Another forfeit, huh? Talk about a sore loser. Lesee…

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How many Japanese and Germans did we “put on trial”? Didn’t we kill millions of them?

As to whether ot not I defend capital punishment, I will say this much:

I most certainly do not oppose capital punishment for terrorists or serial killers, all other things being equal (state of mind, circumstances, premeditation, malice, etc.)

I don’t care to take the argument beyond that, and I am not the least bit concerned about your opinion on that subject.

NOTE: If you bothered to read the  By your logic, bit (which I can certainly assume you didn t), I was following your logic to the next logical step.
You were, and are, wrong, and that’s why I didn’t “address” it. As I have said nearly a dozen times on this thread, if you want to know what I think, you can ask me. Don’t try to tell me what I think.

Of course they don’t WANT to die, but they aren’t afaid to die, and as such, threats of death aren’t going to faze them. I guess “battling for the hearts and minds” means “putting regular people in such a state of fear that they’re afraid to go outside”.

I didn t say that, stupid. I meant terrorists caught in terrorist plots.

If you bothered to read the “By your logic,” bit (which I can certainly assume you didn’t), I was following your logic to the next logical step. If we give serial killers a fair trial, why shouldn’t terrorists also get the same right? After all, the only real defining differences is the motive. Like I said before, though, I be sure to save this tidbit when you eventually go to defend capital punishment.

frame, Respect yourself a little more. Consistently signing your posts  idiot says a lot about your self image.

Perhaps it depends on your perspective, Dugger. Most of frameone’s posts are aptly ended with “Idiot”. What do you figure you’re accomplishing signing your posts repeatedly with your name and a quote? Some would consider it tiresome and arrogant. Which, of course, says a lot about your self image.

Well, yes, Coulter gives them a run for the money.

But I still think she’s funny. Tasteless jokes, maybe.

Dugger, You think Ward Churchill was joking about Little Eichmans?

Dugger

Have you hear the old (medical) saying ” If you don’t take a temperature you won’t find a fever”?

It suggests that if you don’t go looking for something you will never find it.

according to the people that I pay to do counter-terrorism, the slimes story hurt us in our fight against terrorism.

Back to giving “two-thumbs up!” to the latest B-movies for you Paulie….

Uh…

Ann Coulter:
We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity. We weren’t punctilious about locating and punishing only Hitler and his top officers. We carpet-bombed German cities; we killed civilians. That’s war. And this is war.
Bob Dornan (Rep. R-CA):
Don’t use the word ‘gay’ unless it’s an acronym for ‘Got Aids Yet’
George Bush Sr. (President of the United States):
I don’t know that atheists should be considered citizens, nor should they be considered patriots. This is one nation under God.
Jerry Falwell:
AIDS is the wrath of a just God against homosexuals. To oppose it would be like an Israelite jumping in the Red Sea to save one of Pharoah’s chariotters.
Falwell:
If you’re not a born-again Christian, you’re a failure as a human being.
Pat Buchanan:
Rail as they will about ‘discrimination,’ women are simply not endowed by nature with the same measures of single-minded ambition and the will to succeed in the fiercely competitive world of Western capitalism.

Yea, that’s some quality love for your fellow man there.

Do many progressives hate America? I guess Democratic Party bigwig Murtha’s quote was not good enough for you? How about a good leftist professor:

 We need to think very, very clearly about who the enemy is. The enemy is the United States of America and everyone who supports it.

Haunani-Kay Trask, a Professor at the Center for Hawaiian Studies at the University of Hawaii at Manoa

It will be easier if you just give in and admit I’m right. I can help you sort things out. I mean I’ve already helped you with that ‘idiot’ thing, nicht wahr?

Now go take on the day, your pal,

Dugger

It was our intrepid Paul, who argues in the face of our counter-terrorism experts….the same paul who has a hard time coming up with snappy come-backs, and is left impotently writing reply after reply until he can think something up!

Hey, asshole: You accused me and every other proggressive American of same hostility towards America as the 9-11 terrorists. That’s beyond the pale and you ought to be ashamed of yourself. I’m not surprised, however, that you are not. You are a fascist who would use the war against terror to tear down the very democratic institutions that make this country so great. You’re a scumabg.

Really? The experts are concerened that this is a huge breach of national security or do you just mean the point people in the Bush administration who want to vastly expand the government’s ability to invade our privacy? Because some other experts don’t see it quite that way:

Yesterday s New York Times Story on US monitoring of SWIFT (Society for Worldwide Interbank Financial Telecommunication) transactions certainly hit the street with a splash. It awoke the general public to the practice. In that sense, it was truly new news. But reports on US monitoring of SWIFT transactions have been out there for some time. The information was fairly well known by terrorism financing experts back in 2002. The UN Al Qaeda and Taliban Monitoring Group , on which I served as the terrorism financing expert, learned of the practice during the course of our monitoring inquiries. The information was incorporated in our report to the UN Security Council in December 2002. That report is still available on the UN Website. Paragraph 31 of the report states:

 The settlement of international transactions is usually handled through correspondent banking relationships or large-value message and payment systems, such as the SWIFT, Fedwire or CHIPS systems in the United States of America. Such international clearance centres are critical to processing international banking transactions and are rich with payment information. The United States has begun to apply new monitoring techniques to spot and verify suspicious transactions. The Group recommends the adoption of similar mechanisms by other countries.

Suggestions that SWIFT and other similar transactions should be monitored by investigative agencies dealing with terrorism, money laundering and other criminal activity have been out there for some time. An MIT paper discussed the pros and cons of such practices back in 1995. Canada s Financial Intelligence Unit, FINTRAC,, for one, has acknowledged receiving information on Canadian origin SWIFT transactions since 2002. Of course, this info is provided by the banks themselves.

While monitoring SWIFT-handled transfers is a useful tool in identifying and tracking certain suspicious transactions, its importance should not be overstated. The information in SWIFT s hands is no better than the information which it is provided by the banks handling the transactions at both ends. And there is already an obligation on banks in the US and Europe to report all  suspicious transactions The problem is that FINCEN and the corresponding FIUS in other countries have simply been overwhelmed by the enormous amount of transactions that are reported to them (see my earlier blog) Another problem is that European Banks are just getting around to providing (and requiring) information, such as names, account numbers and addresses of originators and recipients of transactions channeled or handled by them through SWIFT or other international transfer facilitators (see my earlier blog). And most banks outside of Europe, the United States and other OECD countries, still do not require, or verify, such information.

The fact is that there is really very little privacy today when it comes to the international transfer of funds. That is why criminal networks, money launderers and terrorist groups have increasingly turned to Hawalas and cash couriers for such transactions.

http://counterterrorismblog.org/2006/06/reports_of_us_monitoring_of_sw.php

Quote courtest of Frank_D who, as I mentioned elsewhere appears now to be less dumb than you.

Of course you are Frank, of course you are.

Uh … and a ‘practicing surgeon’ married to a movie industry executive IS the resident international banking and counter terrorism expert …?

Even heartier LOL!

You’re a scumbag, Dugger. A total scumbag.

I wish you would stop calling names.

And admit it. Many progressives hate America. Many hate Bush. Nobody, but nobody, hates like a progressive.

And just a little advice. Respect yourself a little more. Consistently signing your posts “idiot” says a lot about your self image.

BTW which progressive said: “American presence in Iraq is more dangerous to world peace than nuclear threats from North Korea or Iran, Rep. John Murtha, D-Pa., said to an audience of more than 200 in North Miami Saturday afternoon.”

Dugger

Glad to see you admit that you don’t know what you’re talking about.