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		<title>By: QuakerinaBasement</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/06/27/the-times-obsession/#comment-37769</link>
		<dc:creator>QuakerinaBasement</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jun 2006 18:06:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;You want me to quote case law regarding kiddie porn?&lt;/em&gt;

Sure.

Show me a case where a legitimate news outlet has been tried on kiddie porn charges.

I&#039;ll settle for just one.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>You want me to quote case law regarding kiddie porn?</em></p>
<p>Sure.</p>
<p>Show me a case where a legitimate news outlet has been tried on kiddie porn charges.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll settle for just one.</p>
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		<title>By: TomY</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/06/27/the-times-obsession/#comment-37768</link>
		<dc:creator>TomY</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jun 2006 18:06:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pedro still hasn&#039;t shown a) that this is a crime; or b) that this isn&#039;t political theater for an administration on the ropes.

But he keeps spinning! Keep going, boy!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pedro still hasn&#8217;t shown a) that this is a crime; or b) that this isn&#8217;t political theater for an administration on the ropes.</p>
<p>But he keeps spinning! Keep going, boy!</p>
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		<title>By: QuakerinaBasement</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/06/27/the-times-obsession/#comment-37767</link>
		<dc:creator>QuakerinaBasement</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jun 2006 17:06:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Here s one off the top of my head&lt;/em&gt;

It&#039;s nice of you to provide it enough flat space for a good takeoff.

&lt;em&gt;Have you seen any pictures of kiddie porn in the NY Slimes?&lt;/em&gt;

Why no. Have you?

&lt;em&gt;Is it against the law?&lt;/em&gt;

As far as I know, that proposition has never been tested. However, you seem certain that a prosecutor would prevail in court. On what do you base that opinion?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Here s one off the top of my head</em></p>
<p>It&#8217;s nice of you to provide it enough flat space for a good takeoff.</p>
<p><em>Have you seen any pictures of kiddie porn in the NY Slimes?</em></p>
<p>Why no. Have you?</p>
<p><em>Is it against the law?</em></p>
<p>As far as I know, that proposition has never been tested. However, you seem certain that a prosecutor would prevail in court. On what do you base that opinion?</p>
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		<title>By: drpedro</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/06/27/the-times-obsession/#comment-37766</link>
		<dc:creator>drpedro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jun 2006 17:06:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hehehehe.....Quakerina.....

why not just bow out gracefully and say &quot;I was wrong&quot;?

You want me to quote case law regarding kiddie porn?

LOL
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hehehehe&#8230;..Quakerina&#8230;..</p>
<p>why not just bow out gracefully and say &#8220;I was wrong&#8221;?</p>
<p>You want me to quote case law regarding kiddie porn?</p>
<p>LOL</p>
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		<title>By: drpedro</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/06/27/the-times-obsession/#comment-37765</link>
		<dc:creator>drpedro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jun 2006 17:06:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I figured your lefty &quot;logic&quot; wouldn&#039;t hold up very long Tomy.....

Good point Paul.  The Slime&#039;s &quot;source&quot; leaked classified information.

I am waiting for the response from regarding the fact that even Murtha asked the times not to publish this information.  So it appears it isn&#039;t JUST the bush wh that is trying to supress the press eh Paul?

Finally, all your graduate student conjecture about the damage caused by this exposure is completely trumped by the fact that the people who actually KNOW THE PROGRAM requested(!) the Slimes not publish, people that include liberal democrats, yet in spite of that, we hear the persistent whine, from people who don&#039;t know any better, that it is &quot;unimportant&quot;.

Given the above, pardon me for not paying any attention to my favorite movie critic for a free newspaper&#039;s opinion on the subject of the programs value!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I figured your lefty &#8220;logic&#8221; wouldn&#8217;t hold up very long Tomy&#8230;..</p>
<p>Good point Paul.  The Slime&#8217;s &#8220;source&#8221; leaked classified information.</p>
<p>I am waiting for the response from regarding the fact that even Murtha asked the times not to publish this information.  So it appears it isn&#8217;t JUST the bush wh that is trying to supress the press eh Paul?</p>
<p>Finally, all your graduate student conjecture about the damage caused by this exposure is completely trumped by the fact that the people who actually KNOW THE PROGRAM requested(!) the Slimes not publish, people that include liberal democrats, yet in spite of that, we hear the persistent whine, from people who don&#8217;t know any better, that it is &#8220;unimportant&#8221;.</p>
<p>Given the above, pardon me for not paying any attention to my favorite movie critic for a free newspaper&#8217;s opinion on the subject of the programs value!</p>
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		<title>By: TomY</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/06/27/the-times-obsession/#comment-37764</link>
		<dc:creator>TomY</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jun 2006 16:06:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I expect to hear not one word from you about  torture  from the US, or an  illegal war  then.&quot;

Expect what you like; it&#039;s clear to all reasonable observers that the White House resists all oversight, and therefore cannot be expected to police itself. You will continue to hear about the very real issue of U.S. torture from me (though I am indifferent to the legality or illegality of the failed Iraq war).
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I expect to hear not one word from you about  torture  from the US, or an  illegal war  then.&#8221;</p>
<p>Expect what you like; it&#8217;s clear to all reasonable observers that the White House resists all oversight, and therefore cannot be expected to police itself. You will continue to hear about the very real issue of U.S. torture from me (though I am indifferent to the legality or illegality of the failed Iraq war).</p>
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		<title>By: frameone</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/06/27/the-times-obsession/#comment-37763</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jun 2006 16:06:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;For leaking classified information paul. The first amendment is not absolute.&quot;

Pedro you are obvious, predictable and dumb as dirt. The NY Times did not &quot;leak&quot; classified information, it reported what it was told by its sources. At the same time, the only person who has asserted that he is above the law in this scenario is George W. Bush.

The country you apparently want to live, in which the President can do anything he wants and journalists are jailed for reporting on the governments actions, is not America, pedro. Not by a long shot.

I heard some idiot on Hugh Hewitt&#039;s show suggest that this story is tantamount to the NY Times reporting on the day and locations of the Normandy invasion. Give. Me. A. Break.  What specific information did the Times reveal that could allow a terrorist to successfully thwart investigators? According to you merely revealing the existence of the program was enough. But anyone with a serious interest in using the international financial system for illegal purposes would have already known that there transactions were open for scrutiny and probably were being scrutinized. The government itself has announced that it was investigating international financial transaction records. It has also announced previously that it was looking to expand its intelligence of non-mainstream means of transferring cash such as hawalas.

All you want to do is attack the free press. That&#039;s it. And the war on terror is the perfect cover. Given today&#039;s new I can&#039;t wait until we start hearing the wails of American fascists that the Supreme Court is hampering the war effort and needs to be investigated.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;For leaking classified information paul. The first amendment is not absolute.&#8221;</p>
<p>Pedro you are obvious, predictable and dumb as dirt. The NY Times did not &#8220;leak&#8221; classified information, it reported what it was told by its sources. At the same time, the only person who has asserted that he is above the law in this scenario is George W. Bush.</p>
<p>The country you apparently want to live, in which the President can do anything he wants and journalists are jailed for reporting on the governments actions, is not America, pedro. Not by a long shot.</p>
<p>I heard some idiot on Hugh Hewitt&#8217;s show suggest that this story is tantamount to the NY Times reporting on the day and locations of the Normandy invasion. Give. Me. A. Break.  What specific information did the Times reveal that could allow a terrorist to successfully thwart investigators? According to you merely revealing the existence of the program was enough. But anyone with a serious interest in using the international financial system for illegal purposes would have already known that there transactions were open for scrutiny and probably were being scrutinized. The government itself has announced that it was investigating international financial transaction records. It has also announced previously that it was looking to expand its intelligence of non-mainstream means of transferring cash such as hawalas.</p>
<p>All you want to do is attack the free press. That&#8217;s it. And the war on terror is the perfect cover. Given today&#8217;s new I can&#8217;t wait until we start hearing the wails of American fascists that the Supreme Court is hampering the war effort and needs to be investigated.</p>
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		<title>By: TomY</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/06/27/the-times-obsession/#comment-37762</link>
		<dc:creator>TomY</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jun 2006 16:06:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rightwingers are already calling for Bill Keller to be sent to the gas chamber. Who&#039;s next, Pedro?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rightwingers are already calling for Bill Keller to be sent to the gas chamber. Who&#8217;s next, Pedro?</p>
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		<title>By: drpedro</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/06/27/the-times-obsession/#comment-37761</link>
		<dc:creator>drpedro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jun 2006 15:06:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like I said tomy, that is fine as long as that is going to be your standard....I expect to hear not one word from you about &quot;torture&quot; from the US, or an &quot;illegal war&quot; then.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like I said tomy, that is fine as long as that is going to be your standard&#8230;.I expect to hear not one word from you about &#8220;torture&#8221; from the US, or an &#8220;illegal war&#8221; then.</p>
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		<title>By: TomY</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/06/27/the-times-obsession/#comment-37760</link>
		<dc:creator>TomY</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jun 2006 14:06:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Republicans see the NYT as a convenient whipping boy for political reasons. But let&#039;s be clear: There is no crime.

There.
Is.
No.
Crime.

When anyone has any evidence for a real crime, bring it. Otherwise, it&#039;s just more GOP spin.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Republicans see the NYT as a convenient whipping boy for political reasons. But let&#8217;s be clear: There is no crime.</p>
<p>There.<br />
Is.<br />
No.<br />
Crime.</p>
<p>When anyone has any evidence for a real crime, bring it. Otherwise, it&#8217;s just more GOP spin.</p>
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		<title>By: drpedro</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/06/27/the-times-obsession/#comment-37759</link>
		<dc:creator>drpedro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jun 2006 14:06:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s one off the top of my head


Have you seen any pictures of kiddie porn in the NY Slimes?  Is it against the law?

There are laws abridging freedom of the press
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s one off the top of my head</p>
<p>Have you seen any pictures of kiddie porn in the NY Slimes?  Is it against the law?</p>
<p>There are laws abridging freedom of the press</p>
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		<title>By: QuakerinaBasement</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/06/27/the-times-obsession/#comment-37758</link>
		<dc:creator>QuakerinaBasement</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jun 2006 02:06:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Peedro sez: &lt;em&gt;&quot;The first amendment is not absolute.&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

Haw!

Check again, Peed&#039;. Fill us in on those exceptions where Congress &quot;may pass laws abridging freedom of the press.&quot;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peedro sez: <em>&#8220;The first amendment is not absolute.&#8221;</em></p>
<p>Haw!</p>
<p>Check again, Peed&#8217;. Fill us in on those exceptions where Congress &#8220;may pass laws abridging freedom of the press.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Zython</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/06/27/the-times-obsession/#comment-37757</link>
		<dc:creator>Zython</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jun 2006 01:06:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Because they are easy going, good guys. Just more proof that republicans are good natured Tomy&amp; .you have the evidence right here. We just want to  get along&amp; . &lt;/i&gt;

So...what you&#039;re saying is that, even though they believe this hurts the WoT, it&#039;s not serious enough to prosecute. Or, to put in simply, the cons don&#039;t take the WoT seriously. That&#039;s a reeeeeeeeeeal nice position to stand on.

It&#039;s also a laugh riot to hear that the cons are &quot;good natured&quot; and &quot;want to get along&quot; from a mentally imbalanced sociopath like drpedro.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Because they are easy going, good guys. Just more proof that republicans are good natured Tomy&#038; .you have the evidence right here. We just want to  get along&#038; . </i></p>
<p>So&#8230;what you&#8217;re saying is that, even though they believe this hurts the WoT, it&#8217;s not serious enough to prosecute. Or, to put in simply, the cons don&#8217;t take the WoT seriously. That&#8217;s a reeeeeeeeeeal nice position to stand on.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s also a laugh riot to hear that the cons are &#8220;good natured&#8221; and &#8220;want to get along&#8221; from a mentally imbalanced sociopath like drpedro.</p>
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		<title>By: drpedro</title>
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		<dc:creator>drpedro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jun 2006 20:06:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;AG won t prosecute Bush s own real illegalities because of his political loyalties,&quot;

Oh and Tomy?  The only thing that is &quot;clear&quot; to me is tha you  make up facts to support your worldview, not the otherway around....
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;AG won t prosecute Bush s own real illegalities because of his political loyalties,&#8221;</p>
<p>Oh and Tomy?  The only thing that is &#8220;clear&#8221; to me is tha you  make up facts to support your worldview, not the otherway around&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: SaveFarris</title>
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		<dc:creator>SaveFarris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jun 2006 20:06:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is one convoluted, contorted explanation.
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		<title>By: TomY</title>
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		<dc:creator>TomY</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jun 2006 20:06:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Still got no evidence, do ya Farris? Hey, why didn&#039;t the WH revoke the NYT&#039;s press pass if they&#039;re &quot;treasonous traitors&quot;? Why didn&#039;t they ask the WSJ not to publish? Still think this isn&#039;t a political stunt motivated by the public&#039;s distrust of the president, Farris?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Still got no evidence, do ya Farris? Hey, why didn&#8217;t the WH revoke the NYT&#8217;s press pass if they&#8217;re &#8220;treasonous traitors&#8221;? Why didn&#8217;t they ask the WSJ not to publish? Still think this isn&#8217;t a political stunt motivated by the public&#8217;s distrust of the president, Farris?</p>
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		<title>By: drpedro</title>
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		<dc:creator>drpedro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jun 2006 20:06:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Because they are easy going, good guys.  Just more proof that republicans are good natured Tomy....you have the evidence right here.  We just want to &quot;get along....&quot;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Because they are easy going, good guys.  Just more proof that republicans are good natured Tomy&#8230;.you have the evidence right here.  We just want to &#8220;get along&#8230;.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: TomY</title>
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		<dc:creator>TomY</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jun 2006 19:06:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for doing my work for me, Pedro: the AG won&#039;t prosecute Bush&#039;s own real illegalities because of his political loyalties, and won&#039;t prosecute the NYT because it&#039;s a made-up illegality. Clear enough, &quot;Doctor?&quot;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for doing my work for me, Pedro: the AG won&#8217;t prosecute Bush&#8217;s own real illegalities because of his political loyalties, and won&#8217;t prosecute the NYT because it&#8217;s a made-up illegality. Clear enough, &#8220;Doctor?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: drpedro</title>
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		<dc:creator>drpedro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jun 2006 18:06:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok Tomy, I hope your logic is consistent (fat chance).

No AG prosecution of Gitmo.

No AG prosecution of wire taps

No AG prosection of an &quot;illegal war&quot;

No AG prosecution of illegal banking activities

So, I can expect you to shut your piehole about all of those activities now?

More &quot;Paulism&quot; from our &quot;Gradual&quot; student paul:

&quot;You dipshits are talking about putting journalists on trial for treason. It really doesn t get any clearer than that does it? And for what?&quot;

For leaking classified information paul.  The first amendment is not absolute.

And more....:

&quot;The argument that this story could somehow hamper our efforts to catch terrorists is laughable&quot;

No Paulie, what is laughable is that you expect us to take the word of a second-rate movie critic for a free newspapers for our counter-terrorism decisions.  You know Paulie, even your hero Murtha contacted the NY Slimes and asked them not to publish this information?  You knew that didn&#039;t you?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok Tomy, I hope your logic is consistent (fat chance).</p>
<p>No AG prosecution of Gitmo.</p>
<p>No AG prosecution of wire taps</p>
<p>No AG prosection of an &#8220;illegal war&#8221;</p>
<p>No AG prosecution of illegal banking activities</p>
<p>So, I can expect you to shut your piehole about all of those activities now?</p>
<p>More &#8220;Paulism&#8221; from our &#8220;Gradual&#8221; student paul:</p>
<p>&#8220;You dipshits are talking about putting journalists on trial for treason. It really doesn t get any clearer than that does it? And for what?&#8221;</p>
<p>For leaking classified information paul.  The first amendment is not absolute.</p>
<p>And more&#8230;.:</p>
<p>&#8220;The argument that this story could somehow hamper our efforts to catch terrorists is laughable&#8221;</p>
<p>No Paulie, what is laughable is that you expect us to take the word of a second-rate movie critic for a free newspapers for our counter-terrorism decisions.  You know Paulie, even your hero Murtha contacted the NY Slimes and asked them not to publish this information?  You knew that didn&#8217;t you?</p>
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		<title>By: QuakerinaBasement</title>
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		<dc:creator>QuakerinaBasement</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jun 2006 16:06:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;&quot;What other possible, reasonable, conclusion is there but that people who supported this story want the U.S. led war on terrorism to fail?&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

Oh, I dunno. Here&#039;s one: the fact that the federal government is snooping randomly through bank records is...uh, whaddya call it....news?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>&#8220;What other possible, reasonable, conclusion is there but that people who supported this story want the U.S. led war on terrorism to fail?&#8221;</em></p>
<p>Oh, I dunno. Here&#8217;s one: the fact that the federal government is snooping randomly through bank records is&#8230;uh, whaddya call it&#8230;.news?</p>
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