The idea that Karl Rove won’t be charged in the CIA leak case is supposed to be a victory of some sorts for the RNC, yet, the media continues to downplay and ignore the other indictments and investigations in the White House and in the Republican orbit. Including: Scooter Libby, David Safavian, Jack Abramoff, Tom DeLay, Bob Ney, Duke Cunningham, Bill Frist, etc. That isn’t even counting the misconduct by the president and vice-president. But yes, kiddies, the media is “liberal” – so liberal they had President and Mrs. Clinton in prison chains for eight years.
I’m sure there would have been some hard-right true believers gloating regarldless, but considering that the term “Fitzmas” became as popular as “chickenhawk” and “clap harder” in the left-wing blogosphere, what exactly did you expect?
A hilarious e-mail novelty? Once again, which part are you disputing? Of course corruption is a “bad thing”, but why don’t you call for the head of Mr. Jefferson, the guy with $90,000 dollars in his freezer?
This is the problem with you guys. You see Duke Cunningham selling out the defense of America as a political problem. Corruption isn’t just a political tool, it’s a genuinely bad thing. DCPanic’s list is one of those hilarious email novelties ginned up by the right for years, pretty funny stuff.
If you’ve read any books on the Clinton era, the only people reporting on Scaife was Salon. The rest of the lapdog press had the Clintons tried and convicted from sometime in 1992.
Oh how we forget. Prez & Mrs. Clinton weren’t portrayed as criminals: they were shown as victims of a vicious out-of-bounds prosecuter/zealot funded by a mysterious, shady man named “Scaife”.
Clinton wasn’t a criminal, he was “flawed” and it only made him a better man. Day after day, the public was bombarded with stories about how we should “move on” and those mean, spiteful (and don’t forget hypocritical!) Republicans should just let our awesome-yet-humble leader do his job.
The media aren’t “downplaying” anything! There just hasn’t been any news in the last 18 hours about any of the other topics you mention. In Rove’s case, there has been. Fear not, Oliver. Dollars to donuts someone will have Part LXXXIV in the expose of Republican Corruption before Monday morning in order to get this story off the front page.
Exactly how did the media “downplay” and “ignore” the Scooter Libby indictment? The way the media porned that one up, one would have thought Cheney himself was indicted.
As for Rove, you bought into the hype pal. All one has to do is peruse your Karl Rove category to read a host of entries devoted to the possibility that he would be indicted. Now he’s not and you complain the media hasn’t talked about Duke Cunningham enough? Hell, I didn’t even know who the hell Duke Cunningham was until he was indicted. And I follow politics pretty closely. You think the average American knows or gives a rats ass?
What about Clinton?
The only president ever impeached on grounds of personal malfeasance
- Most number of convictions and guilty pleas by friends and associates
- Most number of cabinet officials to come under criminal investigation
- Most number of witnesses to flee country or refuse to testify
- Most number of witnesses to die suddenly
- First president sued for sexual harassment.
- First president accused of rape.
- First first lady to come under criminal investigation
- Largest criminal plea agreement in an illegal campaign contribution case
- First president to establish a legal defense fund.
- First president to be held in contempt of court
- Greatest amount of illegal campaign contributions
- Greatest amount of illegal campaign contributions from abroad
- First president disbarred from the US Supreme Court and a state court
47 individuals and businesses associated with the Clinton machine were convicted of or pleaded guilty to crimes with 33 of these occurring during the Clinton administration itself. There were in addition 61 indictments or misdemeanor charges. 14 persons were imprisoned. A key difference between the Clinton story and earlier ones was the number of criminals with whom he was associated before entering the White House.
Oh, I forgot about William “Freezerburn” Jefferson
Indictments and investigations? Indictments and investigations! You can indict a turnip and investigate a potato. What happened to the great frog march Lil Joe raved about to a Seattle mob. Of the FBI pounding on Rove’s door in the middle of the night. Of Mdse Guiillotine being gussied up for Rove’s much deserved come-uppance.
“At the end of the day, it’s of keen interest to me to see whether or not we can get Karl Rove frog-marched out of the White House in handcuffs. And trust me, when I use that name, I measure my words.” Lil Joe
Dugger, Yeah, He measured his words.
You see Duke Cunningham selling out the defense of America as a political problem. Corruption isn t just a political tool, it s a genuinely bad thing.
Oh give me a huge break. Your motivations for whining about this supposed lack of press coverage is driven almost entirely by politics, nothing more. If it weren’t you wouldn’t be complaining about the supposed lack of press coverage on behalf of Republicans and breaking out everybody’s favorite martyrs, the Clintons.
I accuse George W. Bush of raping DCPanic.
There. Now I can add “First president accused of raping a male” to Bush’s dossier.
Come up with something worthy of discussion and we’ll discuss it. Cutting and pasting WND talking points ain’t making it.
You see Duke Cunningham selling out the defense of America as a political problem.
Where the hell does that come from, in this thread or otherwise?
And that bastard is in prison where he belongs…what further news do you expect?
I’m disputing the veracity of any of those “charges”. If you’re going to accuse President Clinton of something like “rape”, get the story from someone remotely credible and not another Scaife lackey.
Like I said, I called for Jefferson to be removed from office before the money in the freezer story even came out.
but why don t you call for the head of Mr. Jefferson, the guy with $90,000 dollars in his freezer?
Like OW said, he already has. When are you going to stop equating one, that’s (1), potentially corrupt Democrat to the already convicted scores of Republicans, and the even greater number of Republicans under investigation for corruption, etc?
Just Jefferson level the whole playing field for you guys on the right? Talk about complete lack of critical thinking skills.
So, Rove gets the all-clear from Fitzgerald and Oliver says the real story is “Remember the Abramoff!!!”
Funny, Oliver lambasted Republicans for saying “Remember Harry Reid” when the Abramoff story was described as a Republican Only scandal.
If your next post isn’t excoriating yourself for tactics you’ve already publicly lambasted, you’ll have less credibility than Jason Leopold.
And that bastard is in prison where he belongs& what further news do you expect?
Cunningham did not operate in a vaccum, and his scandalous behavior has threads leading to other GOP scandals of late, whereas Jefferson’s transgressions have yet to expand beyond himself and his immediate circle, and they have certainly not exposed any other nefarious behavior by congressional Dems.
So, if we takes the facts as they are and until any evidence to the contrary is discovered…the GOP has pretty much cornered the corruption racket.
Don’t shoot messenger.
The “victory” is that the Left had Rove fitted for Work Farm orange months ago — or maybe I should say the “unbiased media” did.
Indictments and investigations? Indictments and investigations! You can indict a turnip and investigate a potato.
You can also shoot a turnip and stab a potato, but that doesn’t mean that when it happens to a person, it’s no big deal.
And with that, I am going to announce my undefeated retirement from the comments sections. I’m off to other places where debating people isn’t like shooting fish in a barrel.
Wingnut Nation is having a premature ejaculation over the one source story
that appears to ‘clear’ Rove of any indictment.
Luskin’s statement;
“”On June 12, 2006, Special Counsel Patrick Fitzgerald formally advised us that he does not anticipate seeking charges against Karl Rove.”"In deference to the pending case, we will not make any further public statements about the subject matter of the investigation. We believe that the Special Counsel’s decision should put an end to the baseless speculation about Mr. Rove’s conduct.”
You could drive a truck through what is not said in this statement.
A commenter @ FDL (Otis) had a speculation that is not wildly Moonbatty;
” The language used by Luskin strongly suggests that Rove got immunity in exchange for his cooperation (it is probably the same deal I have been suggesting was offered to Novak way back when. . . )Otherwise he never would have testified in the Grand Jury to begin with.
Does not anticipate seeking charges means that if Rove testifies at Libby s trial as expected, and as his agreement no doubt provides for him to testify, (lawyers call it providing ongoing cooperation ), then all will be well for him. But if he goes sideways on Fitz and testifies differently from what is now expected, he could be charged w/perjury certainly, and his deal to avoid criminal liability in the larger conspiracy could be off as he could face charges in that as well.
All told, a very standard deal and not unexpected. The more interesting issue and the reason for optimism now is that he couldn t have gotten such a deal without having something important to offer Fitz. The no prosecution letter pretty much guarantees that he that he made a good deal. Either he offered up Cheney himself, or he offered up Libby to guarantee a conviction so Fitz can roll up Libby to Cheney. Either way, for me, I see Cheney going down and that s something I can live with!
One thing is for certain. One side or the other is going to be eating a lot of crow when the dust settles on this internecine affair.
Ollie-
I didn’t accuse Clinton of rape, Juanita Broaddrick did.
Fact-
Of course I am cutting and pasting, there’s no need to re-type the numerous instances of fraud and corruption.
Okay DC, once again we harken back to Clinton and all his misdeeds. Thank you for the reminders of what a horrible, corrupt president the right thought he was. I wonder what we would discover about Bush and Rove if tens of millions of taxpayer dollars were spent investigating them ad nauseum. Once that kind of money is spent and that kind of overzealous oversight is executed, spare us the comparisons.
Here is another hilarious email novelty.
http://rinf.com/news/oct05/bushdeathlist.html
My favorite:
James Downing Aalund..
Mr. Aalund’s name is the first on a long list of young Texans who died in Vietnam. These young men did not have influential fathers to pull the strings necessary to get them into the Texas Air National Guard. If they had been so lucky, they would surely have fulfilled their responsibilities to the ANG, if only out of gratitude that they did not have to die, thousands of miles away in a strange land. They surely would not have disappeared from duty for over a year, as did our fearless leader George W. Bush.
Please tell me about all the heroic details of General Clinton’s military service…
@ DCPanic,
What does Clinton’s military service, or lack thereof have to do with anything?
In my humble opinion, I think that Clinton was straight up about his Vietnam era concerns. Hell, nobody wanted to go to Vietnam at the time. And having a conscription Army when there is a conflict that does not immediately effect the safety of the country always leads to protests and contention. Clinton may have had some help, but who cares. Look at how many Washington big wigs had “other priorities” at the time. Clinton did not support the war, didn’t want to go, and didn’t ant anyone else to go. We all know that he was a Rhodes scholar, so he was spinning his wheels in the world of academia to get out of things. It seems to me that there was more of a fervor over his lack of military service and “connections” than what Quayle or Bush had to deal with regarding their National Guard service. Check this article out.
http://www-tech.mit.edu/V112/N37/clinton.37w.html
DCPanic, obviously military service is not a requirement to have a legitimate opinion on how we should conduct a war, to be President, or to be any sort of elected official. I find it insulting that so many people feel compelled to tell a civilian to “clam up” when they state their opinion. Also, there seems to be this misconception that all Democrats are a bunch of draft-dodging, milk toast weaklings that don’t have the moxy to fight for their country. Just my opinion though.
Hey Factcheck-
“I accuse George W. Bush of raping DCPanic.”
My response:
“I never had sexual relations with that President, Mr. Bush”
Just taking a cue from willy clinton…
Dkelsmith-
They seem to honor military service when it benefits their cause, Kerry.
Then they abandon it as irrelevent, Clinton.
This is actually a victory for the Right.
What the ruling says is carte blanche is granted to one of the chief architects (if not the mastermind) to slander and intimidate any reputable critic of (false) WMD or “Imminent Threat” claims so that a path can be cleared for the deaths of 2400+ Americans and 30,000+ Iraqis.
Anyone who is naive enough to still believe that “regime change” and “democracy” for Iraqis were the chief motives behind the Iraq war ought to have the shit they have for brains flushed out- because it’s clogging their ears. Just once, prove that if the “Imminent Threat” claim were taken off the table, as it should have- that the invasion was justifiable.
All For Nothing, get it?
Zero. Zip. Nada.
Congratulations.
Which, of course, is the exact opposite of the Republicans who abandon the military first (Bush, Rove, Cheney, DeLay, et al) and then honor it later when it benefits their cause.
Names?
(Hint: I don’t want to see Clinton opponent Jim Guy Tucker listed as part of the “Clinton machine,” okay Sparky?)
Quaker, most of the list is people like the guy that dry cleaned Clinton’s suits when he was at Yale, who didn’t pay his parking tickets got convicted of contempt of court, so naturally that is related to Clinton.
The Clinton death list is even funnier. 85 year old people listed as dying from “suspicious” causes.
Karl Rove’s in the Clear
Sung to the tune of “Whitey’s on the Moon” by Gil Scott Heron
Rats run in the streets of DC
With Karl Rove in the clear
The bite homeless Vets and give them disease
and Karl Rove’s in the clear
46 million can’t pay no doctor bills
and Karl Rove’s in the clear
Ten years from now they’ll be dying still
while Karl Rove’s in the clear
The man just upped my gas price again
cause Karl Rove’s in the clear
No job, no home, no car
but Karl Rove’s in the clear
I wonder why he’s upping me?
while Karl Rove’s in the clear
I was already paying $50 a week
and now Karl Rove’s in the clear
Taxes take my whole damn check
The terrarists make me a nervous wreck
The price of food is going up
and if that wasn’t enough
rats run in the streets of DC
While Karl Rove’s in the clear
Anyone who is naive enough to still believe that regime change and democracy for Iraqis were the chief motives behind the Iraq war
Please tell us, O sophisticated one, why did the Bush administration choose to invade Iraq?
I can’t wait…
Frank_D Says:
June 14th, 2006 at 8:27 am
Anyone who is naive enough to still believe that regime change and democracy for Iraqis were the chief motives behind the Iraq war
Please tell us, O sophisticated one, why did the Bush administration choose to invade Iraq?
I can t wait&
The initial revolving door reasons were for the slam dunk haul of weapons of mass destruction and OBL, Frank. Remember …? The revolving door moved around and around after neither were found and door #2 revealed “regime change” and “democracy”.
PD100, I’m waiting…