Estonia?

I don’t see a connection between standard of living and birth rate.

Beside, the number of live births has nothing to do with the number of abortions; any more than a large number of cars on the road is proof that there are less car accidents.

216
Latvia 1.27 2006 est.
217
Poland 1.25 2006 est.
218
Slovenia 1.25 2006 est.
219
Northern Mariana Islands 1.24 2006 est.
220
Bosnia and Herzegovina 1.22 2006 est.
221
Czech Republic 1.21 2006 est.
222
Lithuania 1.20 2006 est.
223
Ukraine 1.17 2006 est.
224
Singapore 1.06 2006 est.
225
Macau 1.02 2006 est.
226
Hong Kong

As far as having three abortions though
Don’t you think she practiced birth control? Of course she did..

And, don’t you think that there are women out there who have had abortions for the same “reason”?

The point is, that “abortion on demand” means just that…

Not emergency, not after careful consideration, not after consultation with another person, just “on demand.”

Where’s the abortion center?
Two blocks down.

That’s all it takes.

If Hill had caught Dr. Britton in the act of commencing an abortion (which is, after all a lethal assault on a human being-I am one of those who draws no moral distinction between the born and the unborn), then he would have been correct in interposing his body between Dr. Britton and the unborn, and if necessary defending the unborn with the use of lethal force if Britton was determined to proceed with his assault.

He sees the abortion as an assault on the fetus, which he sees as a sentient thing that

Do you believe that conversation took place?

Well in truth, yes I can see that being the case. If she cannot properly provide the kind of life for the child that it would deserve, then frankly in the best interest of the child it would be best if she not care for it. Adoption is an option, yes, and frankly one I wish were considered more (not simply in the case of potential mothers choosing it over abortion, but also of people who loudly oppose abortion adopting more children, making it a more appealing option) but this woman realizes that if she were to give birth to it, that in spite of the best interests of the child, she would end up keeping it because of her emotional attachment. I see nothing inherently wrong with her arguement.
As far as having three abortions though… well yeah, okay, thats the point where I say she seriously needs to re-evaluate what the hell she’s doing there. I mean does she just not know where to find condoms or something?

You never said it was 40 year ago. For all I know, it could have been said last week.

Poor people shouldn t have babies they can t afford. But, if they think they re going to have financial difficulties, that s still no excuse to terminate a pregnancy.

…They aren’t having sex to have babies. This situation could be better avoided, however, if poor people had better access to contraception.

Do you believe that conversation took place?

 X was me&

Personal antecdotes, a factual arguement does not make. I have a story about how a friend of mine was hassled by a police officer for no good reason. That doesn’t mean that all officers are sleazeballs.

How about this converstaion:
X: I still don’t understand why a woman would want to have an abortion. Can’t you have the baby and give it away?
She: I’m not going to carry a baby for nine months, and then give it away… If I carry it that long, I’m going to want to keep it.
X: So it’s better to have an abortion that wrestle with the feeling that you want the baby?
She: Yeah
X: So how many abortions have you had?
She: Three

Do you believe that conversation took place?

“X” was me…

Zython, I realize it’s late, and everything, but you’re really getting slow:

I can t get pregnant, I m an Airline Stewardess, and I ll lose my job
Solution: Maternity leave.

40 years ago, there was hardly any maternity leave, if at all.

I can t get pregnant, we can t afford it.
Translation: Poor people shoudn t be allowed to have sex.

Poor people shouldn’t have babies they can’t afford. But, if they think they’re going to have financial difficulties, that’s still no excuse to terminate a pregnancy.

Just like Coulter’s recent remarks about fisting and Farris’ obsession with allowing women the right to choose, Righties can’t stand the fact that they can’t come into your bedrooms and doctor clinics and dictate how you should conduct yourself. Always sticking their noses where they don’t belong — just like in Iraq. Conservatives are the world’s most effective and annoying busybodies.

And, Buffett didn’t make billions by being an idiot. I’m sure he knows what he’s doing. Would you rather he built a 500 foot high pyramid as a monument to his life?

Solution: Maternity leave.

I can t get pregnant, we can t afford it.

Translation: Poor people shoudn’t be allowed to have sex.

There are any number of women  who did it, realized after how horrible it was, and then publically renounced her own actions. For example, the original Ms. Roe.

I don’t care if they have regrets, it doesn’t give them the “right” to control other people’s bodies. What’s right for one person isn’t right for everyone.

Oliver, I believe that the mere fact that the thread has degenerated so rapidly from the subject of your original post has inadverently proven your point.

What point would that be? I’m honestly wondering.

When someone writes a book about what he has observed, I suppose it’s always up to you to believe or not to believe.

Thanks for the correction. The Dirty Dozen is probably my favorite novel and movie. Hence, the confusion.

I kid people (rather harshly, I admit) for making spelling mistakes. I don’t think I’ve ever called you an idiot. Seriously, I apologize. (Unless you made a spelling error when you were insulting me)

If you want to read it, see here:

http://tinyurl.com/jurdw

I kid people (rather harshly, I admit) for making spelling mistakes. I don t think I ve ever called you an idiot. Seriously, I apologize. (Unless you made a spelling error when you were insulting me)

Hm, well is was in the Leiberman thread where I asked you if there was anyone “reaining” who you hadnt called stupid, and you said that meant I was none too bright or something, so I suppose fair enough there.
Also, yes I am aware that “Jane Roe” has in fact renounced her previous position on abortion many years after the trial. I was referring though specifically to the “let me kill this fetus so I can fit in my two piece” women you got this started on.
And yes, I realize it is an issue of trust on something like that if he cannot back up his claim that he observed women getting abortions for that, and I’m sure we at least agree here, abominable reason. However, I would at least hope that you can see why I would hesitate to trust the words of someone who has said publically that it is allowable to kill doctors who perform abortions.

what the flying fornication is  abortion on demand supposed to even mean?

Well, for starters, how about, at the bare minimum, a 24 hour waiting period? You have to wait 5 days to buy a gun, can’t you at least wait that long before undergoing what even you yourself describe as “costly and painful surgery with serious moral implications“?

It’s MEN who are always trying to get control of the vagina…..

Although control of the vagina would have prevented the problem of unwanted pregnancy in the first place….

ahh…never mind…

Actually, no. Rather than simply believing me, walk in to a nearby hospital, and tell them, “I’ve been getting pains in my chest, shortness of breath, and tingling in my left arm. I think I need open heart surgery. What say you set meup for tomorrow afternoon?” You’ll make it to Psych quicker than Surgery.

Where did the “vacationing Mommy” come from? E. M. Nathanson, author of Aborting America, a doctor who had performed hundreds, if not thousands of abortions was a co – founder of the organization that would become NARAL*. What turned him against abortion? Once it was legalized in New York — a while before Roe v Wade — he learned two things that repulsed him: 1) Women were not engaging in heartwrenching, even thoughtful decisions concerning abortion. They were basing their decisions on things like, “I can’t get pregnant, I’m going to Bermuda in two months”; I can’t get pregnant, I’m an Airline Stewardess, and I’ll lose my job”; or, “I can’t get pregnant, we can’t afford it.’ No “gutwrenching”,no “life or death,” just simple instant gratification.
And the second thing? The abortion mills that sprung up after legalization were horrible. He had been to Mexico, and Puerto Rico to see abortion clinics, where women had gone, pretending to “visit their aunts”, in order to have abortions. These places were clean, neat, sanitary, and nary a coat hanger in sight. The mills in New York, on the other hand, were unsanitary, and worse, uncaring.

* No euphemism there, eh? They want Abortion Rights, not “choice.” Everyone who goes to the A & P has “choice.”