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		<title>By: Frank_D</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/06/30/ziing/#comment-38375</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank_D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Jul 2006 01:07:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, actually, you are.
I was making a slightly different, although somewhat relevant point.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, actually, you are.<br />
I was making a slightly different, although somewhat relevant point.</p>
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		<title>By: duros62</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/06/30/ziing/#comment-38374</link>
		<dc:creator>duros62</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Jul 2006 16:07:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wouldn't say he knows little about it, but like quaker says, he has a poor understanding of it.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wouldn&#8217;t say he knows little about it, but like quaker says, he has a poor understanding of it.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank_D</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/06/30/ziing/#comment-38373</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank_D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Jul 2006 15:07:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BTW, not for nothing, but how many people &lt;i&gt;have&lt;/i&gt; said Justice Thomas knows little about discrimination.
Quite a few, yes?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW, not for nothing, but how many people <i>have</i> said Justice Thomas knows little about discrimination.<br />
Quite a few, yes?</p>
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		<title>By: Dana</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/06/30/ziing/#comment-38372</link>
		<dc:creator>Dana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Jul 2006 12:07:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My compliments to our esteemed host.  He allowed a trackback from my site which was critical (in the same sense as my comments above were critical) of his position on this article.  It has always appeared to me that Mr Willis has this site set up to review trackbacks before they appear, and I know that he was personally aware of the trackback (since he responded), and he did not censor it in any way.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My compliments to our esteemed host.  He allowed a trackback from my site which was critical (in the same sense as my comments above were critical) of his position on this article.  It has always appeared to me that Mr Willis has this site set up to review trackbacks before they appear, and I know that he was personally aware of the trackback (since he responded), and he did not censor it in any way.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank_D</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/06/30/ziing/#comment-38371</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank_D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Jul 2006 12:07:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quaker, you're being silly again. Knock it off.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quaker, you&#8217;re being silly again. Knock it off.</p>
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		<title>By: QuakerinaBasement</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/06/30/ziing/#comment-38370</link>
		<dc:creator>QuakerinaBasement</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Jul 2006 04:06:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Do you have any idea how much experience Stevens has in the military?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Yes.

The answer is: more than Justice Thomas.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Do you have any idea how much experience Stevens has in the military?</p></blockquote>
<p>Yes.</p>
<p>The answer is: more than Justice Thomas.</p>
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		<title>By: QuakerinaBasement</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Jul 2006 04:06:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm sure all you open-minded fellows would be just as accommodating if Justice Stevens wrote that Justice Thomas has a poor understanding of racial discrimination, yes?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sure all you open-minded fellows would be just as accommodating if Justice Stevens wrote that Justice Thomas has a poor understanding of racial discrimination, yes?</p>
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		<title>By: Common Sense Political Thought</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/06/30/ziing/#comment-38368</link>
		<dc:creator>Common Sense Political Thought</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Jul 2006 00:06:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Stereotyping...&lt;/strong&gt;

I have resisted writing about the rape charges against three members of the Duke Lacross team until now   and I m still hesitant.  I am unwilling to prejudge a case like this, outside of a courtroom, possessing only partial evidence, evide...
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Stereotyping&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>I have resisted writing about the rape charges against three members of the Duke Lacross team until now   and I m still hesitant.  I am unwilling to prejudge a case like this, outside of a courtroom, possessing only partial evidence, evide&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Frank_D</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank_D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jun 2006 22:06:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let me ask you a question, Quaker. Do you have any idea how much experience Stevens has in the military?
Is that because you have none, or because you don't know?
If Thomas was saying that Stevens' plurality decision was based on his (Stevens') knowledge of asymmetrical warfare, then it was a poor one.
I agree with Thomas.
Now, am I right because I was in the military?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me ask you a question, Quaker. Do you have any idea how much experience Stevens has in the military?<br />
Is that because you have none, or because you don&#8217;t know?<br />
If Thomas was saying that Stevens&#8217; plurality decision was based on his (Stevens&#8217;) knowledge of asymmetrical warfare, then it was a poor one.<br />
I agree with Thomas.<br />
Now, am I right because I was in the military?</p>
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		<title>By: QuakerinaBasement</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/06/30/ziing/#comment-38366</link>
		<dc:creator>QuakerinaBasement</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jun 2006 21:06:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;As such, Stevens servie in the Navy doesn t elevate him to status of military strategist. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Just like Dugger, you're trying to turn this upside down. Nobody wants to elevate Stevens to military strategist. OW pointed out that the activist judge who criticizes Stevens familiarity with military matters has--unlike Stevens--zero military experience.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>As such, Stevens servie in the Navy doesn t elevate him to status of military strategist. </p></blockquote>
<p>Just like Dugger, you&#8217;re trying to turn this upside down. Nobody wants to elevate Stevens to military strategist. OW pointed out that the activist judge who criticizes Stevens familiarity with military matters has&#8211;unlike Stevens&#8211;zero military experience.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank_D</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jun 2006 19:06:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In view of the inability to decide if Thomas actually meant Stevens individually, and the inability to determine if Thomas was actually referring to participation in combat, as opposed to having kowledge of &lt;i&gt;warfare&lt;/i&gt;; I think it is safe to conclude that Thomas in no way &lt;b&gt;attacked&lt;/b&gt; Stevens.


So unless you want to continue to make jokes about Thomas' (alleged, but unconfirmed) links to porn, I would suggest that the subject is closed.


Back to Limbaugh and Viagra
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In view of the inability to decide if Thomas actually meant Stevens individually, and the inability to determine if Thomas was actually referring to participation in combat, as opposed to having kowledge of <i>warfare</i>; I think it is safe to conclude that Thomas in no way <b>attacked</b> Stevens.</p>
<p>So unless you want to continue to make jokes about Thomas&#8217; (alleged, but unconfirmed) links to porn, I would suggest that the subject is closed.</p>
<p>Back to Limbaugh and Viagra</p>
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		<title>By: Jay C</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/06/30/ziing/#comment-38364</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jun 2006 19:06:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;OW simply pointed out that the person who says that Stevens service grants him no knowledge asserts his own insight into military matters, even though he has zero experience.&lt;/i&gt;

First of all, OW asserts that Thomas attacked Stevens unfamiliarity with "combat" and Thomas said no such thing. Believe it or not, there is a difference between combat and warfare. I know guys who have been in combat, but they wouldn't know the first thing about warfare. They were good at taking orders and following those orders. That's it.

FDR never served a day in uniform. But it was obvious he was very familiar with the realities of warfare. Neither Clausewitz nor Eisenhower commanded troops except from a very high perch, but both are considered at the top when discussing military strategy.

&lt;i&gt;I know some barbers who do a lousy job of cutting hair. But I d still go to them before I d ask an auto mechanic take a whack at it.&lt;/i&gt;

Yeah, and to use the illustration above, cutting hair a few times doesn't make somebody a stylist and changing the oil in your car once, doesn't make a person a mechanic. As such, Stevens servie in the Navy doesn't elevate him to status of military strategist.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>OW simply pointed out that the person who says that Stevens service grants him no knowledge asserts his own insight into military matters, even though he has zero experience.</i></p>
<p>First of all, OW asserts that Thomas attacked Stevens unfamiliarity with &#8220;combat&#8221; and Thomas said no such thing. Believe it or not, there is a difference between combat and warfare. I know guys who have been in combat, but they wouldn&#8217;t know the first thing about warfare. They were good at taking orders and following those orders. That&#8217;s it.</p>
<p>FDR never served a day in uniform. But it was obvious he was very familiar with the realities of warfare. Neither Clausewitz nor Eisenhower commanded troops except from a very high perch, but both are considered at the top when discussing military strategy.</p>
<p><i>I know some barbers who do a lousy job of cutting hair. But I d still go to them before I d ask an auto mechanic take a whack at it.</i></p>
<p>Yeah, and to use the illustration above, cutting hair a few times doesn&#8217;t make somebody a stylist and changing the oil in your car once, doesn&#8217;t make a person a mechanic. As such, Stevens servie in the Navy doesn&#8217;t elevate him to status of military strategist.</p>
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		<title>By: QuakerinaBasement</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/06/30/ziing/#comment-38363</link>
		<dc:creator>QuakerinaBasement</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jun 2006 18:06:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;You guys pretend that military experience is of primary importance when the military person is saying or doing something you agree with.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Your imagination is working overtime.

No one pretended that Stevens' military experience is of primary importance. OW simply pointed out that the person who says that Stevens service grants him no knowledge asserts his own insight into military matters, even though he has &lt;em&gt;zero&lt;/em&gt; experience.

See?

Pointing out that Justice Thomas is just flappin' isn't the same thing as claiming Stevens as one of our own.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>You guys pretend that military experience is of primary importance when the military person is saying or doing something you agree with.</p></blockquote>
<p>Your imagination is working overtime.</p>
<p>No one pretended that Stevens&#8217; military experience is of primary importance. OW simply pointed out that the person who says that Stevens service grants him no knowledge asserts his own insight into military matters, even though he has <em>zero</em> experience.</p>
<p>See?</p>
<p>Pointing out that Justice Thomas is just flappin&#8217; isn&#8217;t the same thing as claiming Stevens as one of our own.</p>
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		<title>By: QuakerinaBasement</title>
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		<dc:creator>QuakerinaBasement</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jun 2006 18:06:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;How is that so? There are people I know who have served in the military that I wouldn t trust to win a game of Stratego or Risk. The last thing I want them doing is pontificating about warfare.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I know some barbers who do a lousy job of cutting hair. But I'd still go to them before I'd ask an auto mechanic take a whack at it.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>How is that so? There are people I know who have served in the military that I wouldn t trust to win a game of Stratego or Risk. The last thing I want them doing is pontificating about warfare.</p></blockquote>
<p>I know some barbers who do a lousy job of cutting hair. But I&#8217;d still go to them before I&#8217;d ask an auto mechanic take a whack at it.</p>
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		<title>By: Dugger</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jun 2006 17:06:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quakerina

"In this case, as in so many others, a conservative with no military experience denigrates the experience of someone who has served."

No.  The point stands.  You guys pretend that military experience is of primary importance when the military person is saying or doing something you  agree with. And he did not denigrate (to use your word) Steven's personal experience.  Thats malarkey.

Bush has military experince and (I assume) OW deosn't.  How can, then, using your logic, OW criticize Bush on anything with military implications.  he's disqualifiedf, right?

Dugger
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quakerina</p>
<p>&#8220;In this case, as in so many others, a conservative with no military experience denigrates the experience of someone who has served.&#8221;</p>
<p>No.  The point stands.  You guys pretend that military experience is of primary importance when the military person is saying or doing something you  agree with. And he did not denigrate (to use your word) Steven&#8217;s personal experience.  Thats malarkey.</p>
<p>Bush has military experince and (I assume) OW deosn&#8217;t.  How can, then, using your logic, OW criticize Bush on anything with military implications.  he&#8217;s disqualifiedf, right?</p>
<p>Dugger</p>
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		<title>By: O.Y.E.</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jun 2006 16:06:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BUT BUT BUT Quaker!! Are you saying only people with a military background are allowed to have an opinion on military matters?? Why are you lefties denying First Amendment rights to a man with an expertise in bukkake scenes who wants to express an opinion on the "realities of warfare"??

SPUTTER!!! Harumph!!

/typical right-winger
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BUT BUT BUT Quaker!! Are you saying only people with a military background are allowed to have an opinion on military matters?? Why are you lefties denying First Amendment rights to a man with an expertise in bukkake scenes who wants to express an opinion on the &#8220;realities of warfare&#8221;??</p>
<p>SPUTTER!!! Harumph!!</p>
<p>/typical right-winger</p>
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		<title>By: Jay C</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jun 2006 16:06:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;but it sure as hell makes him much MORE of an authority than a man with absolutely no military experience.&lt;/i&gt;

How is that so? There are people I know who have served in the military that I wouldn't trust to win a game of Stratego or Risk. The last thing I want them doing is pontificating about warfare.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>but it sure as hell makes him much MORE of an authority than a man with absolutely no military experience.</i></p>
<p>How is that so? There are people I know who have served in the military that I wouldn&#8217;t trust to win a game of Stratego or Risk. The last thing I want them doing is pontificating about warfare.</p>
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		<title>By: QuakerinaBasement</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jun 2006 16:06:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The left persists, when and only when it suits their ideological purpsoes, that any military service equates to military smarts.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

No, The Left doesn't.

In this case, as in so many others, a conservative with no military experience denigrates the experience of someone who has served. No one here has tried to claim that Stevens is a grand military theorist. OW has simply pointed out that the man questioning his familiarity with military matters has &lt;em&gt;zero&lt;/em&gt; experience himself and is woofing out his trousers.

For someone who eagerly trots out the "Left Hate the Troops" shibboleth, you're surprisingly willing to stand up for those who marginalize a veteran's experience.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The left persists, when and only when it suits their ideological purpsoes, that any military service equates to military smarts.</p></blockquote>
<p>No, The Left doesn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>In this case, as in so many others, a conservative with no military experience denigrates the experience of someone who has served. No one here has tried to claim that Stevens is a grand military theorist. OW has simply pointed out that the man questioning his familiarity with military matters has <em>zero</em> experience himself and is woofing out his trousers.</p>
<p>For someone who eagerly trots out the &#8220;Left Hate the Troops&#8221; shibboleth, you&#8217;re surprisingly willing to stand up for those who marginalize a veteran&#8217;s experience.</p>
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		<title>By: Dana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jun 2006 16:06:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Our esteemed host wrote:

&lt;blockquote&gt;I admit that as a black man, the likes of Clarence Thomas embarasses the hell out of me.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That would be like me saying, "I admit that as a white man, the likes of John Paul Stevens embarasses the hell out of me."  After all, I certainly don't like the way he votes in the Supreme Court, and I find his occasional use of foreign precedent alarming.


So, you disagree with Justice Thomas politically.  Why would that embarass you more than the white justices with whom you disagree?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our esteemed host wrote:</p>
<blockquote><p>I admit that as a black man, the likes of Clarence Thomas embarasses the hell out of me.</p></blockquote>
<p>That would be like me saying, &#8220;I admit that as a white man, the likes of John Paul Stevens embarasses the hell out of me.&#8221;  After all, I certainly don&#8217;t like the way he votes in the Supreme Court, and I find his occasional use of foreign precedent alarming.</p>
<p>So, you disagree with Justice Thomas politically.  Why would that embarass you more than the white justices with whom you disagree?</p>
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		<title>By: Oliver Willis</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jun 2006 16:06:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Because Thomas was largely picked because of his race and because blacks in high positions reflect on the perception of the larger black community (Rice or Obama, for instance).
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Because Thomas was largely picked because of his race and because blacks in high positions reflect on the perception of the larger black community (Rice or Obama, for instance).</p>
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