As I’m sure you know by now the soldiers missing in Iraq were killed and apparently tortured. One of the relatives is lashing out at the administration, so of course the conservatives are slamming him.
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Hey Oliver, have you heard about this company that pays “netvocates” to go comment on blogs? Apparently, even political ones. Just sayin’…
http://www.netvocates.com/
oh, and nimrod, what the hell are you talking about?
Why the pseudo-intellectual british have to be so obtuse is beyond me….I normally really LIKE the Brits……
Hey remember, the HellSkank has decreed that people who lost loved ones in battle or in the 9/11 attacks have no right to speak out about anything (well, except possibly to say how happy they are that their kid died in the service of our noble President)…
Quite an important point brought up by Greg Sargent that needs more love:
It’s a bad one. But who cares? The guy’s distraught. What does it matter? Whay should anyone go after him for anything — but the fact that it’s okay for one of the most high-profile rightwing bloggers to call him “sick” is just hideous. Pedro, care to explain why so many of the extremist right think that’s acceptable discourse?
If only the Malkinites would attack ideas instead of people for once. What a shame.
Ok so the right winger (me) attacks the idea and now it is “who cares”?
I care, a lot. This appeasement idea is why terrorists take hostages in the first place. The cut and run leftist appeasement crowd absolutely fuels the insurgency, and it needs to be exposed for what it is.
I don’t have the slightest idea why someone would attack this kids uncle personally. I have plenty of reasons to attack his IDEAS though. If it were my relatives I certainly wouldn’t scream for appeasement . I would scream for SEAL Team 1 to scour the place. I would scream for the american press and left wing to speak in one voice and say” We won’t stand for this inhuman treatment. We will hunt each every perpetrator of these heinous acts down, whever they are”.
And I would scream against people that say we should just leave. Or people that make specious arguments about the Geneva Convention when speaking of insurgents and terrorist. You leftists have no shame whatsoever…..
Hey, my gravatar finally came through! Thanks for the tip, Oliver!
The Iraqi fighters should have followed the Geneva Conventions; maybe they agreed with our Attorney General when he dismissed them as “quaint.”
I think TBogg has the correct idea: Mr. Hinderaker should be glad to send his own crotch-spawn over to fight the Islamojihadis so that when the body bag comes home he can demonstrate to us the proper and correct forms for the demonstration of grief in Coulter’s America.
Alrighty, here you go. What do you leftists think of the uncles idea….
“MacKenzie said the government should have offered a $100 million reward and offered to exchange mujahideen detainees for the soldiers’ lives. It seized enough money from Saddam Hussein to afford it, he said.”
This is the uncles idea….lets discuss THIS shall we?
Are you going to retroactively berate Markos Moulitas (sp) for his “Screw Them” comment regarding murdered Americans?
Would Conservatives still have to call them “sick” and shameless, though?
It’s a bad idea. But no one’s defending it, nor is Hindraker even attacking it, preferring instead to smear the man personally. I contend that this is acceptable discourse on the right simply because this is what the Malkinite right demands: all hatred of liberals all the time.
And by all means, scream against those who have the right position on the war. It won’t change the fact that we can’t fix Iraq’s problems, and that we never should have gone there in the first place. Screaming is probably your best option, since logic has failed the GOP so dramatically thus far.
“The U.S. plans to run DNA tests on the remains of the two Americans, suggesting that they had been wounded or mutilated beyond recognition.”
Jesus Christ. Leave the man alone!
Actually that is standard procedure. Every service member has a sample of DNA stored so that a “positive” identification can be made. Even if they have a wallet and a dog tag, the only “positive” id is made with dental records or DNA
Of course, the Republican Party Machine and the right wing media sticking cameras and mikes into grieving faces for the sake of some Bush campaign ads is just fine and dandy, isn’t it? Obviously, because there is no such thing as “conservative infallibility”!
Shouldn’t everyone? Including the Today show? Maybe if the media weren’t so insistent on sticking a microphone into every grieving maw hoping to generate another piece of anti-war propaganda, Conservatives wouldn’t have to point out that, hey, these people are grieving and not exactly dealing with the issue in rational terms.
Somebody please define “conservatives” and “slamming”, ans explain how it fits Oliver’s post?
“Conservatives wouldn t have to point out that, hey, these people are grieving and not exactly dealing with the issue in rational terms.”
Ann Coulter just made a total ass of herself by insisting that “The Jersey Girls” were being set up by the left as beyond criticism because they were widows even though she and other right wingers have been criticizing them every since they started raisingquestions about homeland security since 9-11. Here, Save suggests that we shouldn’t pay attention to anything grieving families might say because they aren’t rational.
What is it about the victims of terror that so terrorize right wingers?
TomY, great picture!! I’m sure reading “I lost Iraq” under a picture of The Decider confuses Frank every time he sees it.
At least, it’s funny until you realize that we’re in for three more years of death, torture, and suffering for absolutely nothing than so Bush can feel he showed “resolve.” Now I’m depressed again.
Thanks, Roni! It’s fun because conservatives can’t decide whether we’re winning Iraq (they know in their hearts that we aren’t) and admitting that we lost it, but blaming that on liberals and the media. Such a dilemma!
Frank_D Says:
June 20th, 2006 at 11:03 pm
I certainly have no problem figuring who wants to lose it, eh, TomY?
Yuk, yuk, yuk … I have no doubt The Decider is absolutely committed to whatever is being whispered through his earpiece even if he can’t pronounce it properly.
I certainly have no problem figuring who wants to lose it, eh, TomY?
Frank, what is “losing” in Iraq? What’s winning, for that matter?
So I’ll put Frank down as “admitting the war is lost, but blaming it on liberals.” I would expect no less from an unprincipled Malkinite.
Um, I was quoting something that caught my eye from Oliver’s link. That’s pretty much all. Racism isn’t a viable excuse for not reading, not in this day and age.
So I’ll put down TomY as so surrender – driven that he, as a member of one of the smallest minorities on the planet, believes the war is over.
Earth to TomY: Is isn’t over, until the Armed Forces of the United States say its over.
Not you, not Rep Jack “Sgt Fury” Murtha, not Sen John “three scratches and head for home to sell out your own men” Kerry.
The war is already over. It was always a strategic blunder, and now the public is coming to see reality instead of Bush’s flattering rhetoric. The military can’t build a society when that society is wracked by ethnic cleansing, where the national government has been coopted by death squads, and when local government means nothing more than religious fundamentalist street gangs with AKs.
Frank, come back when you have something other than machismo and liberal hatred to spew. I fear that that’s all you have to offer these days, since there is no refuge for you in facts.
Most importantly, the war is over when the military ceases to be an effective tool to achieve the goal. We passed that point a long time back.
Racism isn t a viable excuse for not reading, not in this day and age.
Is this in response to the “pseudo-intellectual british” comment? Since when are the British a separate ethnic group?
A little quick to play the “racism” card aren’t you? Or is it spring-loaded and you just had a misfire?
I’m glad you said something Drone, I was not even sure how to respond to that, but I think maybe you had it right. I suspect these guys have a “racist” macro in there somewhere, they hit the #1 key and out it spews…..
Right, because since we’re both white it’s impossible for it to be racist.
Are British people American people, yes or no?
Did Pedro make a remark deliberately denigrating British people in general, as an alternative to actually dealing with the quote I brought up, yes or no?
You can debate the accuracy of the word “racist” but it’s a semantic issue at best. Pedro insulted British people in general, call it what you like but it’s at least a relative of racism. Replace “British” with “Jewish” or even “French” and you’d have no problem.
Right now all the true neocons are busy listening to Rush Limbaugh so they will know what they are supposed to say and think. As for me I am sitting here trying to figure out what I am going to spend my big tax cut on. My tax cut will buy about a half tank of gas. Of course my electric bill has nearly doubled in the last five years.
Anyway, this is all fulfilling Pedro’s original gameplan, which was to derail the thread completely so he doesn’t have to deal with what I quoted.
It’s not that scary, surely?
The Ol’ Racism Card. Vital component of the Liberal Utility Belt (located in the compartment right next to the “Don’t Question My Patriotism” card). Pulling it out is the quickest way to shutdown an argument when you’re out of ideas or simply don’t want to debate the facts of the issue. Once you use it, you’ve put your opponent on the defensive and can safely ignore him (as well as any points he makes) until he can prove that he’s NOT a racist.
Example:
“I’m against illegal immigration because…”
“That’s RACISM!”
“But from an economic standpoint…”
“RACISM!”
“But our tax dollars…”
“RACISM!”
“… and hospital overcrowding…”
“still RACISM!”
From his comments, Dr Pedro appeared to be deliberately denigrating the pseudo-intellectual british . If you’re one of them then you should by all means feel duly slighted. I didn’t get the impression he was taking a swipe at the British in general (he did after all say “I normally really LIKE the Brits”).
But even if he was tarring all British subjects with his comments, it’s still not racism. The closest thing I can think to call it is maybe “nationalism”. But even that’s a stretch. It’s no more racist than calling us “warmongering Americans”.
Nim, I think you need to dial the sensitivity down a bit. You appear to have it set on “11″ with the “Ire-boost” enabled.
I think the term is ethnic nationalism. If Pedro had been born in Iraq or Kosovo, he d be a fish in water with the other ethnic cleansers.
Dammit Pedro, I told you that wearing that “I [heart] Ethnic Cleansing” T-shirt all the time was eventually going to bite you on the ass.
So Tom, what “ethnic” group was Pedro’s comment referring to that would qualify it for ‘ethnic nationalism’?
I think the term is ‘ethnic nationalism.’ If Pedro had been born in Iraq or Kosovo, he’d be a fish in water with the other ethnic cleansers.
Right now all the true neocons are busy listening to Rush Limbaugh so they will know what they are supposed to say and think.
Quiet, southpaw… I’m trying to listen and take notes but I keep getting interference from the Rovian mind beams (Hail Karl!) that are broadcast near the same frequency.
Anyway, this is all fulfilling Pedro s original gameplan, which was to derail the thread completely so he doesn t have to deal with what I quoted.
Nim, your post just quoted the original comment that OW linked to but didn’t add anything new to it. I don’t think saying that the statement “needs more love” really qualifies. So how was he (or anyone else) supposed to respond to you?
TomY: You are one of the last people on these threads to be talking to anybody about facts.
You’ve been making the same unadorned uncorroborated comment for what, three days now?
Give yourself a break. If the war is over, then your mission is accomplished.
Retire.
If Iraq is going to be lost, it will be lost “Vietnam – style”.
What’s that, you say?
The Left: Get out! We’re losing!
Get out! We’re losing!
Get out! We’re losing!
Get out! We’re losing!
Get out! We’re losing!
Finally, after sufficient nagging combined with the normal amount of Congressional lack of balls, we get out.
The Left: I told you we were losing… We should never have gone in there in the first place.
What ethnic group is Pedro? I don’t know for sure, but I’m guessing he’s whatever Larry the Cable guy is. And Frank, you’ll be agreeing that we lost the war soon enough. You’re just going to blame libruls and the librul media and the librul generals. My main concern is that when I talk to a conservative about it — especially you guys like Dugger and Pedro who are postively eaten up with liberal hatred — that you hear again and again exactly is to blame for this fuck up. Bush. He won’t weasel out of responsibility this time. This time he fails downward for once in his life.
Let me see if I have this straight: the liberals / democratics are splitting their spleens to get the troops out of Iraq.
So, if they get their way, not only will Iraq be “wracked by ethnic cleansing,” and the “national government be coopted by death squads,” and “local government wil mean nothing more than religious fundamentalist street gangs with AKs,” but when it happens it will be Bush’s fault.
OK. Gotcha.
And, I don’t hate liberals (funny you can’t spell that word right).
I just think they shouldn’t be in charge of a country, especially the USA.
“when it happens it will be Bush s fault”
It’s already happening. And he brought Iraq to this point. There’s no ambiguity about it. This shouldn’t even be about liberals vs. conservatives. This is about continuing to pour lives and money on a strategic blunder that cannot and will not work vs. deciding not to do that anymore. It’s macho failure versus prudence. And even the most jaded Malkinites are starting to realize that their best bet is to repudiate the failure, but blame it on liberals. Sad times for us all.
But-but-but-but—a Halliburton subsidiary painted a school today, at a cost to US taxpayers and their Chinese lenders of only several million.
I decide to call attention to a point made by Greg Stanley which happened to leap out at me.
Pedro, for whatever reason, takes fright at this quote and responds by first pretending not to understand, and then with a crude stereotype of the people of another country.
And I’m supposed to be the one at fault here.
I would say this is Fox News’ America.