I guess there hasn’t been any illegal surveillance then eh, comrade?

Pedro you’re an idiot and a dipshit. The argument has never been against surveilance, just illegal surveilance. See the difference? Obviously not.

Oh, and I am an MD, not a Phd…

“A government official, speaking on condition of anonymity because of the ongoing investigation, said Web surfing and e-mail among the suspects led to the start of the probe in 2004.

“The Internet was, according to the police, was a very important part of their activities,” Canada’s ambassador to Washington, Michael Wilson, said in an interview on CNN’s “Late Edition.”
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20060605/D8I1PIE80.html

At Fact, your sarcasm is telling. If your only “argument” against the current facts is to make up snarky little stories, it lets the rest of us know that you don’t actually have any good rebuttal.

They are innocent until proven guilty. What you and dugger and others keep overlooking is that the dust up over this was about what the military investigation into Haditha was expected to report, namely that marines fired on civilians unprovoked. You keep overlooking this because you want to blame the New York Times for pre-judging the marines when all the Times did was to report on what the military itself is expected to say. If you refuse to see the difference between the two things, well, I’m not surprised. You are, afterall, idiots.

At the same time, Murtha himself released a statement asserting his faith in the fairness of the military justice system before acknowledging that the fog of war may have played a role in the situation. http://www.house.gov/apps/list/press/pa12_murtha/PRhaditha.html
Of course you ignore that as well. Because you are, again, a total idiot.

the press has chosen to ignore Richard Jefferson

I would too, ever since Vince Carter joined the team.

By constantly reporting on the Yankees, who come from that liberal bastion of New York, the press has chosen to ignore Richard Jefferson. They are sending a subtle signal that even a mere baseball team is more important than Democratic alleged crimes.

/sarcasm

I believe your quote was “how can we believe the accusation of a right wing group” right?

Why not give our men the benefit of innocent until proven guilty?

It didn’t happen last week, it happened 48 hours ago; right about this time Friday evening. And already there are more than a 1,000 newspaper articles and thousands of blogposts about it.

If you do a search for “My Lai” you find 2.25 million references, but if you search for “Emma Valdez” in today’s news you ony find 5 references. (She was shot in Indiana yesterday.) I’d be interested in Dan Riehl’s conclusions from that.

You know, you want to wait for years to determine if Jefferson REALLY was taking 100K bribe, as seen on a video tape. But when something happens thousands of miles away, in the fog of war…yup, no question, that young Marine just killed in cold blood.

Why the double standard? Is it because we expect a black democrat from new orleans to be corrupt? It isn’t therefore newsworthy?

Liberals do not hate conservatives the way cons hate us. Aside from the ruling class, liberals mostly see conservatives as confused in the way they see the world. As you’re evidence of, and as many other cons are – you see us as the enemy.

Cover it reasonably. Give the Marines their investigation and possibly day in court though. I note that your tone has become more moderate toward the Marines, less Murthized, and I applaud that. We (Amercians) want our fighting forces to be Captain-America like in their squeaking cleaness.

Your other point of what is newsworthy is well taken. And it really points out how journalist can drive public opinion as well, not nefariously or as biased observers, but simply by how they report things.
When you have free society with free media, every wart and every pimple of that society becomes newsworthy, particularly if it is a very ethical one. The lapses are news. But when you have a despotic dictator such as Saddam, not a word gets out, or as you put it, it isn’t news. This tends to drive the opinions of people. After all, if all they see about the US is the bad stuff (since it is newsworthy) and all they see about the despot is good stuff (likewise out of character and newsworthy, more importantly, all the government will let out), you are going to see the good guys as the bad guys.

I truly believe this is how the left wing in america is driven into its hatred of conservatives and I honestly think to some extent this country. The conservatives belief the best of America, so they understand the bad news is a “blip”. The liberals believe the media is “unbiased”, so it is easy to find ways to hate the way things are done.

What should the realistic standard be? Obviously perfection would be nice…but what about a working standard?

The media has covered Haditha up,down and sideways, without an actual report being available yet.

Yet something that happened last week, in the middle of a western country full of journalists and we get a vague “some misguided yoots (about 50% of them named Mohammed) had 3 tons of ammonium nitrate and remote control detanators….move along, nothing to see here…”

This is “ok” in Ollie and the flaming leftists world?