Am I the only one who thinks these guys sound more like a kooky cult than a highly advanced terrorist cell?
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Frank, you really think these guys sound like they know what they’re doing?
Could be.
It looks more like a cheap ploy on the part of the grand old wishful-thinking party.
But if this had been a conspiracy that actually had a developed plan, wouldn’t it shoot a hole in the “we’re fightin’ ‘em over there in I-rack so we don’t have to fight ‘em over here” argument?
OTOH:
And amateur mistakes can be as deadly as professional plans.
Don’t get me wrong. I haven’t checked out much more then what the “Liberal” press has put out. What I’ve seen so far…What’s scary to me…is the remote possibility that they may have been arrested more for their thoughts, then the ability to carry out any plots.
The dream Police?
Why should all terrorists be clever?
Most crooks are dumb; why not most terrorists?
To Catch a Wannabe Terrorist …
Although the Miami cell might better be described as “wannabe” terrorists, anyone who remembers Madonna wannabes of the 1980s knows that wannabes can be just as dangerous as the real thing….
And amateur mistakes can be as deadly as professional plans.
See: Iraq
While better to err on the side of caution, I am not sure how open and shut this case is after reading the indictment, which does not read as spectacular as the hyperventilating that was going on CNN.
If you look at the profiles of the terrorists who carried out the attack on 9-11, they appear to have a lot more on the ball than these guys. They may have had the aspiration but they just dont appear savvy enough to carry such an attack out.
They remind me somewhat of the loony MOVE organization which was a thorn in the side of Philadelphia, where I grew up. I don’t think MOVE was Muslims, but they had a philosophy which espoused some version of black nationalism and “back to Africa”. All members in fact adopted “Africa” as a last name. But for some reason instead of actually moving to Africa they mainly seemed to squat in various working class neighborhoods in Philly and harass their neighbors.
The most famous incident involving them occurred while I was in college: Mayor Wilson Goode evacuated most of the neighborhood surrounding the MOVE house in west Philly and cordoned off the block due to MOVE threats against neighbors. A police helicopter then dropped an improvised C4 bomb on their roof to destroy a bunker they’d built. This ignited ammunition and fuel stored in the house causing a conflagration which burned down the entire surrounding block.
Hmmm.. in retrospect this has some similarity to Bush’s approach to Iraq… going totally overboard and causing all sorts of collateral damage leading to a much bigger problem than you started with.
A Little News…
Again. The sky is falling. The loud announcement comes seven terrorists in Miami have been arrested. Their plans? To blow up the Sears Tower in Chicago, to start a full ground war against the United States. Attorney General Gonzales …
I posted this in another thread, but it is appropriate here.
If these incompetent terrorists would have blown up the Sears Tower then you would have blamed President Bush. When will you realize that they want to kill us all?
Getting these people off the streets is good news regardless of your party affiliation&
Now we know the truth: right-wingers do swallow, every time.
Come on, people, this one is so obvious even you goosesteppers should be laughing at the Bush administration. This “Florida 7″ is a group of loud-mouthed goofballs who the FBI suckered into saying the magic words (bomb, al Qaeda, kill Merrkins, etc.). They had no explosives, no logistics, not even boots. These knuckleheads might as well have been planning to conquer Jupiter for all the progress their ‘plot’ was going to make. They didn’t even do anything actionable until the FBI ‘informant’ showed up (unless you count taking pictures of tourist sites; in that case, they’d best put an undercover team on the Skydeck, and bring lots of plastic handcuffs).
I know you trolls are always inclined to give Dear Leader credit for keeping your lame asses safe (never mind the massive ‘failures’ of 9/11), but jumping on this particular bandwagon just makes you look even more stupid and cowardly than usual.
@ Frank_D
And amateur mistakes can be as deadly as professional plans.
I vote this to be the most compelling point of the day.
You guys are missing the mark here in regard to these guys. While they may appear to be “wannabes” I consider them to be the real thing. Just because they didn’t have equipment doesn’t make them a threat. The entirety of their “training” seemed to be limited to pushups and running and jumping over chairs. However, as mindless as these sheep were, all they needed was a leader and things could have been dangerous. I think we should applaud the government for catching these kooks before they got going.
This is the same thing as the Dateline NBC special where they were catching the “internet predators”. The pervs thought they were talking to a 14 year old girl, but it turned out to be police. They aren’t arrested for “thoughts”. There are no “dream police”, the fact is we are snatching people off of the street because not only have they demonstrated the capacity to do something, they had intent. The Miami 7 had intent, that is enough for me.
The Miami 7 had intent, that is enough for me.
Try getting a conviction for something someone wanted to do, but didn’t.
If convictions for thoughts about illegal acts were possible, I would have been convicted thousands of times by now, mostly for my thoughts about sexual offenses I would like to commit, but also for thoughts about assassinations of political figures and torturing bad drivers.
Wait. Torture isn’t illegal any more. It’s now a respected procedure in jurisprudence. What a country!
However, as mindless as these sheep were, all they needed was a leader and things could have been dangerous.
They had a ‘leader,’ and he was just as clueless as the flock.
I think we should applaud the government for catching these kooks before they got going.
Herein lies the point of my protest, Dkel, and I think OW’s, too. These knuckleheads had no real potency at all, and posed no threat. Their only ‘ties’ to anything larger came from their responses to the overtures of an FBI informant. In other words, the danger was practically manufactured by the FBI out of whole cloth.
The FBI did its job investigating the Apple Dumpling Gang, but it went way overboard trying to make this imaginary caper look like a major bust. Furthermore, the corporate media (including here in Chicago) are way offside for playing along with the Bush administration’s propaganda campaign. I just hope enough of the electorate reads beyond the sexy headlines to find the emptiness within. This is just an early election-year stunt, and it’s par for the course with this administration.
Try getting a conviction for something someone wanted to do, but didn t.
Apparently, you’ve never heard of conspiracy or “attempting to commit” a crime.
Happens all over the world.
What a world!
Frank,
If you’re so damn scared to live in America, why don’t you leave?
BTW, Randy Weaver posed, and probably still poses, more of a threat than these clowns.
Should we lock him up too, or does he get a pass because he says he’s conservative?
@ Repack Rider
Try getting a conviction for something someone wanted to do, but didn t.
Ummm…how about sting operations that catch pedophiles soliciting sexual favors from kids on the internet? How about drug dealers who make buys from DEA agents during sting operations? How about people who hire a “hit man” who turns out to be an undercover police detective or an FBI Agent? How about someone who has Rophynol in their posession?
If you choose to call this a publicity stunt, then that is your opinion…I respect your opinion, and I also respectfully disagree with you. The idea that some lunatics living in this country would even “talk” about doing things such as bringing down the Sears tower. On Tuesday of this week, I am deploying….again. I don’t mind being on a Baghdad street where the metal greets the meat, but I sure don’t want to think that some wannabe is going to have free reign to attempt to live Al Quaeda dreams when my wife and children are at home alone.
Believe it or not, I am not a Republican, or even a conservative….but I am a realist. Both parties are full of crap in my book, but the point of the matter is, I am someone who knows what “bad” looks like. Hopefully you won’t ever have to see it.
Hey, dsquid, please show me wher I wrote that I was scared.
In re: Randy Weaver
drsquid: How many innocent civilians did Randy Weaver blow up?
If you’re so scared of Randy Weaver, why don’t you leave the country?
Frank,
Weaver really is more of a thrat than the Miami 7. That said, he ain’t much to fear.
Surely you could have picked that up. Me, I can smell the pee trickling down your leg from here, boy.
thanks Dkel. Your directness is refreshing.
You may not be a conservative, but I wish you could explain to some of the folks here what “bad” really does look like. I suspect your familiarity with it explains a lot of your opinions.
Have a safe deployment, and know that at least 50% of this country backs your efforts, and won’t allow them to go to waste.
Weaver really is more of a threat than the Miami 7. That said, he ain t much to fear.
That’s the second time you’ve said it. Now support it, numb nuts.
Me, I can smell the pee trickling down your leg from here, boy*.
It’s not up to me to explain your erotic fantasies.
But if you think I’m afraid of being blown up by some Muslim moron that doesn’t know how to handle high explosives, the answer is yes.
If you’re not, you’re either insane or an imbecile. I’m voting on the latter, based on the evidence you’ve provided so far.
* Guess how old this “boy” is, dipshit?
For anyone who doesn’t think that “homegrown” kook Muslims aren’t a threat I simply have three words:
John Allen Muhammad.
On second thought…
Maybe the “Miami 7″ were given shoe bombs.
According to the “Liberal Press” and reading the indictment. I come away with these thoughts.
These guys talked “terrorist trash” and they could have even been trying to scam this FBI plant. The FBI undercover gave these guys some boots and promises. They, the boots, were never used for a terrorist act. Seems that they’d even lost interest after getting some new shoes.
Think about that. Is there any difference in you or I threatening to kill or destroy something then getting arrested because we either purchase or are given the means, no matter how insignificant, to do so?
As a former Law Enforcement person myself. I say don’t drink the Kool Aid!
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