Conservatives are publishing the home addresses of New York Times editors and writers and encouraging that they and their children be stalked and harrased.
Cons always have to go too far. They have to take it to an extreme. And somebody is going to get hurt, and its going to be on their heads.
Fair’s fair…
They published pictures and addresses of Rumsfeld’s and Cheney’s private homes, with addresses
Really!
Yeah, previously available public information about elected and appointed senior government officials.
Oliver, you’re too much! Have you ever seen their homes? Did you know their addresses? Did you ever see their security system?
Oops, that’s “unleashed.”
Frank, you are the fertile soil upon which the Cons’ excrement finds a happy home.
As a reply to your lame attempt at setting up an equivalency, tell me this, and don’t equivocate: Does the federal government provide round-the-clock security for Donald Rumsfeld and Dick Cheney? Does the federal gov’t provide the same for the editors and writers of the NYT? Don’t avoid the question, just admit that you’re an ass for even trying that one (but then, that’s par for the course for you).
JayTea, since you’re playing Frank’s game, too, I’ll remind you that there is a chronology to this issue. Malkin did it first, and a sh-tload of her wingnut peers defended her. The very Indymedia piece to which you link is clearly set up as a response, sort of a tit-for-tat bit of belligerence. Whether one agrees with it or not is another story, but let’s be clear about who started it. If you have evidence that this tactic was originated by “the left,” why don’t you share that evidence with us?
Anyway, your tacit approval of ’stalking and harassment’ of NYT employees “at…their workplace (or other places their duties take them) shows your true stripes. You can’t get of your comment without tripping over your own hypocrisy: “blah, blah, blah…heinous and reprehensible once it s used against someone they DON T loathe.”
As I recall, the NYT wasn’t involved in this home-address-printing fracas. They were just fulfilling (for a change) the duties of the Fourth Estate. The Times did nothing illegal, they merely called attention to the possible Bush administration abuses of a program that is so ’secret’ it has a publicly accessible website, and a magazine. (See this bit of lunacy deconstructed here.) But the real sin, of course, is questioning Dear Leader in a time where more and more U.S. citizens are seeing the true quality of his ‘new clothes.’ For that, the Times (in spite of all their past service to the Bush administration) must be punished.
I disagree with OW. To say that you a–holes have become “unhinged” implies that you were ever connected to something solid. I think he must keep you lackwits around for dependable amusement.
Hmm… were you so bent out of shape when folks on your end of the spectrum did the exact same thing to several right-wing bloggers? I call your attention to this piece from Indymedia:
http://publish.indymedia.org/en/2006/04/837696.shtml
Also, when Michelle Malkin reprinted contact information from a press release from an anti-war group (phone numbers only), folks thought it only fitting to find her address and phone number and plaster it all over the internet.
For the record: no, I don’t condone the stalking and harassment of the New York Times management at any place besides their workplace (or other places their duties take them). But considering that this tactic has been used by the Left for some time, it comes as no surprise that a few fringe elements on the Right might decide to give it a whirl. And even less of a surprise that it should suddenly come to so many’s attention as heinous and reprehensible once it’s used against someone they DON’T loathe.
J.
“For the record: no, I don t condone the stalking and harassment of the New York Times management at any place besides their workplace”
Of course, he’s fine with stalking and harassment AT their workplace. I think I figured out why cons don’t like the Times, all the big words confuse them.
Seems like Cheney’s house isn’t much of a secret!
1/2/06 Right on the Water
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/01/02/AR2006010200280.html
1/6/06 Love thy Neighbor? Not if its Cheney
http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/380598p-323013c.html
12/19/05 Hawks seek Peace at Pricey Retreats
http://www.heraldtribune.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051219/NEWS/512190596/1060/INDEX01
12/19/05 Two Hawks a Nesting
http://www.iht.com/articles/2005/12/18/news/letter.php
God damn cons are stupid. But of course if you accept information uncritically from the likes of Michelle Malkin, you are willfully ignorant.
OMG, the NY Times printed that the President lives at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue NW in Washington DC! Why do they hate America!
(What will they say if they find that Cheney lives at the Naval Observatory!)
So, since Michelle Malkin and most bloggers, including Kevin Aylward, post from home, it is appropriate then to “harass and stalk” them at the “scene of the crime”, whether it be St. Michaels, Maryland, or even Potomac Falls, Virginia?
Be consistent, J.
So what kind of “harassment and stalking” is fitting in this case?
fact:
Yes, I think trying to hold them accountable at “the scene of the crime,” where they are continuing to rationalize their reprehensible deeds (and, presumably, contemplating further egregious offenses), is entirely fitting. We have not merely a duty, but an onus to “speak truth to power” and tell them — in the proper time, place, and manner — in absolutely no uncertain terms just how heinous their actions are, and how aggrieved we, as a populace, have been made as a consequence.
(Enough big words for you there, fact?)
Alex, lemme see if I recall the Malkin dustup with the Students Against The War from UC-Santa Cruz:
SAW: “This is what we’re doing, here’s how to contact us: (names and numbers)
MM: “This is what SAW is doing, here’s how they say to contact them: (names and numbers)”
SAW: (Removing numbers from published press release)”Help! Help! We’re being oppressed! Come and see the violence inherent in the system!”
J.
http://www.users.cloud9.net/~bradmcc/clinton_2.html
Ok, Bushbots, since you are outraged about the disclosure of the address Cheney and Rumsfeld estates, can you now address your ire on the proprietor of the web site above.
I mean, what does he WANT al-Queda to win? What if al-Queda stakes out the grocery store?
and its going to be on their heads.
Do you ever expect them to take responsibility for anything?
Oliver, you re too much! Have you ever seen their homes? Did you know their addresses? Did you ever see their security system?
The Times did the same thing to the Clintons.
http://www.zillow.com/search/Search.htm?mode=search&zpid=33065659
OMG this is HUGH! The leftist web site zillow.com IS PUBLISHING A SATELLITE photo of the Clinton home!!!! And it even TELLS WHAT THEY PAID FOR IT! And the square footage of the house! Why doesn’t zillow just strap the bomb on the terrorist for all the classified info they are given out?????
Why does Zillow hate America!!!!!
I think he is engaging in satire, frame.
I certainly hope so, anyway.
Do you want your kid growing up dead and speaking Iraqi
?!
“Do you want your kid growing up dead and speaking Iraqi because a robed idiot thinks the constitution is a suicide pact?”
How’s that lobotomy working out for you Boronx?
And mentioning that a bus stop is close by! This traitor is giving the car-less terrorist DETAILED instructions on how to wage JIHAD against the Clintons!
Why does Oliver’s site have so many wingnut trolls?
It’s out of control.
If the Times is free to point out that Bush is breaking the law, then some liberal judge might tell him to stop.
Do you want your kid growing up dead and speaking Iraqi because a robed idiot thinks the constitution is a suicide pact?
AlexCorrigan: You’re a foulmouthed fool.
(Bet you thought I was going to dignify your profanity- and obscenity- filled screed with a real response).
You know, Mr Willis, you’re absolutely right that the blogger (had to go through about three layers) who put that up went way too far. But, by the same token, we ought to see just as much condemnation of the publication of the private vacation home addresses and frequent shopping patterns for Vice President Cheney and Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld.
Why don’t we?
Do you want your kid growing up dead and speaking Iraqi
Funniest. Post. Ever.
“Ack! Zombies!”
————Groundskeeper Willie (The Simpsons, Treehouse of Horror III)
Uhh, IanY, Malkin, Horowitz, Redstate, Newsmax, Patterico and Powerline aren’t posting names and addresses or suggesting anybody harass and stalk their children either.
It’s another case of phony outrage and it’s frigging lame.
Typical Oliver. He finds links to two conservative bloggers that nobody has ever heard of any applies it to ALL conservatives.
Yet when he has a Michael Moore quote or Randi Rhodes he starts squealing how they’re not representative of all liberals.
But freaking Joe Schmoe blogger is representative of all conservatives.
You guys shouldn’t even attempt to rationalize such childish nonsense.
OK, Frank and J, to make sure I got this right:
The Times printed the locations of the homes (and some personal details) of Rummy and Cheney as part of some eeeeevil liberal agenda.
OK, pretend I buy that for a second. Let me ask you, when the times printed the “Ex-President next door” article in 2003:
http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F70814F63F5D0C7B8CDDAF0894DB404482&n=Top/Reference/Times Topics/People/C/Clinton, Hillary Rodham
(sorry, no HTML skills. Just copy and paste, you lazy asses) which details where Bill lives, jogs, eats, and golfs, they did so in the pursuit of what agenda, exactly? I await your principles outrage.
(with thanks to Glen Greenwald for the find)
Uh Jay C, that was just a sampling. Obscure nobodies like Malkin, Horowitz, RedState, Newsmax, Patterico, and Shrieky McAssrocket have been all over this. Moore and Rhodes don’t represent us as a whole. Malkin, Powerline, and RedState are three of the biggest righty blogs on the net.
First of all, if the terrorists wanted to find out where the private home of most high profile politicians, all they have to do is watch CNN, MSNBC, Fox, whatever. How many hours did CNN spend talking about the Clinton’s home in NY?
I can’t believe you guys really have your panties in a wad over this? To be outraged over coverage of real estate that belongs to public figures, including democrats, sounds almost as phony as Rep. Peter King and others wanting the NYT reporters to be prosecuted for treason.
Oh for god’s sake! Nutjobs on both sides of the aisle do this kind of garbage. For anyone to say that it’s just right-wing quacks that pull stuff like this has either been living in a cave, is a moron, or is an intellectually dishonest liar.
They both do it. And both sides are wrong for doing so. Plain and simple.
Factcheck, if you can’t see this then you’re hopelessly blind with partisanship, so much so that you don’t have the ability to be objective.
Hold people to the same standards, or lose your credibility in this debate.
Clinton isn’t in office. Besides, the jihadis would never kill a Clinton or a Kennedy. It might get the liberals mad at them, and then they’d get involved in the war on terror.
Frank, if you haven’t seen where all of the “outrage” is coming from, you might want to before you get sucked into this phony horeshit. The article they are apparently talking about is in the Travel Section of the NYT. This story is almost as comical as Las Vegas Bill Bennett on Meet the Press today over the NYT story about the banking surveillance program. The other guests were apparently trying to calm him down but to no avail. I’m wouldn’t be the least suprised if he didn’t wet his pants, he was so upset.
Hmm& were you so bent out of shape when folks on your end of the spectrum did the exact same thing to several right-wing bloggers?
Jay ID Tea once again exhibits his ignorance with a pride that is all-consuming. And he fails to note some very good satire poked at the right.
Let’s take InstaCracker’s address, for instance. InstaCracker makes no secret of the fact he’s a prof at U of Tennessee, Knoxville. But apparently, InstaCracker’s home address is an auto repair garage in Nashville.
Jeffy ‘Chickenhawk’ Goldstein? Apparently, he lives at a radiator repair shop in Montana.
The Doughy Pantload Jonah Goldberg lives at a used car lot in Georgia.
The list goes on…all these rightwing kooks apparently live at auto parts and quick lube shops.
Only Jay ID Tea can do this kind of research.
Uhh, IanY, Malkin, Horowitz, Redstate, Newsmax, Patterico and Powerline aren t posting names and addresses or suggesting anybody harass and stalk their children either.
Baloney, Jay Caruso.
When you accuse the NY Times of treason and cooperation with the enemy and of ‘retaliation’ against AWOL George & crew–it should really come as no surprise when some rightwinger gets the bright idea it might be a neat idea to post names and addresses for the purpose of intimidation and harrassment.
When some nutjob shoots a doctor or bombs a clinic–don’t you think it has to do with the rightwing portraying these health providers as ‘murderers’ and ‘killers?’
the jihadis would never kill a Clinton or a Kennedy
Now who’s mind-reading the conspiracy theories?
“September the 11th” (as Bush is wont to describe it) was an attack–an indescriminate attack–on America and Americans. If you and I can agree on that, there just might be some hope for this country after all…
F M: We cerainly don’t disagree on who was attacked. But we might disagree on who wants to fight back.
So the supporters of dear leader feel that liberals and democrats are at “war with America”‘ And as they put it:
So, according to these people
Al Gore, Jimmy Carter, democrats and other “liberals” are responsible for the mess Bush has made of Iraq.
Al Gore, Jimmy Carter, democrats and other “liberals” are the reason we haven’t caught OBL and Afghanistan is now in trouble.Al Gore, Jimmy Carter, democrats and other “liberals” are the reason the SC ruled against this administration in their handling of detainees in Guantanamo down the crapper
Whew, glad we cleared that up.
…well, we were doing fine “fighting back” until that little side-trip to mop-up the already beaten tyrant who was already contained in crazy-town Baghdad based on an imaginary foreign policy.
Bush said, “Imagine those 19 hijackers with other weapons and other plans — this time armed by Saddam Hussein. It would take one vial, one canister, one crate slipped into this country to bring a day of horror like none we have ever known.”
To me, I inferred that it was George W Bush doing the terrorism that day.
George W Bush and his administration was mistaken toinvade and occupy Saddam Hussein’s Iraq: no WMD, no alliance with Al Qaeda, certainly not a threat because we beat him in three weeks….
As famous “sea lawyer” Richard Henry Dana wrote: “He has great cares and responsibilities; is answerable for everything; and is subject to emergencies which perhaps no other man exercising authority among civilized people is subject to. Let him, then, have powers commensurate with his utmost possible need; only let him be held strictly responsible for the exercise of them. Any other course would be injustice, as well as bad policy.”
Just a note to our humble host: whatever presentation changes you’ve made to the site, it’s a lot easier to read in the past couple of days.
So because you don’t like his strategy, you’re not going to back him. Isn’t that what I said — you’re not backing him!
Hey Frank,
Earlier today in In Which The Constitution Responds To AG Alberto Gonzales
That’s pretty far in the distant comments past so I wanted to point out that apparently you have no idea what the Eleventh Amendment means. Like no idea whatsoever. This is not surprising since you show no knowledge of Amendments 1-10 either, nor the Constitution for that matter.
We are all relieved you know how to open a box of depends.
You’re a persistent ignoramus, aren’t you?
If indeed you are right, where is your proof?
From the Gale Legal Encyclopedia, here’s mine:
The Eleventh Amendment to the U.S. Constitution reads:
The Judicial power of the United States shall not be construed to extend to any suit in law or equity, commenced or prosecuted against one of the United States by Citizens of another State, or by Citizens or Subjects of any Foreign State.
The text of the Eleventh Amendment limits the power of federal courts to hear lawsuits against state governments brought by the citizens of another state or the citizens of a foreign country. The Supreme Court has also interpreted the Eleventh Amendment to bar federal courts from hearing lawsuits instituted by citizens of the state being sued, and lawsuits initiated by the governments of foreign countries. For example, the state of New York could invoke the Eleventh Amendment to protect itself from being sued in federal court by its own residents, residents of another state, residents of a foreign country, or the government of a foreign country.
I’m no Constitutional scholar, but it would seem that I am correct, and you are not.
Your closing remark provides me with evidence that you are perhaps more ill – mannered than you are ignorant, if that is possible.
If you think that being my age is all that unpleasant, then pray with me that you never reach it.
Your closing remark provides me with evidence that you are perhaps more ill-mannered than you are ignorant, if that is possible.
Not just possible, but likely, especially since as I showed, I pwned j00! ROTFL. U r teh sux0r.
If you think that being my age is all that unpleasant, then pray with me that you never reach it.
Yes, well with the leaders you fellate, there is a good chance that none of will be around that much longer whether we pray to some mythical “god” beast or not.
against one of the United States…The text of the Eleventh Amendment limits the power of federal courts to hear lawsuits against state governments
I mean Frank there’s ignorance, willful suspension of disbelief, and then there is just deep abject love of being fucked in the ass by Cheney. Which is it for you?
“If you think that being my age is all that unpleasant, then pray with me that you never reach it.”
Now you’re responding with death wishes? Nice Frank.
Thank you for calling me nice. The death wish was, after all, contingent
Incidentally, I was asking him to pray for he seemed to want. Apparently, he doesn’t believe in praying.
He did mention something about blowing Cheney. I hope he doesn’t get caught. Lynne will kick his ass.
F M: Simple question — do you support the President in his attempt to kill Islamic terrorists, YES or NO?
F M: Simple question do you support the President in his attempt to kill Islamic terrorists, YES or NO?
I’ll answer that without reservation: NO.
Here’s why: the Bush administration’s “attempt to kill Islamic terrorists” (as if no other terrorists have killed U.S. citizens in the past few decades) has resulted in hundreds– perhaps thousands of innocent people being locked away, tortured, and sometimes brutally murdered without any due process. In case you pissant cowards have forgotten, giving all suspected criminals due process is what is supposed to set the U.S. apart from other nations (”innocent until proven guilty”). But I see how it works; a couple of buildings get knocked down, a few thousand of our citizens get killed, and you all wet your pants and beg the fake-ass cowboy to save you at any cost (any cost to the brown people, at least).
Bush’s “attempt to kill Islamic terrorists” has been used as an excuse to illegally invade and occupy another sovereign state; to subject it’s citizens to murder, rape, illegal imprisonment; and to reduce it to third-world living conditions (that last part was begun by Bush I and continued by Clinton, but the current administration has gone over the edge with it).
Finally, the Bushies’ “attempt to kill Islamic terrorists” (except the ones who allegedly attacked us, because they killed themselves) has resulted in them tossing the Constitution into the trash compactor. All of you who support this continuing travesty are cowards, plain and simple. There’s more than a few idiots among your ranks, too.
Good for you, Corrigan. Next time I want your opinion, I’ll look on a bathroom wall.
Simple question for frank: Do you think the president is above the law?
Actually Frank doesn’t. He considers Bush to be a heretical liberal Methodist who believes such blaspheous notions such as that one can actually have a relationship with Jesus Christ without the need of a priest.
So guys, are you saying that we should be doing everything in our power to capture and kill Osama Bin Laden?
Cause we ain’t…Too many assets in Iraq, don’t you know.
“F M: Simple question do you support the President in his attempt to kill Islamic terrorists, YES or NO?
I ll answer that without reservation: NO.”
Par for the course!
Dugger
I ll answer that without reservation: NO.
Par for the course!
Excellent job removing all context!
doug r: Truly meaning no offense, you have no idea what “we” are doing to capture OBL, and neither do I. When we do capture him, it may cripple the Jihadis, and certainly upset their morale, but the war won’t be over until they are as ineffective as skinheads, the KKK, or the right wing militias.
doug r
“So guys, are you saying that we should be doing everything in our power to capture and kill Osama Bin Laden?”
Actually no. It is in our power to nuke Pakistan and Afghanistan. But it would likely kill Osama – unless the NY Times informed him ahead of time.
Wake up and smell the coffee, son!
And hey Sundown, what context is it that you put with “without reservation.” thats add a reservation (or context)?
Dugger (the real Dugger)
If you actually justify or agree with the shit Malkin, Hinderaker and Horowitz are pulling, there’s something wrong with you. That simple.
If I understood what you said Mucker I think I might agree with it.
Dugger
Nimrod: Do you even realize that suggesting that people who disagree with you ideologically “have something wrong with them” is an old Stalinist trick that was totally discredited in the 50’s?
Talk about being on the wrong side of history.
Update:
http://glenngreenwald.blogspot.com/2006/07/what-is-left-of-malkin-hinderaker-and.html
The photographer reports that the “traitorous” pictures of the Rumsfeld estate?
They were taken with permission from—Donald Rumsfeld.
Dugger, JT, JC, you can post apologies below.
Hey factcheck.
Just wait by your monitor for my apology, bud. Just wait. Keep waiting.
Dugger, I Got Your Apology
…Frank_D asked me, “…do you support the President in his attempt to kill Islamic terrorists, YES or NO?”
Dugger’s right, my answer is no. Because you’re conflating two different behaviors.
Terrorists… yes, by all means except “mind reading” or “thought police”. Yes, kill people who terrorize others by killing and maiming random victims (of course, “dead men tell no tales” and we can no longer ask Timothy McVeigh any questions).
Islamists… NO. …freedom of religion and all that.
Do you even realize that suggesting that people who disagree with you ideologically have something wrong with them is an old Stalinist trick that was totally discredited in the 50 s?
Said the man who believe that liberals “support teh t3rristorz!!1!!11!”.
Just wait by your monitor for my apology, bud. Just wait. Keep waiting.
We forgive you.
Dugger
You DO realize that it displays your screenname right above your post. We can already tell that you are, in fact, “Dugger”.
Dugger (the real Dugger)
As opposed to the imaginary Dugger who can actually form a valid arguement without resorting to imitating the right wing punditry.
Good for you, Corrigan. Next time I want your opinion, I ll look on a bathroom wall.
Wow. How could ANYONE respond to such a well thought out, thorough, and witty rebuttle?
Sometimes, this is just too easy.
…well, then… it is a good day.
“Said the man who had nothing intelligent to say.”
ROFL
>>Besides, the jihadis would never kill a Clinton or a Kennedy. It might get the liberals mad at them, and then they d get involved in the war on terror.
Frank.
You’re not right in the head.
Did any liberals die on 9/11 Frank? Or was that just ocnservative blood that was spilled when those two planed hit the WTC?
Frank…keyboard commando. Real life pussy.
JK
zython,
Now that you have read my mind, I’m reading yours. Lets see. Yes. Yes. If I’m getting this right, you secretly admire Joe Stalin. Think Hitler was just a misunderstood paper hanger. And, well I’d better not go into your other personal -err- affairs.
Hey, that mind reading is great stuff. Funny how it lets you cheaply decide bad stuff about people.
And on the signature thing, thanks. Hope this fixes the problem.
Dugger
Dugger
Wow.
Gary Berntsen, a CIA veteran who headed a paramilitary team called “Jawbreaker” during the Afghan war, said in a book published last week that one of his Arabic-speaking operatives found a radio on a dead al-Qaeda fighter during the Tora Bora battle and heard the terrorist leader repeatedly try to rally his troops.
“After the Spectre [gunship aircraft] cleared the area, Bilal heard a voice he recognized from dozens of tape recordings,” Mr Berntsen wrote, using a pseudonym for an Arab-American former Marine who was part of the CIA team. “It was Osama bin Laden telling his troops to keep fighting.”
Later on the same captured radio, “Bilal” and a second CIA agent, another American of Middle Eastern origin, reported hearing Mr bin Laden apologising for getting his men trapped in the mountains and killed in large numbers by American bombing, Mr Berntsen wrote. The book, titled Jawbreaker, was heavily edited by CIA censors.
Mr Berntsen also wrote that on the recommendation of a former Special Forces officer who was part of his team as a CIA contractor, he made a formal request for 800 US army Rangers to be deployed along the Pakistani border to prevent Mr bin Laden`s escape, a request that was never granted.
http://www.paktribune.com/news/index.php?id=130338
Well, I heard about it during a briefing at Central Command [CENTCOM], which is located in Tampa, Fla., on the Afghanistan war. The briefing was very positive. Things were going well; victory appeared to be close at hand. Then I was told in a private meeting that no, that wasn’t the case; that in fact, we were beginning to recede from the war in Afghanistan precisely to get ready for Iraq.
Who told you?
Gen. Tommy Franks.
Take me into the meeting. What’s happening? …
The general said, “Senator, I would like to speak with you privately.” We went into his room, and he proceeded to tell me that they weren’t fighting a war in Afghanistan; that they were, in fact, beginning to redeploy assets. He particularly mentioned special operations personnel and the Predator unmanned aircraft as examples of assets that were being redeployed from Afghanistan to get ready for Iraq.
http://www.flworld.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/darkside/interviews/graham.html
>>Did any liberals die on 9/11 Frank?
>>I m assuming they did, but I m not getting a sense that the surviving liberals give much of a shit.
Frank. I honestly don’t care if you were a General, Admiral, or otherwise. You are not a man of honor.
In this very thread, you joked, suggessted, theorized and/or hypothesized that jihadist violence to a former Democratic/liberal U.S. President (Clinton) or public figure, (Kennedy), would be the only way to “wake liberals up” to the war on terror.
The act of terrorism against innocent people, does not discriminate between liberals and conservatives. It is an act that is extreme in its cowardice, in not wanting to face the “enemy”, with no rationale, reason, or justification. It is motivated, purely out of hate.
I think that 99.9% of liberals in this country would agree with my statement. Yet, if we don’t sign off on every single thing that our President, and his administration, has done in the prosectution of this war on terror, we are labeled as traitors, sympathizers, threatened, and marginalized by people of your ilk.
I will say it again, on this day before we as Americans, celebrate our independence, and our way of life:
For suggesting that violence to a liberal icon might solve your little problem with liberals, you are not, a man of honor.
I’d also offer that YOU, sir, are an absolute disgrace to whatever uniform it was that you wore.
JK
Did any liberals die on 9/11 Frank?
I’m assuming they did, but I’m not getting a sense that the surviving liberals give much of a shit.
What service were you in, punk?
JK… Real life asshole.
Makes sense, with bin Laden captured, support for removing Hussein would maybe disappear.
Kerry tried to tell America that bin Laden was allowed to escape, but the wingnut punditocracy drowned him out.
Said the man who had nothing intelligent to say.
You know, for someone twice my age, you’re pretty childish.
Now that you have read my mind, I m reading yours.
I assume you’re referring to when I said this:
Said the man who believe that liberals support teh t3rristorz!!1!!11! .
since that is the only thing that I said that could even be construed as “mind reading”. Let me refer you to this quote from Franky-boy from this very page:
Besides, the jihadis would never kill a Clinton or a Kennedy. It might get the liberals mad at them, and then they d get involved in the war on terror.
It’s not mind-reading if the guy makes his thoughts public.
JK, you expend too many words on that piece of garbage. Pointing and laughing is all the attention it deserves. For that and the million other offensive statements it makes.
Also, since it desreve its own comment (and might be moderated for profanity):
Think Hitler was just a misunderstood paper hanger
I’m Jewish, you goddamned asshole. I know you were playing one of your stupid games, but that went too far. I hope you’re proud of yourself. Eat shit and die (not necessarily in that order).
Also, why would someone admire Stalin and Hitler? Their politics were complete opposites.
FactCheck,
We’ve spent so much time and effort sparring over the “politics” of this war. What has me very concerned is the increasing, and persistent effort by the right, to draw an equivalence between the real enemy on the ground in Afghanistan and Iraq, and their historical political adversary, here at home: the American liberal. Reading some of verbage from people like Frank and Dugger, for example, one would hardly think a difference existed.
JK
jk, to the hard right, we ARE the real enemy. You can see it in their eliminationist rhetoric, that is exhibited here and elsewhere daily. If your stomach is strong, stroll over to Freak Republic and see what they are saying about Cindy Sheehan’s hunger strike.
Fortunately, the “soldiers” of the hard right are cowards for the most part. Still, when I see unhinged rhetoric from the likes of some on this thread, well, let me just say they may be making some not so pleasant news at some point.
If anyone from the right REALLY believes that the left doesn’t have the best intentions for this country, I really don’t know that their opinion is worth my consideration.
I believe that right-wing ideology is dangerous for this country, but I have no doubt that most wingnuts “believe” that their way is the best for this country. I don’t think that they want to destroy America.
Does the other side feel the same way about us? Doubtful. It is, however, a reflection on them, not on us.
Let me say this first: Being told that I am not a man of honor by a guttersnipe such as you, is a compliment.
As to your preposterous statement that “99.9% of liberals in this country would agree with my statement”, I can only say that I read a lot of liberal comments on a lot of blogs. I read a lot of liberal commentary on blogs and in newspapers. I hear a lot of liberals speak on TV.
I have never heard one of them — not one of them — support the President, the military effort in Iraq or the GWoT, without several contigencies and reserves. There is no liberal I have ever heard of , who fully supports the efforts — I repeat, the efforts of the troops in Afghanistan and Iraq.
Never.
one would hardly think a difference existed.
You’re welcome to demonstrate it to me — seriously. Let’s hear about it. Let’s hear what liberals are doing to support the War on Terror, besides singing, “Bring the Boys Home.”
Fortunately, the soldiers of the hard right are cowards for the most part
There’s a bipartisan outreach, if ever I saw one.
If anyone from the right REALLY believes that the left doesn t have the best intentions for this country, I really don t know that their opinion is worth my consideration.
I don’t know if point #1: If anyone from the right REALLY believes that the left doesn t have the best intentions for this country
is even connected to point #2:
I really don t know that their opinion is worth my consideration
but I offer you the same opportunity I offered JK: Demonstrate the left’s support for the troops’ efforts in the GWoT.
That shouldn’t be hard, if it’s that obvious.
I believe that right-wing ideology is dangerous for this country
Well, you know something? I don’t think that left-wing ideology is dangerous for this country. I just think it’s ill – conceived and wrong – headed. Interestingly, you describe the right wing as dangerous , but are surprised that come conservatives feel the same way about the left.
Funny peculiar, eh?
Maybe it’s time to rethink the whole thing, eh?
And don’t forget the homework assignment.
Seems rather odd (not really) that the original topic of this discussion has been completely obliterated. Did anyone notice that some interesting things have occurred since someone last talked about it?
Remember? It was about conservative “outrage” over an article in the travel section of the NYT, which featured homes of people such as Donald Rumsfield, Dick Cheney, etc.
Apparently Michelle Malkin and Mr. Horowitz should have done a little more research before they started ranting. As was my original suspicion, these folks were making a mountain out of an anthill (this didn’t even meet the qualification of a molehill.). I know how conservatives dislike the evil Daily Kos, but you really should see this.
Here is a clue:
Bushwacked, the funniest thing was David Horowitz implying that Rumsfeld was “intimidated” by those evil leftist NY Times travel writers into giving permission to photograph.
Hey, Dave, uh, so what you’re saying is that your SecDef is intimidated by some reporters writing travel info? Ummmm, ok.
Some of these bloggers are giving half-hearted apologies now, but I would bet that years from now they will be talking about the evil NY Times, who printed security details of the SecDef’s house!!!!
>>There is no liberal I have ever heard of , who fully supports the efforts I repeat, the efforts of the troops in Afghanistan and Iraq.
Never.
Well, folks, there it is.
45 Million Kerry voters in 2006. Frank says that not one of them fully appreciates, and supports, what our troops are doing in Afghanistan and Iraq. How prepostourous is that? Not one, he says.
You confuse full support of the men and women of our Armed Forces, with “full support” of our President, and the leadership of this war.
There’s a whopping difference.
You see, lightweight, we actually wanted to give our troops a chance to win in Iraq from the outset, but it’s clear that our President has so severely botched the effort, that victory may not be possible. That is not just my opinion, but the opinion of more than a few high level military people who are a hell of a lot smarter on these things than I am.
You could have made your point, without offering up violence against a liberal American as a solution.
Do you realize how un-American that sounds? You should, particularly on this day.
JK
Bushwacked,
I’m happy that the phony outrage has been exposed, but you see, people like Malkin, and the rest of the nutty mudslinging right don’t really care. Tomorrow, they’ll wake up and throw MORE mud (BS), to see if that might stick. Maybe it will, and maybe it won’t, but to them, it’s the cumulative effect of the caked on mud that matters. It distracts the opposition, and whips up the right-wing core into a frenzy (witness Frank).
You can’t make them go away, they’ll always be around. So, while you may feel all warm and fuzzy that this particular incident has apparently been nipped in the bud, Michelle Malkin will continue to make more money than you and I have ever dreamed of, by simply being angry. Anger sells.
From where I sit, that’s the larger story. How do liberals respond to the massive, angry, assault from the right(witness, Coulter’s “Godless” NYT best-selling book)? Should we be more angry? More outraged?
I’m not particularly moved by this story for the simple reason that this kind of stuff is single A politics in a major league game. It really is. The big prize in November won’t be won, or lost on this issue.
Honestly, do you think that Michelle Malkin will suffer any ill effect from all of this?
Hell no. She’ll be on Fox’s Hannity and Colmes in short time.
JK
Honestly, do you think that Michelle Malkin will suffer any ill effect from all of this?
Nope. The main thing do was return to the original topic, especially since it exposed the so-called outrage of Michelle Malkin and her like for what it truly was – hot air.
Well, I’m glad you’ve decided to play “hall monitor.”
The problem is that Democrats need leadership.
Bill Clinton could take a punch, and hit back twice as hard, all the while staying on message.
Contrast ol’ Bubba, to Senator Lieberman, who will run as an independent if he loses the primary. That, in effect, will destroy any chance Democrats have on holding that seat.
Continue to get distracted by this minutia. Keep those hallways clear, Bushwacked.
JK
Jk, we need to hit back hard AND push forward with our agenda.
I like how Joe Biden did it (about Cheney):
“No, I don’t want to respond to him. He’s at 20 percent in the polls. No one listens to him. He has no credibility. It’s ridiculous.”
If frikken’ DLC Joe Biden can do this, any Dem can do this. And should. Dems also need to stop going on rw radio shows (I exempt Joe Liebermann, because he’s resigned as a Dem) and be bullies on the panel shows and talk over their opponents, if not outright infantilize them.
It’s not pretty, but it gets respect. Ask the Republican majority.
While you’re all so seemingly concerned about the addresses of NYT Editors, and Bush Administration Officials being made public (information that anyone could probably either find for free, or buy from Intellius for $49.00), veterans of the Iraq war are homeless.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060704/ap_on_re_us/homeless_after_iraq
What can we do to support *these* troops?
I thought so.
JK
Frank_D Jul 3rd, 2006 at 9:08 pm
Did any liberals die on 9/11 Frank?
I m assuming they did, but I m not getting a sense that the surviving liberals give much of a shit. What service were you in, punk?
JK& Real life asshole.
Frank, you are one seriously passive aggressive motherf**ker. But hey, at least your sons think you’re slightly cool.
JK, thanks for the compliment. I’ve been trying very hard to lose weight, and though I’m hardly a lightweight, it is kind of you to notice.
Roni, as usual, is a shithead that has yet to make an intelligent comment.
I screwed upthe link
http://www1.va.gov/visns/visn03/homeless.asp
veterans of the Iraq war are homeless.
What can we do to support *these* troops?
JK, find out a little bit about what you’re talking about, before you break out the drama.
The exact same thing was true for Vietnam Vets, and Gulf War I vets.
That’s why the VAMC set up .
Why do liberals think they’re the only ones who care?
Frank D bleats, “Jul 2nd, 2006 at 5:57 pm
F M: We cerainly don t disagree on who was attacked. But we might disagree on who wants to fight back.”
Yes, Frank, but as usual, you would be wrong.
Jamey: If I said, “We certainly don t disagree on who was attacked,” what was wrong?
And, when I said, “But we might disagree on who wants to fight back, what part was wrong?
Do you mean we agree on who was attacked. Why? It wasn’t us? Who was it Andorra?
Do you mean we agree on who wants to fight back? We do? I don’t think so.
Explain, please.
Thank you, Jamey.