Do any of you actually have a valid point?

OOOh..only 3% is private? Maybe that needs to change if the research is so valid?

I have had grants for my research, I have written and used them. They work. But if embryonic stem cells are going to be such a big deal, why don’t we see people investing in their research like we did with other biotech?

To Pedro: For a supposed “Dr.,” you have a profoundly incorrect, if not ignorant, view of how biomedical research is done in this country.

Do you know what’s absolutely disingenous, Pedro, about your argument? Non-Academic, Non-Profit sources account for about 3% of total U.S. R&D, yet you boast that researchers could run right out to their local philanthropist, and fund their labs!! Problem solved!

The below links are for people that actually want to learn a bit about this issue, and probably won’t benefit the Bush Butt-Humping Crowd:

http://www.rdmag.com/default.aspx

(The archives of R&D magazine make for some interesting reading.)

For the big picture on *federal* funding of R&D, go here:

http://www.nsf.gov/statistics/infbrief/nsf06300/

JK

He’s yappin that OW should go to Soros and “apply for a grant,” and then points to a press release on a $10M “gift” to Irvine, as “evidence” that it “can happen.”

Hey..cupcake…do a Google on “Gift vs. Grant.”

LOL. Good stuff.

JK

You were glad the sate came through? The state? Could you explain this nonsesense then:

“Tell you what OW& .you matriculate in a nice molecular biology Phd, and then apply to George Soros for a big,fat research grant. Soros, by himself, could fund a tremendous lab just for embryonic stem cell research and be a big hero!”

Keep dancing pedro, keep dancing.

You know paul, you screech that the consitution is being befouled everytime the president uses his constitutional authority. Do you believe in the constitution or not?

The president has the right to veto. The president isn’t elected by popular vote. It’s just the way it is.

You don’t like it?

I hear the “Saskatchewan Plains Reader” is looking for someone to do movies reviews of the 14 Beta tapes they have at the local Quick-E-Mart…why not scurry on up their and get a visa…..

but what difference does it matter whether the research money comes from the feds or from the states? My point is that I am glad that the state came through with some sheckels for the research, since it appears that the feds won’t. You seem to think it is some sort of a crime?

Pedro, it passed both the House and the Senate. Is that not enough representative democracy for you?

Oh and once again, nice out. Whenever you get backed into a corner by your idiocy it’s always “liberals love terrorists” exit stage right. What a clown.

America is going to be a much better place the day the liberals have as much respect for their fellow citizens opinions as they do for say, the muslims in the middle east, or terrorists anywhere….

As he promised he would do, President Bush vetoed a bill that would have lifted restrictions on federally funded human embryonic stem cell research: “This bill would support the taking of innocent human life in the hope of finding medical……

State money isn’t federal is it Paulie?

A portion of the gift, $2 million, will be allocated to support the Stem Cell Research Center at UCI. The remaining $8 million is a pledge to match support for construction of a new facility for the center. The university plans to apply to the California Institute for Regenerative Medicine fora facilities grant to build the structure when funds from Proposition 71, which passed in 2004, become available.

Prop 71 creates a $3 billion fund in California to support research into stem cells. That’s government money being used to stimulate research. But not just research, also private investment in stem cell technology. Do you think that Gross would have donated the $8 million if it was just his money alone? $8 million does not a medical facility build. I’ll bet dollars to donuts that the gift was prompted, in part, because Gross knew his money would be matched by state funds. That’s the value of federal funding of scientific research. It encourages more private contributions in addition to advancing research directly.

“Now if you want to try to explain why it s morally okay to spend STATE money on stem cell research but immoral to spend federal money, well, have at it.”

Sounds crazy you say? Can never happen…?

Uh, not exactly….

http://foundationcenter.org/pnd/news/story.jhtml;jsessionid=XIVDWHLW40C3DTQRSI4CGXD5AAAACI2F?id=150200016

Typical neocon response, blame liberals when dear leader does something stupid, unpopular or that they don t agree with.

Huh? Who blamed liberals for anything? I was just commenting on their penchant for thinking that unless the feds are handing out checks, doom and gloom is on the horizon. Oliver says the following:

We must have a government that respects the will of the people and infuses scientist with the funds they need to save human lives.

If he’s so concerned about saving lives, why doesn’t he and everybody else in here so concerned about it, get off their asses and look for ways to raise more money in the private sector for this research? That won’t happen. Why? Because it’s easier to hope that Uncle Sam will suck it out of the paychecks of everybody so they can sit back and congratulate themselves on how wonderful they are because of the position they have on the issue. Or in the case of a veto, lament how much Bush embraces “the culture of ignorance and death.” You see, Oliver cares. He must care. He supports that expansion of federal funding. Those opposed just want to see people suffer and die. They must. Because they’re opposed to the expanded federal funding.

J.