Ben Ferguson is one of the young brainwashed who is sort of a mini-Limbaugh. He came to the conservative movement as a kid, and was soon put in the pipeline, with his own book and everything, in a way that young liberals have so far not been afforded (hopefully this is now changing). Young Ben apparently spends a good amount of time on cable television comparing military service to playing for the Yankees as a way of explaining why he hasn’t signed up yet, but what’s interesting to me is that like most Republican hypocrites, Ferguson lectures at length about chastity and purity but couldn’t keep his hands off the young woman I saw him with in Union Station. (more on Ferguson here)
RHODES: Once you’ve served, you come back, and you’re suddenly a liberal. ::BZZZZT!:: Wrong!
And, if he doesn’t join, so what?
I guarantee that he if was opposed to the was, no one would care that he didn’t go.
If it’s so “BZZZT Wrong!”, then why are the overwhelming majority of returned Iraqi war vets running for Congress this year doing so as Democrats?
So according to that logic all pro-abortion liberals should have abortions? I mean, if you support the cause you should really go the distance.
Frank, that’s kind of the point.
Frank is disappearing up his own asshole and can see light at the other end.
“So according to that logic all pro-abortion liberals should have abortions? I mean, if you support the cause you should really go the distance.”
Look, it’s trying to think …
Why are the overwhelming majority of returned Iraqi war vets running for Congress this year doing so as Democrats?
If true — and I’ll wait for evidence, if you don’t mind — it is still a non sequitur.
The majority of them are liberals. Are most lawyers liberals?
The majority of them are men.
Are most men liberals?
The majority of them are white.
Are most white men liberals?
To anyone that’s accused someone of being a chickenhawk:
First: Do you believe our society needs police officers and firefighters? If you do, and you’re neither a police officer or firefighter, why are you not a chickenhawk?
Second: do you not agree with the Contiution that the military should be subject to civilian authority? If so, do you believe that the founding fathers consider these civilians to be chickenhawks?
Labelling a civilian supporter of our military, and their missions, a chickenhawk is a worthless position that only betrays the lack of thought demonstrated by the labeller.
-phil
Correction: not all those former soldiers, running for Congress, served in Iraq.
Rheinhard spewed forth:
O’RLY?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11225344
So, according to this article, there are 95 Iraq Veterans running for Congress, 42% as Republicans and 58% as Democrats. I do not think overwhelming means what you think it means.
Rheinhard, don’t let this stop you being a loyal disciple of Randi Rhodes. You can always fall-back on the Liberal Mantra: Fake but Accurate.
-phil
Actually, factcheck, Rhodes did not claim that the majority of running Iraq veterans are DEMS. She said:
Which is ridiculous on its face. And, yes, I did miss that part of the article referring to the number of former-soldiers who actually served in Iraq. I implied as much in my quick follow-up. Simply-put: I goofed. I did not lie. But, you see, people like yourself aren’t interested in rational, civil discourse, which is why call your opponents liars and racists, to the point that those words hardly have any meaning left in them.
-phil
Let Dr Dugger help here.
To a large extent the person who runs for Congress must first be vetted by the party apparatus and if said candidate doesn’t firt the mold the aprty masters decide is needed – he’s outta here. Witness poor veteran paul hackett who was given the heave-ho by the Democratic party elite.
So the Democrat elite are at least smart enough to understand they have a toughness, security, miltary -call it what you want- problem with the public. How do they fix that? By selecting veterans as candidates, of course, and trying to fool the American people into believing that a miltiary background is automatically equatable to military/defense wisdom (which it ain’t – but then the party elite are so out of touch with the military, they have no idea, themselves). If there are 200,000 or so Iraqi veterans, there are enough Democrats and liberals in that Republican majority mix to fill 10 or so slots in the Democratic party.
Dugger, This is THE correct analysis and you heard it here first
From philes article, which he apparently didn’t read.
“By one count, at least 11 veterans of the Iraq war or Afghanistan are hoping to get elected to the House or Senate, all but one of them Democrats.”
Would you consider 10 out of 11 “overwhelming”? RIF
Interesting that you followed your misstatements (lies) with
“Rheinhard, don t let this stop you being a loyal disciple of Randi Rhodes. You can always fall-back on the Liberal Mantra: Fake but Accurate.”
So what is it phile, is 58% rather than the real figure of 89% “fake but accurate”? Idiot.
I fail to understand what point you’re trying to make. What exactly is the conclusion to be drawn from the fact that the majority of the 9 Iraq veterans running for office, are running as Democrats? As for a presidential election, the candidate that wins the electoral college, whether by 5 or 100 votes, becomes president, and has a mandate to lead the country.
Again, what’s your point?
-phil
I don’t know phile, your pResident claimed that 51% to 48% was a mandate, so describing 58% to 42% as overwhelming isn’t such a stretch.
Because the Republican “vets” aren’t vets yet, they re-enlisted. The Democrats served their time and quit as quick as they could.
“Rheinhard, don t let this stop you being a loyal disciple of Randi Rhodes. You can always fall-back on the Liberal Mantra: Fake but Accurate.”
Is this an example of your civil discourse?
Farris seems to have an inside scoop on all the registered Republican soldiers who would plan on coming back and running for office. Some kinda GOP cavalry, it seems.
Also, Farris seems to believe that a soldier deciding to fulfill their obligated tour of duty is simply not good enough, and that those who re-enlist are “better” soldiers. Which is a very nice oversimplification.
And Dugger, your example is entertaining and a good lesson for us all. The Republicans must be very happy to let anybody into their ranks without having to be vetted by the party power structure first, the way you’d imply.
I don’t know, Farris’s argument would seem to be supported by the fact that 70+% of the military is republican….
“So according to that logic all pro-abortion liberals should have abortions? I mean, if you support the cause you should really go the distance.”
HA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HAAH AHAAA HAHAHA HA
Logic, my dear numpty, merely enables one to be wrong with authority.
And are that 70% planning to come back and run for office? Or is the only reason they haven’t because they’re more manly than Democratic soldiers?
“so it s a bit like pretending a poll at LGF represents the views of sane people”
Was sipping a beverage when I read you post. You owe me a new keyboard.
I don t know, Farris s argument would seem to be supported by the fact that 70+% of the military is republican& .
Highly doubtful.
“Dr”P’s “evidence” will unquestionably be a MilitaryTimes.com snap poll. Of course, MilitaryTimes is a right-leaning military-themed site–so it’s a bit like pretending a poll at LGF represents the views of sane people.
From The Washington Post – December 26, 2003
Democrats fight for veterans’ votes
BD,
Why thanks.
“And Dugger, your example is entertaining and a good lesson for us all.”
Actually, I think the same is mostly true of the Republican party structure, but then the topic was sort whether there were lots of vets running as Dems.
Dugger
the hypocrisy of the lefties is in full bloom in these posts…..
On the one hand, those of us who HAVE served have no extra validity…but a guy who HASN”T served also has no validity.
On the one hand, Hillary Clinton’s private life is verboten….but who this guy is playing tonsil hockey with in a train station is front page news…
Hypocrite, thy name is Liberal….
yea jade, the most telling part of your post is the headline
Democrats “fight” for veterans vote.
“Veterans are not as prone to be republicans as four years ago”
Whoa….the republicans are doomed! Clearly our fighting men and women are rushing to become liberals, they aren’t as “prone” to be republicans anymore!
trying to fool the American people into believing that a miltiary background is automatically equatable to military/defense wisdom (which it ain t…
Coming from one(Dugger) of the three people (the other two being Frank and Pedro) who have from time to time trumpeted their military backgrounds as irrefutable evidence of their military “wisdom” in a multitude of discussions, I have to say “thanks” for pointing out the obvious.
Is it just me, or has the quality of trolling around here really fallen as of late? Some of the newer (to me, anyway) trolls come off as being so dense that I am afraid to respond to them for fear of being accused of harassing the mentally disabled. I’m especially amused with the support they get from the more “established” trolls who pat them on the back and give them a hearty thumbs up for their efforts. Are they serious or are they merely trying to bolster their (non)argument with the appearance of solidarity? More rightwing group think? Stupidity loves company?
Back to the issue at hand,
I actually am quite embarrased by this guy. My name also happens to be Ben Ferguson, so I did a double take when seeing this post, then remembered that I had heard of this guy sometime ago. It turns out that (at the time) he hosted a very obscure local talk-show and was a staunch right-winger.Seemed a little strange then. Now this guy apparently is getting big time press.
So I’m hoping this guy fades into obscurity, both for the fact that he is a spoiled rich kid who lacks morals, and for the fact that he’s an embarrasment to my name. I’d hate to have everyone question my sanity when I tell them my name.
Sundown, have you ever seen Office Space? One of the main characters is named Michael Bolton, and he seems to have the same problem. His line was “Why should I change my name, it’s him that sucks.”
But you have nothing to fear from young Ben. His press consists of having his ass handed to him by Randi Rhodes on Lou Dobbs.
Bill L
Pardon me, but you are full of doodoo. Have never done this. Quite the opposite.
“Coming from one(Dugger) of the three people (the other two being Frank and Pedro) who have from time to time trumpeted their military backgrounds as irrefutable evidence of their military wisdom in a multitude of discussions, I have to say thanks for pointing out the obvious.”
Dugger
“The Democrats served their time and quit as quick as they could.”
Just stunning. How is that not an evil thing to say?
Ferris, how much time did you serve? Unlike you, I am grateful for ALL vets who served, whether 1 day, 1 year, or 30 years, Democrat, Republican, or other.
Though I am not obliged to agree with them on any point.