I’ll never understand why Democrats spend so much time complaining about Republican dirty tricks and attack campaigns without doing the same thing themselves. Being “the better man” is a great, consoling thought when you lose on election night I guess.
The better man! BWAHAHAHAHAHAH……..!
Did you just endorse dirty tricks? Furthermore, are you arguing that Democrats can’t complain about dirty tricks unless they’re doing it as well? Isn’t that endorsing hypocracy?
Maybe you meant to say, “… complaining about Republican dirty tricks and attack campaigns RATHER THAN doing the same thing themselves”?
It’s not that the Democrats need to resort to dirty tricks, they need to be agressive, yet honest. They have planty of material to work with. They just need to get the message out in a better manner. Letting your opponent make the rules is a terrible strategy.
Dude, where have you been? I’ve been advocating Democrats engage in dirty tricks since I started this blog! I’m not one of those starry-eyed liberals who thinks that we can hold hands and sing cumbaya. I want to win.
You mean, like, stealing presidential elections by purging 300000 voters? Well, first, you have to recognize the crime before you solve it. Second, your friend and mentor The Instapundit has just stated that the RFK story is bunk and you have nothing to worry about.
Draw your own conclusions from the impartial non republican rnc rationalizer for child murders…
It wasn’t just Insta. It was Mother freaking Jones. That reliable right-wing rag.
The RFK story IS bunk.
Babies.
I’ll never understand where Democrats get off thinking that their way is the best way and the only way, such that anyone who doesn’t vote Democrat must be some gullible white, trailer-park idiot and any election won by a Republican must be the result of “dirty tricks.”
You mean dirty tricks like this:
* Paid Democrat operatives charged with slashing tires of 25 Republican get-out-the-vote vans in Milwaukee on the morning of Election Day.
* Misleading telephone calls made by Democrat operatives targeting Republican voters in Ohio with the wrong date for the election and faulty polling place information.
* Intimidating and deceiving mailings and telephone calls paid for by the DNC threatening Republican volunteers in Florida with legal action.
* Union-coordinated intimidation and violence campaign targeting Republican campaign offices and volunteers resulting in a broken arm for a GOP volunteer in Florida.
Vote fraud and voter registration fraud were significant problems in at least a dozen states around the county. Vote fraud is a reality in America that occurred not only in large battleground states like Wisconsin but in places like Alabama and Kentucky. The record indicates that in 2004, voter registration fraud was mainly the work of so-called nonpartisan groups such as Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN) and NAACP National Voter Fund. Examples include:
* Joint task force in Wisconsin found clear evidence of fraud in the Nov. 2 election in Milwaukee, including more than 200 felon voters, more than 100 double voters and thousands more ballots cast than voters recorded as having voted in the city.
* NAACP National Voter Fund worker in Ohio paid crack cocaine in exchange for a large number of fraudulent voter registration cards in names of Dick Tracy, Mary Poppins and other fictional characters.
* Former ACORN worker said there was a lot of fraud committed by group in Florida, as ACORN workers submitted thousands of fraudulent registrations in a dozen states across the country, resulting in a statewide investigation of the group in Florida and multiple indictments and convictions of ACORN/Project Vote workers for voter registration fraud in several states.
I think democrats are already well versed in foul play…
How about this for dumb democrats:
Kathleen Blanco (D) LA is signing an abortion ban in LA?
What’up wit dat Ollie?
I thought it was only the eviiiil right wing christian republicans that did that sort of thing?
“The Dems know nothing of hardball politics”
Speaking as someone who lives in Philly, I almost don’t know where to start, that statement is so absurdly stupid.
Where’d you get that laughable list? Michelle Malkin? The Dems know nothing of hardball politics, the GOP institutes it from the top on down.
Ollie how about rebutting all those things on the list? Your blanket condemnation of “the list” without a single refutation of anything on it speaks volumes…
I ll never understand where Democrats get off thinking that their way is the best way and the only way, such that anyone who doesn t vote Democrat must be some gullible white, trailer-park idiot and any election won by a Republican must be the result of dirty tricks.
Maybe you understand why so-called “religious conservatives” fall for the “marriage protection” amendment stunt (like Bush really cares) while at the same time voting for a republican congress that refuses to even talk about raising the minimum wage, do anything to come up with an energy policy, other than more tax breaks for the oil companies (as they are not making enough of the backs of American consumers already) or provide any hint of oversight of an adminstration that is hell bent on their way, whether it is against the law or not.
Ollie-
Are you challenging the entire list, or a particular item? I’ll be glad to get you some more info if you need it.
Bushwacked, the way you describe Conservative positions leads me to believe that you consider holding said positions to be immoral, even more immoral than “stealing” elections. And that’s why you’re able to justify the Left’s “everything’s fair” tactics, because the bigger sin is to let Republicans hold the reigns of power.
Would JayC call the Republicans “babies” were the situation the exact mirror opposite of how it is now?
One more thing: The reason you hate the Republicans (after watching them awhile I cam to the same conclusion) is that no decent African American who cares about his community would join them. Joining the GOP is not unlike joining the confederacy. But its clear that the DNC is indifferent, at best, to African American needs, and the rest of the base for that matter. Even if the DNC retakes congress it looks like most of the folks running are DLC people. Don’t expect major policy shifts.
This is intolerable. I think black voters would be better off with a second choice but it can’t be the confederacy. I really think that in the big cities blacks should help build the Green Party. This way you could start building a third party and give African Americans and other progressive voters some real choices, at least at the local level…
coupla quick points:
On instapundit: What the instapundit left out is that there have been debates with alleged left debunkers against the badass investigative trio of Palast, Fitrakis and Mark Crispin Miller. Miller destroyed the Mother Jones guy in a democracy now debate and I think he agreed that there should have been an investigation! Now, your usual right wing shill just copys stuff (like you) but Glenn knows that these particular writers have rebutted (successfully I think) all comers on their sites and blogs, Free Press and News From the Underground. But he won’t bother to tell you that! I’m sorry but I found the Instapundit brand of “truthiness” to be particularly evil…
On vote fraud by dems: There’s actually was a big Ira Glass NPR radio special on this very topic where they ran down this laundry list of DNC fraud (which has allowed us to steal two presidential elections? Huh? What? We’re not doing a very effective job…) and came to the right conclusion: Even if that’s a given that’s only several thousand votes stolen across the country, not enough to turn an election. I also blame ACORN–yet another left leaning org that’s awful, just awful to work for, because they pay by the voter registation and they have high quotas. But fake registrations don’t vote and ACORN isn’t organized well enough to pull that off anyway!
Final thought, some of the math in this scares me. I’m not a stat guy. You sort of have to look at the overall pattern of the GOP and how they do things with coups in Venezuela, and puppets in both Afghanistan and Iraq to come to the obvious conclusion that they stole, with the same “caging” tactics that they used in Florida and plan to use in 2006 and 2008.
The tire-slashing was by a few rogue people, Acorn’s problems are because of Acorn’s structure. Again, GOP schemes are enacted from the GOP chairmanship and above, the few Dem vote shenanigans are far from central HQ and as noted above – they aren’t exactly winning elections for us, eh?
That’s some pretty intriguing spin: “Even though we’re cheating, it’s not working. Therefore, it’s okay to cheat!”
You can do better.
OK Ollie, how about this one:
New Hampshire’s landscape is peppered with campaign signs, but some of them are fake.
Some Bush-Cheney signs look real but were actually placed by the state’s Democratic Party. One reads, “A sales tax is a fair tax.” Another one states, “The courage to ban stem cell research.”
The Republican Party said both statements are false. The signs were found in Merrimack, Derry, Pelham and Hudson.
Kathleen Strand, of the state Democratic Party, said Democrats got the idea from the Republicans, who she said used similar tactics in the governor’s race in 2002. One sign from that campaign that appeared to support Democrat Jeanne Shaheen read, “The courage to raise taxes.”
Republican Executive Committee Chairwoman Jayne Millerick called the signs, “an 11th-hour attempt by the Democratic Party.”
Ollie, is the state democratic party a rogue element?
Oliver, the whole notion of ‘dirty tricks’ belies progressive ideology, you fucking hypocrite.