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		<title>By: Frank_D</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/06/21/gop-values/#comment-37197</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank_D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jun 2006 00:06:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TomY: From which DNC source are you getting this &quot;core American values&quot; nonsense. You don&#039;t know jack about core American values.

You&#039;re a liberal who thinks the world began in 1933, when FDR took over.

James Madison wouldn&#039;t recognize the left wing America we live in now.
I&#039;m sure the first question he would ask would be, &quot;If your countrymen are at war with a mindnumbingly savage enemy, why would you want them to surrender and come home?&quot;

How would you answer him?

How would you look &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.americanfamilytraditions.com/the_signers_of_the_declaration_of_independence.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;these men&lt;/a&gt; in their eyes?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TomY: From which DNC source are you getting this &#8220;core American values&#8221; nonsense. You don&#8217;t know jack about core American values.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re a liberal who thinks the world began in 1933, when FDR took over.</p>
<p>James Madison wouldn&#8217;t recognize the left wing America we live in now.<br />
I&#8217;m sure the first question he would ask would be, &#8220;If your countrymen are at war with a mindnumbingly savage enemy, why would you want them to surrender and come home?&#8221;</p>
<p>How would you answer him?</p>
<p>How would you look <a href="http://www.americanfamilytraditions.com/the_signers_of_the_declaration_of_independence.htm" rel="nofollow">these men</a> in their eyes?</p>
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		<title>By: drpedro</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/06/21/gop-values/#comment-37196</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jun 2006 23:06:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like I said up string Tomy, you don&#039;t really care as much about torture as you do about Bush.

You just keep moving the goalpost to suit whatever your current level of BDS is...
Hypocritical tools such as yourself?  No use for them....
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like I said up string Tomy, you don&#8217;t really care as much about torture as you do about Bush.</p>
<p>You just keep moving the goalpost to suit whatever your current level of BDS is&#8230;<br />
Hypocritical tools such as yourself?  No use for them&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: TomY</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/06/21/gop-values/#comment-37195</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jun 2006 22:06:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your slavish devotion to Bush over core American values is very sad, Frank. Maybe you should consider reading the Federalist Papers sometime?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your slavish devotion to Bush over core American values is very sad, Frank. Maybe you should consider reading the Federalist Papers sometime?</p>
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		<title>By: Frank_D</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/06/21/gop-values/#comment-37194</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank_D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jun 2006 20:06:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Stop rendition and stop torture by our government first; then fix the rest of the world as best we can.&lt;/i&gt;
Interesting -- let&#039;s do what TomY wants.
You&#039;re not too friggin&#039; arrogant.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Stop rendition and stop torture by our government first; then fix the rest of the world as best we can.</i><br />
Interesting &#8212; let&#8217;s do what TomY wants.<br />
You&#8217;re not too friggin&#8217; arrogant.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank_D</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/06/21/gop-values/#comment-37193</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank_D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jun 2006 20:06:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;We cannot win the war on terror by caving on our moral principles.&lt;/i&gt;

As evidenced by?

Your &quot;crapitude&quot; knows no bounds.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>We cannot win the war on terror by caving on our moral principles.</i></p>
<p>As evidenced by?</p>
<p>Your &#8220;crapitude&#8221; knows no bounds.</p>
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		<title>By: TomY</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/06/21/gop-values/#comment-37192</link>
		<dc:creator>TomY</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jun 2006 19:06:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obviously you aren&#039;t paying attention to the news, Pedro. Shiite and Sunni death squads assasinating and intimidating opposing populations. Kurds driving Arab families out of the north. Neighborhoods balkanizing and putting up fences. Street gangs ruling the night. Torture has not stopped simply because Saddam and his sons have been neutralized. As an American, I will do what is prudent to stop torture in the world. That begins with the actions of my governement. We cannot win the war on terror by caving on our moral principles. Stop rendition and stop torture by our government first; then fix the rest of the world as best we can.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obviously you aren&#8217;t paying attention to the news, Pedro. Shiite and Sunni death squads assasinating and intimidating opposing populations. Kurds driving Arab families out of the north. Neighborhoods balkanizing and putting up fences. Street gangs ruling the night. Torture has not stopped simply because Saddam and his sons have been neutralized. As an American, I will do what is prudent to stop torture in the world. That begins with the actions of my governement. We cannot win the war on terror by caving on our moral principles. Stop rendition and stop torture by our government first; then fix the rest of the world as best we can.</p>
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		<title>By: drpedro</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jun 2006 19:06:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tomy if you believe that there is as much torture occuring in Iraq today as under Saddam, then you don&#039;t have an accurate grasp of reality.

To frank&#039;s point:  I won&#039;t try to talk someone out of their religion, no matter how irrational they are about it.  You have BELIEFS Tomy, and beliefs are totally unaffected by FACT.  I don&#039;t like to argue about peoples beliefs....
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tomy if you believe that there is as much torture occuring in Iraq today as under Saddam, then you don&#8217;t have an accurate grasp of reality.</p>
<p>To frank&#8217;s point:  I won&#8217;t try to talk someone out of their religion, no matter how irrational they are about it.  You have BELIEFS Tomy, and beliefs are totally unaffected by FACT.  I don&#8217;t like to argue about peoples beliefs&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank_D</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/06/21/gop-values/#comment-37190</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jun 2006 18:06:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TomY: All Hail Marx and Lenin!
Will you be having cheese with that whine?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TomY: All Hail Marx and Lenin!<br />
Will you be having cheese with that whine?</p>
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		<title>By: Frank_D</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/06/21/gop-values/#comment-37189</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank_D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jun 2006 17:06:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Why begin your post with an insult directed at anyone who hasn t read Coulter s book like it s required reading?&lt;/i&gt;
Who said it was required reading? It certainly helpful to read a book before you comment on what it says.
Besides which, I saw it as a safe assumption, not an insult.

What if I told you that I consider 2) and 3) to be insulting?

How do you feel about describing a commenter&#039;s coming home, and finding his wife in bed with the President? What would you say about that person?

Since there is absolutely no one on these threads who has not insulted someone else, picking me out as The Insulter, is silly, at best, mean - spirited and venal, at worst.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Why begin your post with an insult directed at anyone who hasn t read Coulter s book like it s required reading?</i><br />
Who said it was required reading? It certainly helpful to read a book before you comment on what it says.<br />
Besides which, I saw it as a safe assumption, not an insult.</p>
<p>What if I told you that I consider 2) and 3) to be insulting?</p>
<p>How do you feel about describing a commenter&#8217;s coming home, and finding his wife in bed with the President? What would you say about that person?</p>
<p>Since there is absolutely no one on these threads who has not insulted someone else, picking me out as The Insulter, is silly, at best, mean &#8211; spirited and venal, at worst.</p>
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		<title>By: TomY</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/06/21/gop-values/#comment-37188</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jun 2006 17:06:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll insult you, Frank: you&#039;re selling out American values for the great GOP power-worshipping narcissistic masturbation fantasy!
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		<title>By: Roni</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/06/21/gop-values/#comment-37187</link>
		<dc:creator>Roni</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jun 2006 15:06:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frank_D Says:
June 23rd, 2006 at 8:55 am
For those of you who have yet to read Ann Coulter s Godless, which most likely includes all the left wing posters on this blog, and 99% of all other liberals, TomY is one of the people described in her book: believers in the liberal  religion.  Accepting on faith that America is a  country that tortures,  they never veer or swerve from their course.  Facts? Bah!  Say the liberal believers&amp;


Several questions I know you won&#039;t answer:

(1)  Why begin your post with an insult directed at anyone who hasn&#039;t read Coulter&#039;s book like it&#039;s required reading?  You wonder why people respond to you the way they do.

(2)  &#039;Accepting on faith ... they never veer or swerve from their course&#039;.  Isn&#039;t that the essence of the Bush Administration&#039;s demands of the American people since we invaded Iraq?

(3)   Facts? Bah!  ... we invaded Iraq on this very basis, Frank.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frank_D Says:<br />
June 23rd, 2006 at 8:55 am<br />
For those of you who have yet to read Ann Coulter s Godless, which most likely includes all the left wing posters on this blog, and 99% of all other liberals, TomY is one of the people described in her book: believers in the liberal  religion.  Accepting on faith that America is a  country that tortures,  they never veer or swerve from their course.  Facts? Bah!  Say the liberal believers&#038;</p>
<p>Several questions I know you won&#8217;t answer:</p>
<p>(1)  Why begin your post with an insult directed at anyone who hasn&#8217;t read Coulter&#8217;s book like it&#8217;s required reading?  You wonder why people respond to you the way they do.</p>
<p>(2)  &#8216;Accepting on faith &#8230; they never veer or swerve from their course&#8217;.  Isn&#8217;t that the essence of the Bush Administration&#8217;s demands of the American people since we invaded Iraq?</p>
<p>(3)   Facts? Bah!  &#8230; we invaded Iraq on this very basis, Frank.</p>
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		<title>By: TomY</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/06/21/gop-values/#comment-37186</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jun 2006 14:06:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m well aware Ann Coulter hates me and hates my values. I know that if she had her way, I would be jailed or killed. It clarifies the debate over our way of life to know that she is out there, and that people like you read her death threats to Americans and chuckle.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m well aware Ann Coulter hates me and hates my values. I know that if she had her way, I would be jailed or killed. It clarifies the debate over our way of life to know that she is out there, and that people like you read her death threats to Americans and chuckle.</p>
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		<title>By: TomY</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/06/21/gop-values/#comment-37185</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jun 2006 14:06:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pedro is confused again. When I said I was against the U.S. torturing detainees, and that I am against the U.S. flying detainees to be tortured in places like Syria, Egypt, and Uzbekistan, he seemed to think that that also meant I should be in favor of grand strategic blunders, like Iraq, in the hopes that such blundering would also reduce torture there. I do not believe there is less torture and suffering in Iraq today as a result of our invasion, do I believe I would have to sign on to an failed foreign invasion and occupation even if it did reduce torture.

I am an American citizen. Given that we have an elected government that&#039;s accountable to me and I to it, my first priority in politics, both practically and morally, is my government&#039;s behavior. And when my government tortures and has others tortured on our behalf, those of us who still believe in morality speak out. Those of us who were raised to believe in America, and to fight those who would corrupt her values, must always speak out. God will remember those who &quot;defined torture down&quot; -- the party of pro-drowning, the party of rendition. Making excuses for American torture or pretending it&#039;s not what it manifestly is -- that&#039;s as unamerican as anything bin Laden could dream up.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pedro is confused again. When I said I was against the U.S. torturing detainees, and that I am against the U.S. flying detainees to be tortured in places like Syria, Egypt, and Uzbekistan, he seemed to think that that also meant I should be in favor of grand strategic blunders, like Iraq, in the hopes that such blundering would also reduce torture there. I do not believe there is less torture and suffering in Iraq today as a result of our invasion, do I believe I would have to sign on to an failed foreign invasion and occupation even if it did reduce torture.</p>
<p>I am an American citizen. Given that we have an elected government that&#8217;s accountable to me and I to it, my first priority in politics, both practically and morally, is my government&#8217;s behavior. And when my government tortures and has others tortured on our behalf, those of us who still believe in morality speak out. Those of us who were raised to believe in America, and to fight those who would corrupt her values, must always speak out. God will remember those who &#8220;defined torture down&#8221; &#8212; the party of pro-drowning, the party of rendition. Making excuses for American torture or pretending it&#8217;s not what it manifestly is &#8212; that&#8217;s as unamerican as anything bin Laden could dream up.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank_D</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/06/21/gop-values/#comment-37184</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jun 2006 13:06:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For those of you who have yet to read  Ann Coulter&#039;s &lt;i&gt;Godless&lt;/i&gt;, which most likely includes all the left wing posters on this blog, and 99% of all other liberals, TomY is one of the people described in her book: believers in the liberal &quot;religion.&quot;

Accepting on faith that America is a &quot;country that tortures,&quot; they never veer or swerve from their course.

&quot;Facts? Bah!&quot; Say the liberal believers...
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For those of you who have yet to read  Ann Coulter&#8217;s <i>Godless</i>, which most likely includes all the left wing posters on this blog, and 99% of all other liberals, TomY is one of the people described in her book: believers in the liberal &#8220;religion.&#8221;</p>
<p>Accepting on faith that America is a &#8220;country that tortures,&#8221; they never veer or swerve from their course.</p>
<p>&#8220;Facts? Bah!&#8221; Say the liberal believers&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: scratch</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/06/21/gop-values/#comment-37183</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jun 2006 13:06:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TomY...

&lt;i&gt;For this, I am smeared with the irrelevant lie that I am somehow in favor of other people torturing still others.&lt;/i&gt;

Actually, I don&#039;t recall anyone accusing you of being in favor of torture.  But in light of that accusation, and since you used the word smear, I&#039;ll remind you of another thing you said:

&lt;i&gt;God help you for selling out our nation s core principles, Scratch.&lt;/i&gt;

This because I said that the most of the &quot;torture&quot; I had heard about were either things that I had endured during military training, or things that had been prosecuted as crimes.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TomY&#8230;</p>
<p><i>For this, I am smeared with the irrelevant lie that I am somehow in favor of other people torturing still others.</i></p>
<p>Actually, I don&#8217;t recall anyone accusing you of being in favor of torture.  But in light of that accusation, and since you used the word smear, I&#8217;ll remind you of another thing you said:</p>
<p><i>God help you for selling out our nation s core principles, Scratch.</i></p>
<p>This because I said that the most of the &#8220;torture&#8221; I had heard about were either things that I had endured during military training, or things that had been prosecuted as crimes.</p>
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		<title>By: Roni</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/06/21/gop-values/#comment-37182</link>
		<dc:creator>Roni</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jun 2006 04:06:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>drpedro

Does it concern you that 6 years on, The President of the United States of America can barely utter a coherent sentence -- that includes a noun and verb -- without the aid of an earpiece?
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<p>Does it concern you that 6 years on, The President of the United States of America can barely utter a coherent sentence &#8212; that includes a noun and verb &#8212; without the aid of an earpiece?</p>
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		<title>By: Roni</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/06/21/gop-values/#comment-37181</link>
		<dc:creator>Roni</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jun 2006 04:06:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>drpedro Says:
June 22nd, 2006 at 10:54 pm
yea Roni, good, change the subject. Why don t you leftists just admit you can t come up with consistent fact-based arguments to support your view of the world? Your attempts at revisionist history and avoidance of the subject at hand speaks volumes about your weak and inconsistent stances.


But drpedro, the current reason(s) the US remains in Iraq are &#039;black&#039; to the original &#039;white&#039; bullshit spewed shortly after 9/11.  Making your and The Decider&#039;s arguments inconsistent.  But good try :-)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>drpedro Says:<br />
June 22nd, 2006 at 10:54 pm<br />
yea Roni, good, change the subject. Why don t you leftists just admit you can t come up with consistent fact-based arguments to support your view of the world? Your attempts at revisionist history and avoidance of the subject at hand speaks volumes about your weak and inconsistent stances.</p>
<p>But drpedro, the current reason(s) the US remains in Iraq are &#8216;black&#8217; to the original &#8216;white&#8217; bullshit spewed shortly after 9/11.  Making your and The Decider&#8217;s arguments inconsistent.  But good try <img src='http://www.oliverwillis.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: drpedro</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jun 2006 03:06:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yea Roni, good, change the subject.


Why don&#039;t you leftists just admit you can&#039;t come up with consistent fact-based arguments to support your view of the world?  Your attempts at revisionist history and avoidance of the subject at hand speaks volumes about your weak and inconsistent stances.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yea Roni, good, change the subject.</p>
<p>Why don&#8217;t you leftists just admit you can&#8217;t come up with consistent fact-based arguments to support your view of the world?  Your attempts at revisionist history and avoidance of the subject at hand speaks volumes about your weak and inconsistent stances.</p>
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		<title>By: Roni</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roni</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jun 2006 03:06:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TomY

You know this isn&#039;t a reasonable debate, correct?  Frank and drpedro support an administration that invaded a country five years ago looking for slam dunk weapons of mass destruction and that promised to find Osama bin Laden dead or alive.  Five years later ... The Decider and his merry band have nothing.

Every time the Bush Programme of Bullshit revolving door spins around with new easy to swallow, easy to catapult propoganda that can be repeated over and over and over again, F &amp; d swallow it hook, line and sinker.
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<p>You know this isn&#8217;t a reasonable debate, correct?  Frank and drpedro support an administration that invaded a country five years ago looking for slam dunk weapons of mass destruction and that promised to find Osama bin Laden dead or alive.  Five years later &#8230; The Decider and his merry band have nothing.</p>
<p>Every time the Bush Programme of Bullshit revolving door spins around with new easy to swallow, easy to catapult propoganda that can be repeated over and over and over again, F &#038; d swallow it hook, line and sinker.</p>
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		<title>By: factcheck</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/06/21/gop-values/#comment-37178</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jun 2006 01:06:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shorter Malkin and trolls:  The US can&#039;t be guilty of torture, because Saddam was guilty of torture.  Why do you hate America?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shorter Malkin and trolls:  The US can&#8217;t be guilty of torture, because Saddam was guilty of torture.  Why do you hate America?</p>
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