Which is a bad thing, is the point everyone else was making.

I would argue that the Israeli response so far IS proportional to Hezbollah’s attacks — it’s just that Israel has compressed about 20 years of Hezbollah attacks into a couple of weeks.

Finally, when Israel pulled out of Lebanon the last time, the UN set up camp on the border and said that it would secure it so both sides would be safe. Ever since then, there has been an unending stream of attacks from Lebanon by Hezbollah, several cross-border raids and kidnappings (one with the apparent assistance of UN officials, and a massive coverup of that assistance that extended right up to Kofi Annan and continues to this day), and by all accounts the importing of 13,000 rockets and missiles by Hezbollah into the areas supposedly “secured” by the UN.

Under the principles of the Geneva Conventions, combatants are to stay away from civilians as much as possible, and if they don’t and some are killed, it is NOT the responsibility of the attacker, but the ones who got too close to the civilians — in this case, Hezbollah.

You remember Hezbollah, right? They’re the group that, up until 9/11, had killed more Americans than any other terrorist group.

J.

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If this administration had spent as much time on actually evaluating the intelligence or planning for the peace (preferably both), as they did on trashing those who tried to stop this lunacy in the first place, Iraq may not be the disaster it is now and we could be actually spending more time tracking down the real enemy who killed 3000 Americans.

Absolutely, because if there’s one thing suicide bombers fear, its getting their feelings hurt.

Someone on TV said it best (it may have been O’Reilly, but I don’t recall), if the Arabs put down their weapons there would be peace tomorrow. If Israel put down its weapons, it would be destroyed.

If the peaceniks and international community spent a fraction of the energy they spend criticizing and condemning Israel’s every move criticizing the Arab suicide bombers and terrorists, there could have been peace decades ago.

Care to make a wager on that, Jay?

It’s sure to be money in your pocket since I’ve never served, right?

Go for it.

Let’s see the evidence.

Prove it.

So sayeth the man that says we should be sending troops to other countries all over the world to “kill terrorists” where not a single soldier will die.

Can I get a ticket to Oliver’s Fantasyland?

That would be you.

Hey, it worked for Reagan who more than any other President got us into this predicament we’re in now. It started when he negogiated behind Carter’s back to release the Iranian hostages, but only after the election. It continued when he sent marines into Beruit and let them get slaughtered and turned Lebanon over to Syria. Abandoning the Afghan freedom fighters after they kicked out the Russians, oh I could go on and on with the messes many of the same people in the current administration are supposed to now fix. Where the hell are those Reagan papers?

For an economist, Krugman is one of the few people with balls enough to call a con a con – and it is catching on.

No, the worst kind of people get Nobel Prizes in economics.

2.)In case some of our more war happy posters have forgotten, this is precisely the same bullshit that was shoveled some 24 years ago when Israel attacked Lebanon in 1982 to purportedly wipe out Palestinean strongholds and settle down with a pacified Lebanon. Didn’t work out, did it?

3.)If Iraq has established anything, it’s that air power is great for destroying infrastructure and terrible for taking out terrorists (even al Zarqawi couldn’t be taken out in a “precision” air strike without killing civilians). They result in significant civilian casualties and do more to turn public opinion against the attacker than the terrorists.

4.)As for the Wye River accords, they hardly called for Israel to “roll over.” In fact, the Wye River accords (Oslo) suffered from a number of serious problems, many of them deal breakers for the Palestineans. Naturally the MSM ignored any of the details and instead spun the story as major concessions by Israel, again skipping right over the fact that the Israelis are illegally occupying the West Bank and shouldn’t be there in the first place.

Riiight. And Paul Krugman is the crazy one for thinking that’s a bad idea.

Clearly only the worst kind of people get the Nobel Peace Prize.

I do too. Whom would that be?

There was no deflection whatsoever.

Let’s see — we’re discussing how the cons never seem to get it right and than you start in about the Nobel Peace Prize.

I’m sure there’s a link somewhere there.

One has to be nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize in order to win it.

Wow.

Lobotomies. Lots and lots of lobotomies.

Kind like how you can’t actually win a war on terror, since its a technique, not a country? Perpetual war for perpetual peace, anyone?

Oh and for the inevitible “Nuh uh!” from the right, let me save you some time and ask, how do you “win” the war on terror?