Comments on: Bush’s First Choice For Homeland Security Director http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/06/30/bushs-first-choice-for-homeland-security-director/ Like Kryptonite To Stupid Thu, 04 Dec 2008 06:39:42 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.2 By: QuakerinaBasement http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/06/30/bushs-first-choice-for-homeland-security-director/#comment-38408 QuakerinaBasement Sun, 02 Jul 2006 04:07:32 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=2296#comment-38408 <blockquote>still waitiing for quaker s response to the fact that the attorney for the gitmo group is actually a leftist activist& </blockquote> His <strong>military</strong> attorney? Lt. Cmdr. Swift?

still waitiing for quaker s response to the fact that the attorney for the gitmo group is actually a leftist activist&

His military attorney? Lt. Cmdr. Swift?

]]> By: QuakerinaBasement http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/06/30/bushs-first-choice-for-homeland-security-director/#comment-38407 QuakerinaBasement Sat, 01 Jul 2006 17:07:16 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=2296#comment-38407 <blockquote>Calling you a douchebag belittles actual Bags of Douche, at least they provide a service.</blockquote> Namecalling, Panic? Congratulations on taking the quality of your posts up a notch.

Calling you a douchebag belittles actual Bags of Douche, at least they provide a service.

Namecalling, Panic?

Congratulations on taking the quality of your posts up a notch.

]]> By: drpedro http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/06/30/bushs-first-choice-for-homeland-security-director/#comment-38406 drpedro Sat, 01 Jul 2006 17:07:15 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=2296#comment-38406 still waitiing for quaker's response to the fact that the attorney for the gitmo group is actually a leftist activist... still waitiing for quaker’s response to the fact that the attorney for the gitmo group is actually a leftist activist…

]]> By: duros62 http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/06/30/bushs-first-choice-for-homeland-security-director/#comment-38405 duros62 Sat, 01 Jul 2006 16:07:35 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=2296#comment-38405 Oh yeah, trying to steal classified documents is so much, much worse than being mobbed up, asshole. Talk about equivalency... Not even close. Oh yeah, trying to steal classified documents is so much, much worse than being mobbed up, asshole.
Talk about equivalency…
Not even close.

]]> By: DCPanic http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/06/30/bushs-first-choice-for-homeland-security-director/#comment-38404 DCPanic Sat, 01 Jul 2006 06:07:45 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=2296#comment-38404 the man Mr. Clinton PUT in charge of National Security had a little "stealing classified documents" problem. the man Mr. Clinton PUT in charge of National Security had a little “stealing classified documents” problem.

]]> By: DCPanic http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/06/30/bushs-first-choice-for-homeland-security-director/#comment-38403 DCPanic Sat, 01 Jul 2006 06:07:05 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=2296#comment-38403 Quacker: Calling you a douchebag belittles actual Bags of Douche, at least they provide a service. Quacker:
Calling you a douchebag belittles actual Bags of Douche, at least they provide a service.

]]> By: QuakerinaBasement http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/06/30/bushs-first-choice-for-homeland-security-director/#comment-38402 QuakerinaBasement Fri, 30 Jun 2006 21:06:37 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=2296#comment-38402 Panic's distractions aside, the man Mr. Bush wanted to put in charge of the nation's security seems to have a little mob problem. Panic’s distractions aside, the man Mr. Bush wanted to put in charge of the nation’s security seems to have a little mob problem.

]]> By: scratch http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/06/30/bushs-first-choice-for-homeland-security-director/#comment-38401 scratch Fri, 30 Jun 2006 20:06:57 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=2296#comment-38401 Do Duros, it did not. And that is my point. Do Duros, it did not. And that is my point.

]]> By: scratch http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/06/30/bushs-first-choice-for-homeland-security-director/#comment-38400 scratch Fri, 30 Jun 2006 20:06:52 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=2296#comment-38400 Duros... Oh, did that PDB mention the plans to hijack planes and fly them into buildings? Duros…

Oh, did that PDB mention the plans to hijack planes and fly them into buildings?

]]> By: duros62 http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/06/30/bushs-first-choice-for-homeland-security-director/#comment-38399 duros62 Fri, 30 Jun 2006 20:06:43 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=2296#comment-38399 Did the PDB refer to actionable intelligence? Did the PDB refer to actionable intelligence?

]]> By: scratch http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/06/30/bushs-first-choice-for-homeland-security-director/#comment-38398 scratch Fri, 30 Jun 2006 20:06:29 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=2296#comment-38398 PD100... You may have missed part of my point. Clinton said that even back in '96, he knew that bin Ladin was eager to attack the U.S....rendering the title of that PDB further into the "no shit" category. PD100…

You may have missed part of my point. Clinton said that even back in ‘96, he knew that bin Ladin was eager to attack the U.S….rendering the title of that PDB further into the “no shit” category.

]]> By: scratch http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/06/30/bushs-first-choice-for-homeland-security-director/#comment-38397 scratch Fri, 30 Jun 2006 20:06:28 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=2296#comment-38397 duros... Oh, I'm sorry. I interpreted your remark to refer to <i>actionable intelligence.</i> duros…

Oh, I’m sorry. I interpreted your remark to refer to actionable intelligence.

]]> By: duros62 http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/06/30/bushs-first-choice-for-homeland-security-director/#comment-38396 duros62 Fri, 30 Jun 2006 20:06:09 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=2296#comment-38396 Were we talking about those plans specifically? I said it <b>further</b> negates it as a defense, not that it absloutley does. Were we talking about those plans specifically? I said it further negates it as a defense, not that it absloutley does.

]]> By: duros62 http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/06/30/bushs-first-choice-for-homeland-security-director/#comment-38395 duros62 Fri, 30 Jun 2006 20:06:07 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=2296#comment-38395 well, ok then. well, ok then.

]]> By: duros62 http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/06/30/bushs-first-choice-for-homeland-security-director/#comment-38394 duros62 Fri, 30 Jun 2006 20:06:02 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=2296#comment-38394 .rendering the title of that PDB further into the  no shit category. which in turn further negates the "no one could have anticipated...." defense. .rendering the title of that PDB further into the  no shit category.

which in turn further negates the “no one could have anticipated….” defense.

]]> By: scratch http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/06/30/bushs-first-choice-for-homeland-security-director/#comment-38393 scratch Fri, 30 Jun 2006 19:06:46 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=2296#comment-38393 This is a puzzling statement by Clinton: <i>At the time, 1996, he had committed no crime against America, so I did not bring him here because we had no basis on which to hold him, <b>though we knew he wanted to commit crimes against America.</b></i> So, according to Clinton's own words, we didn't bring bin Laden to the U.S. for only one reason: <i>"because we had no basis on which to hold him."</i> So, he made a choice not to bring him to America, though he knew way back then that...wait for it...<i>bin Laden was determined to attack the U.S.</i> This is a puzzling statement by Clinton:

At the time, 1996, he had committed no crime against America, so I did not bring him here because we had no basis on which to hold him, though we knew he wanted to commit crimes against America.

So, according to Clinton’s own words, we didn’t bring bin Laden to the U.S. for only one reason: “because we had no basis on which to hold him.”

So, he made a choice not to bring him to America, though he knew way back then that…wait for it…bin Laden was determined to attack the U.S.

]]> By: duros62 http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/06/30/bushs-first-choice-for-homeland-security-director/#comment-38392 duros62 Fri, 30 Jun 2006 19:06:42 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=2296#comment-38392 Where'd you get that story, DC? Powerline? Where’d you get that story, DC? Powerline?

]]> By: scratch http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/06/30/bushs-first-choice-for-homeland-security-director/#comment-38391 scratch Fri, 30 Jun 2006 19:06:34 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=2296#comment-38391 Actually Rex, that's a fair analysis (<i>"...from republicans who would attack him for violating the law, and then for not violating it enough"...</i>that's good stuff, man.) I chose that excerpt from Clinton's speech because it showed that Clinton actually did have a chance to bring in bin Laden. But Oliver protested that Clinton was not <i>handed</i> bin Laden...a different claim than the one I addressed. Fortunately, it is not in my nature to blame people, including Presidents, for decisions they make in good faith with available information, so I do not mind at all accepting yours and Oliver's view on this particular subject. Actually Rex, that’s a fair analysis (“…from republicans who would attack him for violating the law, and then for not violating it enough”…that’s good stuff, man.) I chose that excerpt from Clinton’s speech because it showed that Clinton actually did have a chance to bring in bin Laden. But Oliver protested that Clinton was not handed bin Laden…a different claim than the one I addressed. Fortunately, it is not in my nature to blame people, including Presidents, for decisions they make in good faith with available information, so I do not mind at all accepting yours and Oliver’s view on this particular subject.

]]> By: PD100 http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/06/30/bushs-first-choice-for-homeland-security-director/#comment-38390 PD100 Fri, 30 Jun 2006 19:06:22 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=2296#comment-38390 <i>So, according to Clinton s own words, we didn t bring bin Laden to the U.S. for only one reason:  because we had no basis on which to hold him. </i> Not only that but: Sudan was placed on State Department's list of countries that sponsor terrorist activities in 1993. Does the U.S. negotiate with terrorists? -then and now (minus Iran Contra)? <i>"So, he made a choice not to bring him to America, though he knew way back then that& wait for it& bin Laden was determined to attack the U.S. "</i> Clinton was reading the PDB that day? -was he president in Aug 2001? <i>"All right, you've covered your ass, now." </i> So, according to Clinton s own words, we didn t bring bin Laden to the U.S. for only one reason:  because we had no basis on which to hold him.

Not only that but: Sudan was placed on State Department’s list of countries that sponsor terrorist activities in 1993. Does the U.S. negotiate with terrorists? -then and now (minus Iran Contra)?

“So, he made a choice not to bring him to America, though he knew way back then that& wait for it& bin Laden was determined to attack the U.S. “

Clinton was reading the PDB that day? -was he president in Aug 2001?

“All right, you’ve covered your ass, now.”

]]> By: duros62 http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/06/30/bushs-first-choice-for-homeland-security-director/#comment-38389 duros62 Fri, 30 Jun 2006 19:06:19 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=2296#comment-38389 If only Clinton had had the powers of the Executive Branch that Bush has now, he could have gone and got him. Yeah, that would go over big with the R's in the room. If only Clinton had had the powers of the Executive Branch that Bush has now, he could have gone and got him.
Yeah, that would go over big with the R’s in the room.

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