It is the muddled and tepid center which compels even the most stalwart of left or right leaning politicos to sanitize, lobotomize and scrutinize every jot and tittle, that makes a prepared speech PW;

Nice bit of sarcasm.

But it is the middle-of-the- roadkill cuisine which is in need of seasoning. It is the muddled and tepid center which compels even the most stalwart of left or right leaning politicos to sanitize, lobotomize and scrutinize every jot and tittle, that makes a prepared speech

]]> By: pennywit http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/08/09/the-lieberman-veep-myth/comment-page-1/#comment-41321 pennywit Wed, 09 Aug 2006 23:02:16 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=2491#comment-41321 No, you're wrong. Oliver. I remember it clearly -- Lieberman was brought aboard to assuage voters who thought Gore was not an exciting enough candidate to win the election. --|PW|-- No, you’re wrong. Oliver. I remember it clearly — Lieberman was brought aboard to assuage voters who thought Gore was not an exciting enough candidate to win the election.

–|PW|–

]]> By: Dr. Anatole Gavage-Huskanoy http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/08/09/the-lieberman-veep-myth/comment-page-1/#comment-41320 Dr. Anatole Gavage-Huskanoy Wed, 09 Aug 2006 22:12:55 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=2491#comment-41320 Dugger pretzels -- soft, pale, bland, and past their expiration date. Taste great dunked in plain, room temperature water! Get yours today! Dugger pretzels — soft, pale, bland, and past their expiration date. Taste great dunked in plain, room temperature water! Get yours today!

]]> By: z adura http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/08/09/the-lieberman-veep-myth/comment-page-1/#comment-41319 z adura Wed, 09 Aug 2006 22:06:42 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=2491#comment-41319 Lieberman also had some cred with social conservatives whom DLC types thought they could sway to vote for a Democrat. That never happened either. Lieberman also had some cred with social conservatives whom DLC types thought they could sway to vote for a Democrat. That never happened either.

]]> By: Nimrod Gently http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/08/09/the-lieberman-veep-myth/comment-page-1/#comment-41318 Nimrod Gently Wed, 09 Aug 2006 22:04:26 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=2491#comment-41318 I want some Dugger pretzels now. I want some Dugger pretzels now.

]]> By: Bill L. http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/08/09/the-lieberman-veep-myth/comment-page-1/#comment-41317 Bill L. Wed, 09 Aug 2006 22:03:24 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=2491#comment-41317 on May 27, Bush told West Point graduates, "When the United Nations Security Council gave him [Saddam] one final chance to disclose and disarm, or face serious consequences, he refused to take that final opportunity." Iraq allowed scores of experts to conduct more than 700 inspections from Nov. 27, 2002, to March 16, 2003, right up to the invasion. Even that should fit Dugger's myopic definition of a lie. Lieberman, much like McCain, has benefitted from a media supported effort to enshroud him in some sort of ridiculous aura of sainthood. His selection as the v.p. running mate by Gore was pure politics and had nothing to do with the man's character. It was clearly understood at the time that Lieberman's prominent position on Clinton's transgressions and silly sh*t like video game violence ruining America's youth were seen as a way to give the campaign some sort of moral standing with voters. Too bad neither Gore nor Kerry grew a pair in time to realize that playing nice wasn't going to score them any points with a media establishment hungry to tear them down. on May 27, Bush told West Point graduates, “When the
United Nations Security Council gave him [Saddam] one final chance to disclose and disarm, or face serious consequences, he refused to take that final opportunity.”
Iraq allowed scores of experts to conduct more than 700 inspections from Nov. 27, 2002, to March 16, 2003, right up to the invasion.
Even that should fit Dugger’s myopic definition of a lie.

Lieberman, much like McCain, has benefitted from a media supported effort to enshroud him in some sort of ridiculous aura of sainthood. His selection as the v.p. running mate by Gore was pure politics and had nothing to do with the man’s character. It was clearly understood at the time that Lieberman’s prominent position on Clinton’s transgressions and silly sh*t like video game violence ruining America’s youth were seen as a way to give the campaign some sort of moral standing with voters. Too bad neither Gore nor Kerry grew a pair in time to realize that playing nice wasn’t going to score them any points with a media establishment hungry to tear them down.

]]> By: Duros62 http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/08/09/the-lieberman-veep-myth/comment-page-1/#comment-41316 Duros62 Wed, 09 Aug 2006 21:56:20 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=2491#comment-41316 And I for one never liked him for VP. He always reminds me of <a href="http://www.looptvandfilm.com/blog/droopy.jpg" rel="nofollow">Droopy</a> (y'know, the cartoon?). Even if they were trying to shore up the jewish vote, could they have picked anyone besides a potted plant with less personality or charisma? And I for one never liked him for VP. He always reminds me of Droopy (y’know, the cartoon?).
Even if they were trying to shore up the jewish vote, could they have picked anyone besides a potted plant with less personality or charisma?

]]> By: Duros62 http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/08/09/the-lieberman-veep-myth/comment-page-1/#comment-41315 Duros62 Wed, 09 Aug 2006 21:49:34 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=2491#comment-41315 Why is it always the meme that the Democratic Party has turned it's back on Joe Lieberman (especially by conservative pundits lately) when it seems pretty frakkin' clear to me that lieberman has turned his back not only on the Democratic party but on his constituents and the voters of Conn.? I'll say it again; when you get endorsements from Tom DeLay, Rush Limbaugh, Ann coulter and Chris Matthews, it should be pretty clear you are no longer a Democrat. Why is it always the meme that the Democratic Party has turned it’s back on Joe Lieberman (especially by conservative pundits lately) when it seems pretty frakkin’ clear to me that lieberman has turned his back not only on the Democratic party but on his constituents and the voters of Conn.?
I’ll say it again; when you get endorsements from Tom DeLay, Rush Limbaugh, Ann coulter and Chris Matthews, it should be pretty clear you are no longer a Democrat.

]]> By: Anatole Gavage-Huskanoy http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/08/09/the-lieberman-veep-myth/comment-page-1/#comment-41314 Anatole Gavage-Huskanoy Wed, 09 Aug 2006 21:32:34 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=2491#comment-41314 Weird to think that love can be measured and proved, though lying cannot. But when your standards are determined only by what best hurts liberals, I guess you find yourself bent into Dugger pretzels on a daily basis. Weird to think that love can be measured and proved, though lying cannot. But when your standards are determined only by what best hurts liberals, I guess you find yourself bent into Dugger pretzels on a daily basis.

]]> By: Oliver Willis http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/08/09/the-lieberman-veep-myth/comment-page-1/#comment-41313 Oliver Willis Wed, 09 Aug 2006 21:14:30 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=2491#comment-41313 I think the votes in question were for George Bush and Al Gore, respectively. I think the votes in question were for George Bush and Al Gore, respectively.

]]> By: Dugger http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/08/09/the-lieberman-veep-myth/comment-page-1/#comment-41312 Dugger Wed, 09 Aug 2006 20:43:07 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=2491#comment-41312 "There has never been any such love or interest in Lieberman." Even though he got more popular votes ('love')as the VP candidate in 2000 than Cheney. I wonder who, then, exactly, is 'loved' and how you measure it. Or is the progressive definiton of 'love' similar to the definiton of 'lie' - a kind of make-it-up-as-you-go-along thing? “There has never been any such love or interest in Lieberman.”

Even though he got more popular votes (’love’)as the VP candidate in 2000 than Cheney. I wonder who, then, exactly, is ‘loved’ and how you measure it.

Or is the progressive definiton of ‘love’ similar to the definiton of ‘lie’ - a kind of make-it-up-as-you-go-along thing?

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