A black guy that does your bidding….no problem. Otherwise he ain’t nothing but a slave to the massa….

So, anyone else getting a good picture of the REAL racists here?

It’s obvious only a fence will make people whose visa has run out go home.

It’s obvious only a fence will prevent Chinese people from emigrating in the cargo holds of ships.

but you know, Mexicans and other Latinos are just SO easy to hate for some, and they are so easy to blame.

Jade, I guess Colin Powell wasn’t bothered enough by the ad campaign to go work for the Bushes’. I guess if you want to stay in the house with ‘massa you have to ignore what ‘massa does to the other slaves.

It should be noted that when Lee Atwater was dying of cancer, he did apologize for the Horton campaign–admitting it was racist.

Yet, Dr “P” still contends there was nothing wrong with the ad campaign.

And let’s also remember nobody referred to William Horton as “Willie”–except the GOP ad campaign creators.

And let’s forget that Colin Powell–in his bio–said this about the Horton ad campaign:

“Was the ad depicting the [Horton] incident racist? Of course. Had it bothered me? Certainly, it was a political cheap shot.”

But I am gullible that way. I also bought into the “myth” that drinking water can help slake thirst, but I am SURE that is just another right wing conspiracy….

“Most Americans are against illegal immigration, but most aren t in favor of closing the border or building a stupid fence”

Don’t you?

That statement has a certain lack of …ahem…internal consistency shall we say?

Your inclination would be very wrong, again as I’ve said before I probably agree more with Bush’s position than the GOP base (and my mom is more along the lines of the open borders folks to be frank).

Most Americans are against illegal immigration, but most aren’t in favor of closing the border or building a stupid fence. The motivation of the Republican base against immigration, as evidenced by many of the commenters here and folks like Bill Frist and Tom Tancredo is basic xenophobia. The big fear is that brown men from down south will do harm to our existing culture. If your motivation against immigration is because of race, that’s hate in my book.

The man was black. They put his picture up. That.Is.Not.Racist. No matter how you try to twist your imagination around it, it isn’t racist. I don’t care how many “dimensions” you think there are, the only one who makes it “racist” is you.

Let me try to put it another way.

Was Ollie trying to play the race card by putting HIS picture on the site? Trying to get an advantage by being black?

Marty, you re kind of a one trick pony on your responses, aren t you? I mean, feel free to disagree with me but come up with something more imaginative.

Ah- more ‘avoid your own personal views for the sake of comedy’.
I always make a point Oliver. In your typical fashion you chose to ignore the real point and hide behind .

At least when I take a swipe, I always try to make a point at the same time.

And one trick pony? That’s funny. You mean GOP=hate is not one of your favorite talking points? Talk about one trick pony.

Especially when you conveniently hide your own views on illegal immigration whenver you start talking about “Republican hate” (except for that one time.) In fact, I would venture to guess that based on your personal history that you, and especially your parents are much more inclined towards the Republican position than the Democrats/McCain/Kennedy version of illegal immigration reform.

By the way- I have always wondered how do you reconcile this “Republicans hate hispanics” talking point on ILLEGAL immigration when a vast majority of Americans (including non-Washington Democrats) see the problem the way Republicans do?
How do you reconcile your personal views based on your family’s immigration status with your “Republicans hate hispanic” talking point?
For that matter, how do you reconcile the fact that almost half of Hispanics think that illegal immigration is a major problem? Do Hispanics hate Hispanics?
(There- is that better Oliver? I realize that subtle doesn’t always work with you.)

You didn’t understand one word I said about “imagery,” did you? If you had, you would have addressed my argument.

Clearly, thinking in two dimensions isn’t one of your strong suits, true to GOP form.

Remind me never to get a diagnosis from you.

What’s the point…..I give up.

JK

So JK and Jade everything about Horton was true, but it was racist cause they put his picture up? Whatever happened to the “truth” being neither liberal or conservative.

Then to say that “Reagan did it!”, (no reference to the Reagan murderers though!), and Atwater regretted it (no reference) is just the icing on the cake.

Piddgy work on your reading comprehension too. Uncitied quote?

“The majority of this material was taken from the article “Getting Away with Murder,” by Robert James Bidinotto, which appeared in Reader’s Digest, July 1988.”

Finally, my personal favorite…

“The issue was no longer that Dukakis was soft on crime the Repus made it that if you elect Dukakis, scary-looking black killers would come to your home, rape your wife and kill you.”

Another bit of brilliance from jade…..Except that is EXACTLY what happened to the Barnes’, you dumbass.

Incidently Doper, great uncited quote. What cut the heart out of the program? I couldn’t find many details on the legislation or Dukakis’ quote.

Here’s one for you: Angel Medrano. I believe Reagan furloughed more prisoners than Dukakis.

Uh…(man, I can’t believe I had to refresh this pinhead’s memory)….I also can’t believe he claims he’s a Dr., at this point.

It wasn’t the furlough program per se–it was the manner in which Lee Atwater and the Bush I regime portrayed Willie Horton, in those now, “infamous” political advertisements to attack Dukakis, who was 17 points up in the polls at the time.

Years later, it’s reported that Atwater himself felt remorse about those ads, that clearly used fear, and race-baiting to influence voters. It was less about the furlough program (which other states, had, at the time), and more about the “imagery” used to instill fear.

Look, knucklehead, it’s the same crap you pulled against Kerry, and even John McCain, when he got some traction with a win against Bush in New Hampshire.

When you start losing, you guys on the right get nasty. You get personal. You’ll do anything, legal or illegal, to maintain your hold on power. Whether it’s manipulating vote counts in Ohio (read RFK’s article in Rolling Stone), or setting new standards for negative campaigning, Republicans have demonstrated conclusively that the lowest common denominator wins elections.

6 years later, it’s *still* amazing to me that a decorated war veteran, in John Kerry, took the brunt of negative campaigning against a failed businessman/cocaine user and alcoholic, who happened to not show up for all of his Guard drills.

In that sense, OW is right. Democrats aren’t particularly good at the “lowest common denominator.”

It’s just that I’m not sure if that’s how I would want to win.

JK