I know that you think you’re saying the U.S. is in Iraq to liberate its people, but once you remove the conservative BS, you just want to kill Muslims.

Wee, strawmanning’s fun!

JWG, you missed the point: to our liberal friends (you know: the oh-so-tolerant ones), Arabs don t really deserve freedom, Arabs really can t live without some strong dictator telling them what to do.

Are you really this stupid? You know good and well that that s not we re saying. We re saying that democracy can t be forced onto other countries via military action. And even if it could, we re doing a terrible job at it. Warping the opposition s arguement a valid point does not make. When you get a little older, you ll understand.

I know that isn’t what you think you are saying, but it really is what has been said, once the liberal bovine feces has been stripped away.

Here s some homework for you. Name ONE country that has a successful and stable democracy solely though outside military force.

Let’s try Japan, Italy, Germany, Nicaragua, Grenada, Panama, and the Philippines. I could even make the argument that Israel qualifies, although the outside military force was more of a conquering than occupying one.

You conceded on a couple of those already. You might have a point that we haven’t done quite as good a job as we might have in Iraq, but that doesn’t mean the war was the wrong thing to do.

The idea that we are going to go into a foreign country and set up a representative democracy without the extreme act of actually occupying that country a’la post-war japan is probably not realistic. The current situation is that we are doing things in half-measures again. And for good reason. The big concern is that we not be occupiers. As such, we can’t put a marine sniper team on every street corner, and start writing the law as we did in Japan.

But to assume that Iraq was just sitting around minding its own business is also ridiculous

I suspect that Iraq will end up with more of a theocracy than we like, but it will have to fit the Iraqi sensibility….and will also have to respect its neighbors and its people. If we can get that much out of it we will be doing well.

Ok, I’ll grant that I should have been clearer. Unlike Iraq, those countries were active instigators, and attacking them was an act of self defense. Also, I won’t be so fast to describe post-WWII Germany as a success story.

Maybe France?

That was more of putting an existing democracy back in power.

Spain

Explain.

Hypothetically, let’s assume that democracy CAN be successfully implemented by outside military forces, that doesn’t change the fact that the U.S. is doing a crap-tacular job at it. Nor does it change the fact that Dana “arguement” was complete garbage.

Are you really this stupid? You know good and well that that’s not we’re saying. We’re saying that democracy can’t be forced onto other countries via military action. And even if it could, we’re doing a terrible job at it. Warping the opposition’s arguement a valid point does not make. When you get a little older, you’ll understand.

Here’s some homework for you. Name ONE country that has a successful and stable democracy solely though outside military force.

I ll bet most Iraqis would welcome a return to the pre-Bushie organized terror

I’ll take that bet…show me some Iraqi polls to support your opinion.

As opposed to the genius that is the Rethuglican Party, I take it? How do you measure that keen intellect? With dead soldiers’ caskets, or with Iraqi civilian body counts? I don’t suppose you measure that governing acumen with our skyrocketing budget deficit, do you?

I’m no fan of the Dems, but it appears the right wing is overloaded with useless idiots. Useless except as cannon fodder, maybe.

But the Saddam government did terrorize the population& they just did it without killing themselves in the process. Are you only concerned about terrorism that involves suicide?

Is this what passes for logic in what you call a brain? If we’re comparing states of ‘terror,’ I’ll bet most Iraqis would welcome a return to the pre-Bushie organized terror; you know, the terror where they also had electricity and working plumbing most of the time, and there were no suicide bombers.

And leave it to the wing-nuts to pick out one statistic to tar the entire address with. Most of it is right on.

I am still waiting for a response to the comments made by Alex and I regarding Cynthia McKinney.

You claim that she is an embarrassment to the Democratic Party and Georgia.

Does it embarrass Democrats when she joins with fellow House members to vote against the Medicare Prescription Drug Bill boondogle? How about when she votes against the Patriot Act, elimination of the estate tax, the bankruptcy bill, votes for redeployment of our troops, or stands up against racial profiling?

While detached liberals drink latte’s and lament the state of affairs without getting involved to change anything, she has used her office to become a professional activist and organized thousands of voices for change.

People are listening to her. When she defends Arab Americans against racial profiling, they have deluged her with campaign contributions. She doesn’t seem to be an embarassment to them. Don’t believe me, read for yourself.

HON. CYNTHIA A. McKINNEY
OF GEORGIA
IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
Friday, October 11, 2002

Mrs. McKINNEY “Mr. Speaker, I was disturbed to read that two Sikh men were detained after a flight simply for using the bathroom. This is ethnic profiling of the worst kind and it must be stopped.

Apparently, what happened was that the two men, Gurdeep Wander and Harinder Pal Singh, were flying to Las Vegas for a convention and they missed their connection. They were a bit late the next morning so they ran onto the plane. Apparently, this made the flight crew suspicious.

Then Mr. Singh, Mr. Wander, and another man, who was Hispanic, used the same bathroom on the plane. When Mr. Singh, the last of the three, went to use it, the flight attendant tried to convince him that it was locked and unavailable. She claimed that she had read that people could make bombs in the bathrooms by bringing the parts on separately. I wonder if three white people using the bathroom in quick succession would have made her think the same thing.

After the plane made an emergency landing, the two Sikh men and an Egyptian man were detained on the plane while police dogs surrounded it and sniffed for weapons. Then the Sikh men were arrested for interfering with a flight crew.

Mr. Speaker, the Secretary of Transportation must take appropriate action against this airline and its discriminatory employees. This kind of racial profiling cannot be allowed. I call on the Secretary of Transportation to take appropriate steps to end this racist practice and to make sure that the victims of this incident are fully compensated. We must make it clear that we will not tolerate racial profiling.”

Oliver, I believe that you are a stand-up guy a and very, very talented brother. You are “good people” as we say. On this matter however, you are dead wrong and you know so.

BTW, this further demonstates the inaccuracy of the statement about the  presence of foreign combat troops being 100% linked to suicide attacks.

Well, yes and no. The Tamils are an insurgent group seeking autonomy. To the Sri Lankan government, they’re rebels, but the Tamils see themselves as occupied by outsiders.

but the Tamils see themselves as occupied by outsiders

So any country’s military force will always be a “foreign occupying force” to a group of ethnic insurgents seeking autonomy within the country?

She’s one our most favorite useful idiots!

It is an unconscionable insult to her hundreds of campaign contributors and workers. Former Atlanta Mayor, Congressman, and U.S. Ambassador to the Untited Nations Andrew Young contributed to her campaign in 2004. Is he an Anti-Semite too? A trusted lieutenent of Dr. King, Young risked his life many times to provide you a platform to call him an anti-semite. Lt. Governor Mark Taylor didn’t think Ambassador Young was an anti-semite because he featured Ambassador Young in his TV advertising in his run for Governor.

Was Mrs. Coretta Scott King an anti-semite? She gave Cynthia $600.00 in 2004. As I stood with thousands to pass by her casket to honor her memory, I didn’t go to honor an anti-semite but a woman of courage and conviction. She opposed war, racism, prejudice and bigotry of any kind against anyone.

Is Danny Glover an anti-semite? He gave Cynthia over $4,000 dollars in 2004. He is known world-wide as a human rights activist more than as an actor. I’ve personally never known any actor who harbored anti-semetic views to be able to work in Hollywood.

Is the pollster John Zogby an anti-semite? He gave Cynthia a $1000.00 in 2004. What you imply is that the hundreds of Arab-Americans on her contributor lists are also Anti-Semetic.

Finally, are Taro Gold, Bruce Katz, Andrew Silver, or Daniel Lobnitz anti-semites? I doubt it because they are most likely Jewish according to their surnames. They have all contributed to Cynthia’s campaigns.

Brother Alex, thanks a million for your comments here on this topic. Your arguments are excellent.

Mrs McKinney is a godsend to the GOP. We know that whomever is elected to represent that district is going to be to the far left end of the political spectrum, so, since we are never going to get the votes of that representative, might as well have one who’s as obviously nuts as Mrs McKinney!

obvious fact: suicide bombing just did not occur in Iraq prior to the Bushie invasion/occupation

But the Saddam government did terrorize the population…they just did it without killing themselves in the process. Are you only concerned about terrorism that involves suicide?