Wasn’t smoking crack (don’t even smoke ciggies) but nevertheless, you are correct on 1662 vs. 2180.

Dugger, When I miss one, I admit it – even to frame

Total murders in NYC between 2003 and 2005: 1,662
Total US deaths in Iraq betweem 2003 and 2005: 2,180
http://icasualties.org/oif/default.aspx

Seriously Dugger, give up the pipe.

Just hang it up dugger, just hang it up. Idiot.

Somebody here made this flat brilliant remark: “And what kind of violence is occurring in New York that is comprable to what s happening in Baghdad?”

So I guess your real point was that the violence in NYC with more American homicides was actually worse than Iraq and you now apologize to us all?

Or do you have a more effective ultimate measure of violence than homicide.

Read it and weep.

Dugger (Cue series of frothing, nonsensical posts all followed by idiot)

Again, we’ll never end violence in the general sense in Baghdad but you have to make a distinction between the attrition rate of civil war and street crime otherwise your just spewing nonsese. Like pedro’s little factoid about liberating more landmass with fewer casualties blah, blah. It’s a totally deceptive statement because the vast majority of Iraq is unpopulated desert. It’s just another example of how much you guys choose to live in a fantasy land in which mortar attacks and over a 1,000 killings a MONTH are a-o-kay because, hey, look, someone got stabbed in Central Park. Idiots.

“If the average New Yorker is concerned about being murdered in a random crime, the odds of that happening are really remote,” Mr. Farrell said. “If you are living apart from a life of crime, your risk is negligible.”

Criminologists confirm that assessment. “People will be shocked to see how safe it is to live in New York City,” said Andrew Karmen, a sociology professor at John Jay College of Criminal Justice and an expert on victimology. “Victims and offenders are pretty much pulled from the same background. Very often, young victims have young killers. Very often, the victim and killer knew each other.”

So you want to compare 1,662 killings over two years and 1,398 in one month? Go for it. Idiot.

Here’s a little nugget from the NY Times:

“Between 2003 and 2005, 1,662 murders were committed in New York. Men and boys were responsible for 93 percent of the murders; their victims tended to be other men and boys; and in more than half the cases, the killer and victim knew each other.

In addition, an interesting, though uncommon, group of murders involved a handful of victims who died of injuries one or more years after being stabbed, shot, beaten or burned and were counted as murder victims in the year in which they died. Click on the map to view all of the homicides by borough.

Dugger (notice compassionate conservative restraint as evidenced by no “idiot” remark at the end))

A post got eaten. Maybe it will reappear. In the meantime, indeed they do pedro. If you will kindly identify the comprable kinds of violence between Iraq and New York maybe your words might rise to a little more than nonsense.

For instance, how many mortar attacks were there in New York yesterday or, better yet, how many heads were found along the highway?

“… The news came on a day when bombs, mortars and gunmen killed at least 11 people and wounded 26 in the Iraqi capital — and nine heads were found along a highway in Hadid.”

Can you also tell me how many New Yorkers died from shootings and other violent crimes in May? Because in Baghdad alone 1,398 civilians were killed in shootings and other violent crimes last month:

“The main Baghdad morgue reported receiving 6,025 bodies in the first five months of the year, including those of 1,398 civilians killed in shooting attacks and other violent crimes in May, according to a high-ranking Iraqi Health Ministry official.”
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/06/06/iraq.main/index.html

Certainly no one ever expects to rid Iraq of violence in the general sense. But how about mortar attacks, beheadings and sectarian executions? If there were daily or weekly mortar attacks in Brooklyn you would be cool with that? You would shrug your shoulders: “Oh well, there will always be violence in the world.”

What an idiot.

I never conflated terrorist attacks with muggings. I said “violence”, as did Fact, I believe.

It is becoming more and more clear to me why your PhD is in film studies…..

Too classic. Now you’ve conflated terrorist attacks and muggings. That’s about as idiotic a statement as you’ve ever made.

Get back to me when you have untangled yourself from that rhetorical Gordian Knot you have twisted yourself into…..

I never commented on hewitt or powerline. I never agreed or disagreed with Saves statement. I did claim there will never be an end to violence in Iraq, just like there will never be an end to violence in new york city.

Wonderful soliloquy on things that I never commented on though. You DO have an ACTIVE imagination!

 This is all living proof that the leftist, america laster liberals will NEVER be satisfied with any action we take as long as bush is in command. They would cut off America s nose to spite her face.

And yet you agree with Hewitt and Powerline. Do you also disagree with Save who thinks that it is “abominable” to downplay Zarqaqi’s death because you know, “It’s Huge!”? Are Hewitt and Powerline abominable? Of course your ultimate dodge from all your hypocrisy is to now claim that there will NEVER be an end to the violence in Iraq, which kind of makes the whole idea of progress moot. Doesn’t it? So killing Zarqawi isn’t huge at all. Which mean Save thinks your abominable, pedro. Of course your both idiots so who cares?

Not suprisingly….

Doesn’t.

He can’t respond to my point and it drives him batty….

Hey Paulie, hows the blood pressure?