Of course, in 2006 you can say the candidates didn’t campaign well, and in 2008, it was the wron candidate, and there was a “fix in” someplace.

But the Democratics will lose both times.

It’s the basic $64K question: Are they just tremendous liars or are they truly that incompetent as leaders?

President Bush has said Iraq has weapons of mass destruction; Tony Blair has said Iraq has weapons of mass destruction; Donald Rumsfeld has said Iraq has weapons of mass destruction; Richard Butler has said they do; the United Nations has said they do; the experts have said they do. Iraq says they don’t. You can choose who you want to believe.
Ari Fleischer
White House Press Briefing
December 5, 2002

Those protest were generated by forces that just don t exist, anymore, just like they were able to affect opinion in ways that don t exist anymore.

Forces aren’t there? So by your own logic the protesters at abortion clinics should also stop because they haven’t affected public opinion either.

Seventy-seven percent of respondents said abortion should either be generally available, or available but with stricter limits than now. Just 22 percent said abortion should not be permitted.

I was not speaking generically of all demonstrations. I was speaking of anti – war demonstrations.

And I didn’t say that demonstrations don’t affet people, and I certainly didn’t say that people should only demonstrate when popular opinion is already on their side. Why demonstrate, if people are already on your side?

I said “they {the anti -demonstrations of the 60′s – 70′s} were able to affect opinion in ways that don t exist anymore {now, in 2006} .”

OK?

This discussion started with your post telling us liberal bloggers to stop posting and start working if we want to make a change in the government. So you were dissing some the same people and organizations that you say you work with.

Son get your stories straight.

My only real beef with you, but seriously you are a young man and you need to get the weight off if you want to live past 40, is that you chided me about protest and promised you would write a lengthly post about why demonstrations don’t work.

Which you have never written.

those people had no way to leave

Filthy Liar

savefarris: those people had no way to leave, and you know that.

If you had attended Yearly Kos you could have gone to any number of workshops on how to run a grass roots campaign, that is boots on the ground, knocking on doors, talking to neighbors, electing progressives to the school board or city councils.

You would have heard about organizations that are incubators for the progressive candidates for 2010 -12 – 20.

Sessions on how to get positive stories in local papers and media.

If you think the blogs are just liberal keyboarders then your knowledge of the blogosphere is right up there with Stephens’.

Here is why demonstrations work. They allow people of like minds to see others who think the way they do with the courage to speak out in public. It emboldens others to participate. Yes there is always some blowback but that is to be expected.

Your suggestion that we frame the question about Bush trashing our constitution in a way that voters will understand is valid. So what ya been doin for the past 5 years?

No single action or approach will win the day. Re framing a story, people in the streets, building a 50 state strategy, boots in the local races are all good tools. Saying my way is the only way is naive, at best, or more likely imperious.

Telling people we are wasting our time because we choose to blog instead of watching reruns is repugnant.

Can’t we all just get along?

The ideal response to a natural disaster for the right was Katrina.

Wrong again. The ideal “response” to a natural disaster for the Right occured during Rita.

People had the foresight 96 hours before the storm hit to say “Get the hell out!” instead of waiting until 18 hours before landfall.