Jon Henke apparently believes that the proper way to respond to a slap in the face is a curtsy. Jon is upset that Digby mentioned the fact that Rush Limbaugh vacationed in an area known for sex tourism toting a bottle of male enhancement drugs. Somehow, such topics shouldn’t be broached by the left. This is the same Rush Limbaugh, I should note, who accused President Clinton of rape, Hillary Clinton of murder, and called their daughter Chelsea a dog. He’s also the one who told a black caller to “take the bone” out of his nose, and the Abu Ghraib prison abuse nothing more than a harmless prank. It is the same Limbaugh who calls Democrats allies of Al Qaeda and the scum of the earth.
But we can’t say anything mean about him. It would be uncivil and just not sporting.
We are still in the Victorian Era, right?
Henke’s a fruitcake. Like all conservatives, he believes ethics are for others–not his own.
The fact is Limbaugh went to the Dominican Republic for a little vacation. The Dominican Republic, sadly, has earned a reputation as cheap sex tourism destination. And, let’s face it, the Dominican Republican is not the first place one would think of for a vacation.
I see no “rhetorical poison” the above comment and consider it mild, compared to those of “Harpy Annie” or “Big Daddy” Limbaugh himself , a poster child who is the very definition of the word hypocrite. All of this whining by Henke is the usual garbage that erupts from the mouths of wingnut talking heads when one of their own get caught “with their britches down”.
Cheap shots? The word is karma, Frank, and yes it is wonderful to see him finally getting his due. After all, he certainly has earned it.
Karma
Oliver left out a key point. Digby didn’t just say he went to an area popular with sex tourism. He said Limbaugh went to “one of the underage sex capitals of the world”. He implied that Limbaugh was a pedophile.
If you can’t see the difference between criticizing somebody — even insulting them — and calling them a pedophile, then your own moral compass is as broken as his.
Incidentally, I’m not a conservative and I DO criticize the Limbaugh’s, Coulter’s and Savage’s of the Right. Which is more than you do. And yet, you accuse me of thinking it’s alright for “my own” but not for the other side?
Save all the crap for when you don’t take cheap shots at Limbaugh. Otherwise, you’re no better, or worse, than he is. Who are you kidding? You’re loving this.
He said Limbaugh went to one of the underage sex capitals of the world
That is a statement of fact.
He implied that Limbaugh was a pedophile.
That is your inference you smutty boi.
Of course we’re loving this. Do think we should respect Limbaugh? Or do you imagine that we are supposed to feel sorry for him? What about his victims?
Look, it’s all over. It’s well known that men are forcing sex on powerless children. There was a time when we could pretend this was not going on or make excuses for it. That time is over. It’s common, it’s shocking, most of it goes unpunished.
Any time a pedophile is exposed, an angel dances in heaven.
Oh, and I am way better than Rush Limbaugh, by any measure. As a spouse, as a parent, in my work, you name it. NO forgiveness for him.
Frank: I don’t have a tv show, radio show, or the other sort of numerous media avails given like candy to conservatives.
Jon: Did Limbaugh go to a country where there are underage sex tours or not? It’s a statement of fact. Did he say Limbaugh was a pedophile? A hypocritical basically psychotic drug addict doesn’t get the benefit of the doubt. Contrast that with calling Bill Clinton “a very good rapist” on national television.
You’re one of the few who, on occasion, criticize the right. It’s a very small minority who do so. Point me to the liberal with the media exposure given to Limbaugh/Coulter/Savage etc. who even produces 1/10th of their venom and maybe we can talk about how equal the situation is.
Oliver, that’s not the point. Whatever Limbaugh did in the past doesn’t make what you, and a dozen other liberal bloggers, if not more, right.
And that’s even if it’s true.
I for one had no idea that the Dominican Republican is where “you go for underage sex.” I don’t even know where you would get such information — the Times’ Arta & Leisure Section?
How does a guy returning from a foreign country where it is reputed that there is a lot of underage sex (even if the reputation is deserved, is there any evidence that Limbaugh engaged in such activities? No. Is there some evidence that he engaged in sexual activities? Yes.
But you’re calling him a pedophile, and a hypocrite for being one to boot.
I know that Clinton was a rapist, a sexual predator, a groper, and a harasser of women, but I wouldn’t call him a pedophile if he spent the weekend at Michael Jackson’s — without evidence, anyway.
C’mon. Of course that’s what he was up to.
When a religious single man goes on an all boys trip on his own private jet and chooses a country known for its sexual excesses, especially vis. a vis. underage sex, and that single religious man is found to have a bottle (not one or two, but a bottle) of viagra that is not in his name, it is a complete reasonable question to ask:
Just what the hell did Jon Henke think Rush was doing there?
It is not character assassination to put all of this together.
We know what drpedro would be doing there, and I do think its sad he needs viagra just to beat off.
Did Limbaugh go to a country where there are underage sex tours or not? It s a statement of fact.
—We are intelligent fellows, Oliver. Feigning naivete does not become us.
Point me to the liberal with the media exposure given to Limbaugh/Coulter/Savage etc. who even produces 1/10th of their venom and maybe we can talk about how equal the situation is.
—-Ah, this reminds me of the “why should we apologize for torturing them when they’re beheading our guys?” argument. I distinctly recall much of the left (correctly) pointing out how illogical it was at the time.
…well, when you get in a fight with a pig, you get dirty and the pig has fun.
But then, sometimes, you’ve got to fight the pig.
Is Limbaugh “news” or is he an “entertainer”? Personally, I infer from his antics that he never progressed above a ten-year-old’s ability to rationalize things.
Still, he makes more money than I do.
How does a guy returning from a foreign country where it is reputed that there is a lot of underage sex (even if the reputation is deserved, is there any evidence that Limbaugh engaged in such activities? No. Is there some evidence that he engaged in sexual activities? Yes.
I usually like to give people the benefit of the doubt, but Rushy-boy here not only threw away that privlidge, he also set it on fire and urinated on it.
It is not character assassination to put all of this together.
Character suicide would probably be a more appropriate term.
I know that Clinton was a rapist, a sexual predator, a groper, and a harasser of women,
You would know. You know you liked it. =P
I guess all the Western tourists caught in Thailand during the tsunami, were there for Thai porn. After all, they have that there, don’t they?
And leave us not overlook the entire population of Chatsworth, CA.
Did Limbaugh go to a country where there are underage sex tours or not?
Is Los Angeles the center of gay porn production in the U.S. Yes. Did Oliver live in los angeles? Yes, a statement of fact. I didn’t say Ollie was a gay porn actor, but a late 20’s chubby baby faced guy with no apparent interest in women (other than a strange obsession with certain ameriasian actresses) and a festish for leotard clad super heros doesn’t get the benefit of the doubt…..
Yea Oliver you’re right. This guilt by association thing is great!
cypher is completely unaware of McCarthy isn’t he…..
Alleged terrorist plot is detailed…
ATLANTA — One of seven men accused of plotting to blow up the Sears Tower in Chicago has admitted s…
“Is it irresponsible to speculate? It is irresponsible not to.”
Again, when I’ve got a major media platform with which I use to level accusations against politicos, feel free to make up all the fantasies about me that you want. But until then, elevating me to the level of Rush Limbaugh just shows how weak your argument is.
And Jon, fighting fire with fire rhetorically is a couple hundred worlds removed from becoming barbarians like the terrorists. As I asked in the main entry, want would you propose we on the left do? Tell Rush “tsk, tsk, tsk” when he accuses the former first lady turned Senator of murder? We’ve tried that to this point. It hasn’t hurt him or helped us.
On another note, I had no idea I had a babyface. Gots to add that to the list.
Who fucking cares? He s a scumbag drug addict.
There those libruls go again, takin’ cheap shots at poor ole Rush.
“He implied that Limbaugh was a pedophile.”
Who fucking cares? He’s a scumbag drug addict.
Zython: But Rushy-boy here not only threw away that privliege
The “benefit of a doubt” is not a privilege — it has to do with you. You can believe whatever you want — for example, that you’re clever — but that doesn’t make it so.
Zython: Providing more and more evidence that he is a tool.
Acting like a jerk — 4 for 4.
Who fucking cares? He s a scumbag drug addict.
This is what passes for left - wing compassion, tolerance and analysis, not to mention eloquence. Good luck on that vocabulary test, Paulie!
Our honored host wrote:
Followed by:
Well, gosh, Mr Willis, the media haven’t given a conservative like me a three hour (or even three minute) radio show, either; I thought that they were giving them away like candy?
Mr Limbaugh took a not quite new idea to new heights, because he is extremely talented as a radio talk show host. You don’t have to agree with him to recognize that he has a tremendous talent there.
Of course, there are liberals who have tried the same media, most of whom are failing miserably (think the entire Air America network) — because they simply don’t generate an audience.
The fact is that the media don’t “give” anything to anyone. They take a judgement on talent, and may decide to invest some money because they believe someone has enough appeal to draw an audience. Sometimes they guess right, and sometimes they guess wrong. But Rush Limbaugh has succeeded wildly in his chosen field because he’s good at it and people like him.
And you do have a platform, right here. You have a substantial audience for an independent blogger, one you have built on you talent alone. (According to your site meter, you average 2,491 visitors per day, which makes you about fifty times more talented than me.) I’d guess that you are working hard to expand your audience.
I find the notion that being more prominent should make personal attacks on someone more reasonable. You’ve put your name out there, in public, just as Mr Limbaugh has; if it is reasonable to make fantasy attacks on Mr Limbaugh, then why wouldn’t it be reasonable to make them on you?
Perhaps you might look at Patterico or Sister Toldjah, conservative bloggers who weren’t very kind to Miss Coulter. And I’d suggest that Michael Moore is every bit as vile as Miss Coulter and Mr Savage can be.
There is plenty of venom coming from the left, though it might be true that there isn’t as much coming from people who have had the talent to earn as much exposire.
I for one had no idea that the Dominican Republican is where you go for underage sex. I don t even know where you would get such information the Times Arta & Leisure Section?
Maybe the same source of information where drpedro discovered that LA is the “center of gay porn production in the U.S.”
I guess all the Western tourists caught in Thailand during the tsunami, were there for Thai porn.
I don’t know…were they also caught with Viagra apparently prescribed to somebody else? In your zeal to issue style points to Oliver, Zython, and others, you’re either forgetting this key fact, or you’re pretending like it has nothing to do with anything. And where would you get the idea that there’s some prevalence of porn in Thailand, anyway, the Times’ Arts & Leisure Section?
I’m sure if, say, Al Franken were caught coming back from the Dominican Republic with medication for erectile dysfunction, and he then joked about it on his radio show, saying, among other things, “I had a great time in the Dominican Republic. Wish I could tell you about it,” you’d be the model of dispassionate objectivity and restraint, if indeed you were interested in the story at all.
And how many of them also mocked Clinton on a daily basis? See, that’s the job of a comedian- you make fun of who’s in charge.
LB — Their “mocking” usually involved his sexual appetite — in America that’s hardly disparaging.
Bush has been insulted in ways unparalleled in my memory, and I remember the beating Nixon took. It was nothing compared to this.
I can name three:
Bill Maher
Lewis Black
George Carlin
and eighty zillion other comedians who regularly trash Bush / Republicans / conservatives on Letterman (including Letterman himself, who is now making a habit of it, so I don’t watch him anymore), HBO, etc.
And, before I forget, The Daily Left-wing Show
Fwank is so sensitive…
Can I just say one salient point? Rush violate the terms of his plea agreement with the state of Florida, regardless of whether he went to the Dominican Republic to pee on a 12 year old or to get a brazilian wax.
(ewww)
I would hate to speculate, so perhaps one of Rush’s defenders can do it for me.
What did Rush need Viagra for in the DR?
How long has he been impotent, and did this condition predate his last divorce?
The press has already conceded that these are legitimate questions to ask a public figure.
Sorry. I meant a Democratic public figure.
One thing is for sure. I’m older than Rush is, and my equipment still works fine. Impotence must be a Republican thing. Or maybe a junkie thing. Or maybe a fat and useless thing. Maybe hypocrisy makes your dick limp.
I wouldn’t know.
Hey. We’ll leave the compassion to you conservatives.
But why couldn’t he get his own prescription for it? Isn’t that the bigger question? He had someone else’s medication!
“It s true frank, Paul and his leftist buddies save all their compassion and tolerance for islamofascist terrorists& .”
You know, again, go fuck yourself pedro. This is a disgusting tactic and you, Dugger, Frank et al ought to be ashamed of yourselves. Of course Limbaugh is the primary fouled font of just this sort of bullshit and you lap up his swill like the self-loathing scumbags that you are.
“… but never denies the primary accusation& .creepy, isn t it?”
The “primary accusation” isn’t worthy of comment because it’s beneath contempt.
But maybe you’d like to enlighten me. On what evidence are you basing the accusation that I reserve all my compassion and tolerance for “islamofascist terrorists”?
…while your compassion is reserved for bibliofacist extremism and big corporate fatties, right?
my compassion knows no bounds duros…
What’s a “bibliofacist”?
It’s funny too, how paul curses and rants about these things….but never denies the primary accusation….creepy, isn’t it?
“This is what passes for left - wing compassion, tolerance and analysis, not to mention eloquence. Good luck on that vocabulary test, Paulie!”
Comapssion and tolerance? For Rush Limbaugh? You must be joking.
you figure it out, smart ass
my compassion knows no bounds duros&
BWAHHHHAAHAHAHAHA!
Stop it, your’e killin’ me. =p
what’s a “bibliofacist” duros?
It’s true frank, Paul and his leftist buddies save all their compassion and tolerance for islamofascist terrorists….
Waht’s creepy is your almost Frank-like obsession with baiting frameone.
name-calling, derision and condescension.
since you are big on evidence duros….where did I call paul a name?
I see you called ME a smart ass, and paul suggested that I perform an impossible sex act on myself, and that I am a scumbag. No where do I see where I stooped to name calling with paul.
Derision? You betcha! Condenscension? Guilty as charged.
Name calling? Nope, that would be the leftists. Funny too, Paul is a “writer”, you would think he could come up with better written arguments than “Fuck yourself…” or maybe not. Writing about whats new in the video store for a free newspaper ain’t exactly “War and Peace” is it?
there’s no evidence, Frame, he feels it in his gut.
I mean, “does”
Hey, genius…it was in his doctor’s name.
Yea, I wondered why you might have such an abject dislike of librarians….
Just for the record….I didn’t call anyone a nazi, I suggested they acted like a nazi.
Unfortunately the personal attacks began with the leftists here, and continue with them. Paul’s livelihood actually is applicable to this venue though, because he does fancy himself a “writer” and because he cracks wise about stuff that he has no real knowledge of.
The really disturbing thing though is that leftists like paul will cut and paste pages of stuff demonstrating the rights and privileges of people who have sworn to wipe all of us off the planet, but when it comes to a fellow citizen that he happens to disagree with (but who is actually a nice guy), paul says…”Comapssion(sic) and tolerance? For Rush Limbaugh? You must be joking.”
“No where do I see where I stooped to name calling with paul.”
No, you just stated that I reserve all my compassion and tolerance for terrorists while failing to give any evidence in support of this assessment. I, on the other hand, believe that such disgusting tactics as accusing your political opposition of supporting terrorists is the act of a scumbag. That’s not name calling, that is, as I’ve said before, simply a matter of applying the most approriate adjective for someone who behaves in such a manner.
You have in the past.
But there you go again, denigrating what he does for a living, a constant theme of yours. If you went on and on and on about what I did for a living every time you opened your trap, I’d call you names too. And I have, I freely admit it. You called someone here a Nazi not too long ago for suggesting that we (the US) re-examine the amount of money and security we invest in Israel. That was over the line, so I still consider you an idiot.
So he writes movie reviews. So it’s a free newspaper in a liberal community? So freakin’ what?
I know far too much personal information about you and Frank than I care to. It does no one here any good for others to divulge personal information about other posters. It makes you look small.
And before you accuse me of not answering the question, perhaps “bibliofacsist” is not the term i was looking for. That sounds like someone who hates libraries.
I was trying my hand at fire-breathing rhetorical pithy slogans, like “islamofacsist” and “cut & run democrats”, but I guess I gotta work on that. What I meant to say that you compassion is reserved for those who would impose a Christian version of Sharia law in the US.
OT, I just picked up Superman Birthright. Highly recommended.
Ok, einstein, do that make it his? No.
Agian, I fail to see how the act of cutting and pasting information invalidates someone’s point. Every person on earth has certain rights and privileges, don’t they? Would you concede that much? What, all animals are equal, but some are more equal than others?
when it comes to a fellow citizen that he happens to disagree with (but who is actually a nice guy), paul says& Comapssion(sic) and tolerance?
At least Paul didn’t advocate the gas chamber for him, come on, now. That would be intolerant.
Simple question; based on the circumstantial evidence we have of Mr. Limbaugh’s (see, I’m compassionate, I said Mr.) behavior, would the cons on this site agree or disagree that a)Mr. Limbaugh violated the terms of his plea agreement with the state of Florida and b) should go directly to jail as per the terms of his agreement and not collect $200?
Unbelievable. Cutting and pasting stuff? “Stuff”? You mean stuff like the relevant passages from the Geneva Conventions, the Constitution and Supreme Court decisions? Stuff like that?
Your unwillingness to recognize the rule of law does not mean that terrorists don’t have rights. Making sure that those rights are upheld is not “showing compassion” for killers. It is respecting the values and beliefs that form the basis for civilized society. Rush Limbaugh, and yourself, are a danger to those values because you would apply them discriminately according to your personal fears, prejudices and avarice. Without a second thought you twist a defense of the rule of law into a defence of terrorism in order to attack your political enemies at the expense of democracy and justice.
For various and quite distinct reasons I have no respect, compassion or tolerance for either terrorists, Rush Limbaugh or yourself, quite frankly. Digby can spread rumors of Limbaugh’s sexual predilictions and drug use far and wide as far as I’m concerned. In part, because Limbaugh has shown no restraint in doing the same about his own political enemies including the former President of the United States, the former First Lady and their teenage daughter. At the same time, why should I tolerate someone such as yourself who regularly accuses me of supporting the murder of my fellow Americans with absolutely no evidence to support such a claim? Why would I have any tolerance for someone, such as yourself, who so willfully confuses defending the rule of law with having compassion for a man who has, time and time again, denigrated my personal political beliefs as treasonous?
I have no compassion or tolerance for Rush Limbaugh but that doesn’t mean I believe he shouldn’t be treated fairly in a court of law. You see I believe that one of the tenets of democracy is that everyone should be treated equally before the eyes of the law, Limbaigh, terrorists, you, me. That’s justice. That’s what I defend.
What exactly are you defending pedro?
If it’s filled out to your doctor and he legally gives it to you (in order to protect your privacy), it does. You’re working way too hard to be stupid today.
I have no problem with cutting and pasting. My problem stems from the effort you spend in defending terrorists. Then, in the same breath, you accuse an american citizen of a heinous crime for which there is absolutely no evidence, and are proud of yourself for it.
Clinton was accused of rape by a number of his VICTIMS, not rush limbaugh. This kiddie porn thing is fabricated out of the ether.
I don’t believe terrorist should be treated equally to citizens of this country, no. The idea of a trial that has a jury of the terrorists “peers”? Or that the trial standard should be “beyond a reasonable doubt? Uh-uh…, no way. The beliefs you stand for are completely pie-in-the-sky. The founders of this country would stand for it either in my view. But that is why you and your ilk are considered a friend of the terrorist, and why they prayed for J.F. Kerry to be elected. They know there is no court in this land that they could be convicted in under the statutes that apply to citizens. Can you imagine? “Where is your chain of evidence Private Pyle?” With some grinning, smarmy Harvard defense attorney standing by….jeesus, what a spectacle….
those things don’t always go together…..why would you assume that is the case now?
drpedro,
Then, in the same breath, you accuse an american citizen of a heinous crime for which there is absolutely no evidence, and are proud of yourself for it.
Then you say
But that is why you and your ilk are considered a friend of the terrorist, and why they prayed for J.F. Kerry to be elected.
Ok. Wow. Now do you know why most of us on this board don’t like you drpedro? Heck, I can’t even recall the other conservative posters sticking up for your strange, hypocritical rants.
Just for the record& .I didn t call anyone a nazi, I suggested they acted like a nazi.
Or: Just for the record& .I didn t call anyone a pedophile, I suggested they acted like a pedophile.
I don t believe terrorist should be treated equally to citizens of this country, no. The idea of a trial that has a jury of the terrorists peers ? Or that the trial standard should be beyond a reasonable doubt? Uh-uh& , no way.
If you’re so sure that they’re terrorists, what do you have to lose by giving them a trial? And keep in mind, if you give a reason along the lines of “the courts are fallable”, you can no longer defend capital punishment without being accurately labeled a hypocrite (but when has that stopped you before?).
The founders of this country would stand for it either in my view.
I thought communicating with the dead was considered a sin?
and why they prayed for J.F. Kerry to be elected.
Source? And no, your ass is not a source.
They know there is no court in this land that they could be convicted in under the statutes that apply to citizens.
Like I said before, you are stating, as a fact, that our court systems do not work. I hope you don’t support capital punishment…
Where is your chain of evidence Private Pyle?
If there’s no evidence, how do you know, for a fact, that they are terrorists? And no, “becasue I said so” or “I can feel it in my gut”, or “They don’t look like me” are not considered evidence.
With some grinning, smarmy Harvard defense attorney standing by& .jeesus, what a spectacle& .
Contempt for the intellectual elites, huh? Look, I know you wish you were smarter, but making fun of those smarter than you just makes you look like an ass. And, as I always say, “I’d rather be an intellectual elitest than a stupid prick.”
It just goes to show you how much our education system has failed when a person who (supposedly) has a PhD can’t even win an arguement with someone who doesn’t even have a Bachelor’s. Just pathetic.
Acting like a jerk 4 for 4
I’m only going to say this once:
I DON’T CARE!
Look, the point is, the WoT is just as much ideological as it is phsyical. I believe that, even if we win the WoT, it won’t be a true victory if it cost the U.S. its soul. Not to mention the more practical reason, that violence just begets more violence. The U.S.’s torturing to satisfy some sort of sick idea of vengence, creates more terrorists than it gets rid of. Not to mention the terrible precedent that it sets. How would you feel if you were locked up and tortured in secret for no reason whatsoever? Not too good I imagine.
Pedophile? That’s speculation.
But when we’re talkin’ RightWing, family values, christian principled,
abstinence first, morality obsessed, virgins ’til marriage, then his little foray is germane to the discussion.
It’s a shame that cons don’t believe in America enough to allow the “terrorists” a day in court, whether it be military or otherwise.
Of course, court would expose that many of these “terrorists” are goat herders that just happened to be in the sights of a warlord looking for a payday.
Oh, and frame, why do you respond to these trolls? They hate themselves and hate America. All you do by responding to them is give them a reason to live. Let the little babies cry themselves out.
“Oh, and frame, why do you respond to these trolls?”
I really don’t know.
Please pedro. Limbaugh spread rumors, innuendo and smears to an audience of millions. In the court of public opinion he deserves everything he gets.
As for your feelings about human rights and the rule of law, is there any other group of offenders to whom you would deny due process and a fair trial? Anyone else who doesn’t meet your personal criteria for justice? Who else, in your opinion, should be shot on arrest or thrown a hole without charges, evidence, representation or trial? Is there anyone else or is just terrorists? And if only terrorists, why just terrrorists? Could you please explain why terrorists should be held beyond the protection of the law?
Your selective application of the rights and values that this country, indeed all civilized society, is founded on is exactly what makes you and those who think like you so dangerous. You would wield power to suit your own personal and political agenda rather than in accordance with the rule of law. And then you have the nerve, the gall to invoke the Founding Fathers in a pathetic attempt to justify it. What you believe, pedro, is so anathema to the letter and spirit of the Constitution it’s frightening.
Now do you know why most of us on this board don t like you drpedro? Heck, I can t even recall the other conservative posters sticking up for your strange, hypocritical rants.
And to top if all off, Pedro is most likely a limp-dick too.
But when we re talkin RightWing [etc.,] then his little foray is germane to the discussion.
You wouldn’t want to take a shot at explaining that, would you, Cleo?
Zython says: I believe that, even if we win the WoT, it won t be a true victory if it cost the U.S. its soul
The problem is that what you call “losing it’s soul” is equivalent to a lack of life.
We’re in a serious war with Islamofascists, and you can say whatever you want about “moderate” Muslims, but ask yourself this question:
In every piece of land where radical Muslims rule, what is the role of ‘moderate’ Muslims?
Was it more or fewer than accused St. Reagan of rape?
Haw!
“A number”? What number, Peed’?
The problem is that what you call losing it s soul is equivalent to a lack of life.
What exactly do you mean by that. If you mean that something can’t live without a soul, I didn’t mean “soul” in that sense.
We re in a serious war with Islamofascists,
No, we’re at a war with terrorism.
In every piece of land where radical Muslims rule, what is the role of moderate Muslims?
Or: In every piece of land where radical Christians rule, what is the role of moderate Christians?
Although I will grant you that most radical Christians don’t actually go out and kill people, they just pray that God will do the dirty work for them.
Zython, you’re not fooling me. You must be smarter than you are pretending to be.
1) I didn’t mean what you thought I meant. I meant that fighting in such a way that you will be satisfied that we are not “losing our soul” means that we will lose our lives.
When the left tried to fight a “humane war” in Vietnam, look what happened.
When the British went into Malaysia, and kicked ass and took names, they defeated the communists.
2) We’re not in a war with terrorism. We’re in a war with terrorists. You can have terrorists without terror, if they are disarned, locked up, and or dead; but you can’t have terror without terrorists, now can you?
And these terrorists are not atheists, Buddhists or Baptists — they are Muslims! which brings to me the most laughable point of all:
3) Where do radical Christians rule — now?
And do these “radical Christians” cut the hands of robbers, drop walls on homosexuals, or “honor kill” their own family members who have been raped?
Let me leave you with a bit of advice I heard when I was in the Army. A guy I knew got orders to go Vietnam after Infantry Training, and his friend came to visit him from another company before he left. You know what his friend said to him? “You can’t go to Vietnam, man, they’re killing people over there!”
You lefties better wake up. Because whatever you want, whatever you’re wishing and hoping for, forget it.
THEY’RE TRYING TO KILL US!
And do these radical Christians cut the hands of robbers, drop walls on homosexuals, or honor kill their own family members who have been raped?
Just wait.
1) I didn t mean what you thought I meant. I meant that fighting in such a way that you will be satisfied that we are not losing our soul means that we will lose our lives.
You phrased that in an odd manner. e.g. “lack of life”, “loss of life” would have been clearer, but that’s neither here nor there. Anyhow, we seem to be doing a good enough job of that already.
2) We re not in a war with terrorism. We re in a war with terrorists.
Since it’s called “The War on Terror“, I’d disagree.
You can have terrorists without terror, if they are disarned, locked up, and/or dead;
If they’re disarmed and locked up, wouldn’t killing them be unnecessary?
but you can t have terror without terrorists, now can you?
Define “terror”.
And these terrorists are not atheists, Buddhists or Baptists they are Muslims!
What about Timothy McVeigh, Yigal Amir*, the IRA?
When the left tried to fight a humane war in Vietnam, look what happened.
Considering the fact that I wasn’t even born yet, I can honestly say that I don’t exactly have a first hand account of what happened during Vietnam.
Where do radical Christians rule now?
Do you even have to ask?
drop walls on homosexuals,
I’m sure they’d like to.
THEY RE TRYING TO KILL US!
If you’re THAT afraid that terrorists (er, islamofacists) might be under your bed, I can sell you some anti-terrorist spray. How does $100 for a 3-pack sound?
*The Jewish extremist that assassinated PM Rabin.
Zython, Zython, Zython. Where do I begin
Since it s called The War on Terror , I d disagree.
Go ahead and disagree. I call things what they are.
If they re disarmed and locked up, wouldn t killing them be unnecessary?
You can have terrorists without terror, if they are either disarmed, locked up, or dead.
Better? I noticed you didn’t disagree.
Define terror .
“Terror”: Violence committed or threatened by a group to intimidate or coerce a population, as for military or political purposes.
Stuff done by terrorists.
What about Timothy McVeigh, Yigal Amir, the IRA?
I believe Timothy McVeigh is dead, and, thus, much less of a threat to the American way of life than,say, you.
The other people you mentioned are not the TERRORISTS we are fighting. Neither Yigal Amir, nor the IRA,bombed the WTC twice, the USS Cole, etc., etc.
Where do radical Christians rule now?
Do you even have to ask?
I dare you to answer.
drop walls on homosexuals,
I m sure they d like to.
assuming that were true (and, like all liberals talking about Christian attitudes, you know less than you do about most other things), they haven’t done it — yet.
Here’s hoping that when they start, they believe you’re a homosexual.
If you re THAT afraid that terrorists (er, islamofacists) might be under your bed
Actually, I’m not afraid they’re under my bed. I’m afraid that one day, they’ll be under your bed, and the fact that you have never cared will mean nothing when they blow up, not you (you’re not afraid, remember?), but your neighbors.
zython your rant has so many holes in it, it looks like swiss cheese. Go back and re-read what I wrote and most of the answers will become clear.
But my favorite part of your little hyperventilation was “And, as I always say, I d rather be an intellectual elitest than a stupid prick”.
I say, get back to Harvard…cause you are still just a stupid prick….
LOL
And Frame, READ what I write for a change. I am all for a trial. I want a military tribunal, not a show trial. I know the leftists in the country are beholden to the Trial Lawyer Association, but a bunch of Johnny Cockrings walking around spout rhyme about “if it don’t fit, you must aquit!” would be nothing short of the end of western civilization. If a court martial is good enough justice for our military, then a military tribunal is good enough for accused terrorists, and that is what I recommended.
And where would you get the idea that there s some prevalence of porn in Thailand, anyway
From the news after the incident. See? Have you heard on the news that Limbaugh went to engage in pedophilia? That’s a fiction of the leftward blogosphere…
if indeed you were interested in the story at all
Actually, I wouldn’t be interested in the story at all, were it not for the left’s reaction to it.
In the future, when a leftist is discovered coming out of a peep show, or arrested in a brothel, it will be real fun hearing (from the left, of course) that his private life doesn’t matter - tee hee.
Frank
and, like all liberals talking about Christian attitudes, you know less than you do about most other things
You think EVERY liberal is against Christianity? WTF?
Our gracious host wrote:
I assume, from that, that Mr Willis is attempting to imply that such is what the “radical Christians” would do, given the opportunity.
But when I look at the most obvious example of punishment, capital punishment, I see where every state with capital punishment has gone to the method of execution they hope is the least painful, most humane way to dispatch a convicted murderer.
We don’t hang people any more, we don’t electrocute them, we don’t use the gas chamber, but try to put them to sleep like a sick kitten.
You may disagree with capital punishment completely (as I do), but it’s hardly like “radical Christians” are out there wanting to burn people alive.
Actually, yes I do. Because even self - proclaimed Christian liberals — or liberal Christians — don’t practice traditional Christianity.
“If a court martial is good enough justice for our military, then a military tribunal is good enough for accused terrorists, and that is what I recommended.”
There you go again. Arbitrarily deciding that some people deserve less justice than others. On what legal grounds are you asserting this unequal, different treatment? Enlighten me.
The other people you mentioned are not the TERRORISTS we are fighting. Neither Yigal Amir, nor the IRA,bombed the WTC twice, the USS Cole, etc., etc.
Ignore the first time that appears. (They should really let you edit posts here)
You can have terrorists without terror, if they are either disarmed, locked up, or dead.
Better? I noticed you didn t disagree.
I don’t disagree. The terrorists need to be stopped, but my arguement is that’s only half the battle.
The other people you mentioned are not the TERRORISTS we are fighting. Neither Yigal Amir, nor the IRA,bombed the WTC twice, the USS Cole, etc., etc.
Terror : Violence committed or threatened by a group to intimidate or coerce a population, as for military or political purposes.
Stuff done by terrorists.
A fair definition.
Here s hoping that when they start, they believe you re a homosexual.
Typical ultra-conservative tactic. You can’t argue against me effectively, so you have to resort to threatening me. Lovely.
I believe Timothy McVeigh is dead, and, thus, much less of a threat to the American way of life than,say, you.
The other people you mentioned are not the TERRORISTS we are fighting. Neither Yigal Amir, nor the IRA,bombed the WTC twice, the USS Cole, etc., etc.
What on earth does that have to do with the point I responed to earlier? You said all terrorists were Muslims, and I gave you examples otherwise.
I dare you to answer.
I don’t respond to dares.
Actually, I m not afraid they re under my bed. I m afraid that one day, they ll be under your bed, and the fact that you have never cared will mean nothing when they blow up, not you (you re not afraid, remember?), but your neighbors.
I will grant you that you are truly concerned about the threat of another terrorist attack, and that is commendable. However, I choose not to let fear rule over my judgement. I’m not going to be persuaded by people telling me that being critical of our government “emboldens our enemies”. That is how I choose to live.
As for drpedro, I will only say, in response to this:
LOL
OMGWTFBBQ!
Seriously, you made no effort to refute the points I made, so why should I?
Frank,
What denomination do you belong to?
Let’s just say I’m a Right - to - Lifer.
Then again, as I’ve said in the past, you can never go wrong knocking Catholics.
So I’ll set myself up - I’m a Roman Catholic who’s a strong believer, just not real big on the Sunday Church.
Go ahead and flog away, boys!
One thing I learned at St. Gabriel’s Elementary and Salesian HS is that if I suffer for my faith, it cuts down on my Purgatory.
Do a good job, guys, and I can get time off for seeing two free movies yesterday.
“One thing I learned at St. Gabriel s Elementary and Salesian HS is that if I suffer for my faith, it cuts down on my Purgatory.”
Now explain to us why we have to suffer for your faith.
“If you had faith in me, you wouldn t be suffering.”
And you’ve done what to earn anyone’s faith?
If anything, by the way, your hateful posts on this message board are giving you more purgatory time.
Ok, now I see the agenda. “Traditional Christianity” only refers to Roman Catholicism, eh??
So I take it you think President Bush (a Methodist) isn’t a real Christian?
I’ll continue the wordplay, frame: If you had faith in me, you wouldn’t be suffering.
Sundown: You’re probably feeling pretty clever,eh?
Of course, you ignored the statement that I would set myself up. So forgive me if I am not surprised by your feeble attempt at witty repartee.
So I take it you think President Bush (a Methodist) isn t a real Christian?
You are wrong. Shall I explain why, or would you rather bathe in the glory of your ignorance? As I mentioned above, liberals don’t know jack about Christianity.
Your hateful posts on this message board are giving you more purgatory time.
I’m sure you’ll be glad to direct me to those hateful posts, and instruct me in which Catholic dogma you find illuminated my path to Purgatory (we Catholics think of it as a real place, so we spell it with a capital letter — unlike you hellbound heathen lefties*).
* Just kidding. Relax.
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