Comments on: Oliver Willis, Kingmaker

By: roche

roche — Tue, 23 May 2006 22:05:06 +0000

Dana–

Well, Gore actually did win in 2000.

By: Hamilton Lovecraft

Hamilton Lovecraft — Tue, 23 May 2006 05:05:27 +0000

Rice vs. Clinton – Rice wins all three debates, and 30 states, 301 electoral votes

Bring it on. Rice is the only woman in GOP politics who can make Clinton look likeable.

By: Mike

Mike — Mon, 22 May 2006 20:05:29 +0000

To Dana and everyone else:

I think Oliver’s list is way off the mark too … IF the Democrats want a prayer of winning in ’08. Why? It’s the same list of has-beens and retreads that keep popping up year after year after year.

If the Dems want to win, they need to find another Bill Clinton. I mean a relatively unknown yet effective governor without Washington DC baggage, around whom the party can build a popular candidacy. Bill Richardson might be that man.

Richardson is not a divisive figure and he is not known as a hard-core liberal. Remember how well those hard-core liberals do in presidential races? McGovern? Dukakis? And Richardson (as far as we know) doesn’t have nearly the connections to scandal that plagued Bill and hillary.

By: Jadegold

Jadegold — Mon, 22 May 2006 00:05:36 +0000

Just one question, Mr Willis: where do you find a winner in all of that? Maybe Governor Richardson, but the rest all look like losers to me. And I m not sure that Mr Richardson could win in the Democratic primaries.

I think there are probably 3 or 4 potential winners in that list. And probably a darkhorse who could surprise everyone.

Plus, I’d not be surprised to see John Kerry again.

And let’s look at the other side of the equation: the GOP.

McCain: Not a real favorite of the GOP mainstream. Plus, he’ll be 72 in 2008–making him older than Reagan when he was elected in 1980.

Frist: Hahhahahaha. I’d love to see Frist as the GOP nominee and I say that as a Dem partisan.

Giuliani: He’s pretending he’s running–just for the attention. A pro-gay, pro-choice, messy divorce and infidelities, and some assorted NYC corruption for the GOP nomination? Naaah.

Newtie: He’s trying very hard to rehabilitate the image but he just can’t himself sometimes.

Huckabee: Who?

Jeb: Bush fatigue.

By: Frank_D

Frank_D — Sun, 21 May 2006 20:05:38 +0000

I’m not sure why you’re calling me fabulous…

Is it because I am good at creating fables, or because I am the stuff of legends?

By: Dana

Dana — Sun, 21 May 2006 17:05:45 +0000

Fabulous Frank wrote:

The idea that southerners won t vote for a black candidate is a myth, that I defy you to disprove.

I'd add here that the only black man ever elected governor since Reconstruction was Virginia's Douglas Wilder, a moderate Democrat, who governed as a centrist as well as campaigned as one. (He's moved more to the left now that he's the Mayor of Richmond.)

By: Dana

Dana — Sun, 21 May 2006 17:05:02 +0000

Our honored hosts line-up for 2008:

1. Al Gore – right on Iraq, right on global warming, right, right, right
2. John Edwards – owned up on Iraq, his time is now
3. Mark Warner (tie) – being a governor is a plus, but he s gotta show me something
3. Hillary Clinton (tie) – the juggernaut with no definition
4. Russ Feingold – right on the issues, but too many roadblocks
5. Evan Bayh – probably too conservative for my tastes, but could make a splash somehow
6. Bill Richardson – Wildcard. He s a governor, riverboat gambler, and part of the New West

Just one question, Mr Willis: where do you find a winner in all of that? Maybe Governor Richardson, but the rest all look like losers to me. And I’m not sure that Mr Richardson could win in the Democratic primaries.

By: Frank_D

Frank_D — Sun, 21 May 2006 02:05:54 +0000

I asked you for evidence that southern Republicans won’t vote for a black candidate, and you want me to predict the outcome of the 2008 election, without knowing who the candidates are.
I get it.
You — and about a zillion other Denocratics — have been saying the same thing for so long, you’ve never had to demonstrate the truth of it.
When I ask for some evidence, I’m called a troll.

By: Rounds77

Rounds77 — Sun, 21 May 2006 01:05:52 +0000

For president? I defy you to prove that could ever happen.

By: Frank_D

Frank_D — Sat, 20 May 2006 23:05:15 +0000

I’m not going through all that again. The polls are of Republicans and Democratics, white and black, men and women.
That’s how I know.
The idea that southerners won’t vote for a black candidate is a myth, that I defy you to disprove.

By: Rounds77

Rounds77 — Sat, 20 May 2006 21:05:41 +0000

Frank, what makes you think she’s popular with African Americans? I haven’t seen any polls, but I don’t know any African Americans who have any respect for her. Besides, you think Buba in S.C., the likes of which make up a huge bulk of your enlightened party, would ever vote for anything other than a white male?

By: Frank_D

Frank_D — Sat, 20 May 2006 21:05:03 +0000

I could swear I clicked “submit” after I typed that other comment…

By: Orwellian

Orwellian — Sat, 20 May 2006 20:05:01 +0000

No mention at all of Joe Biden? He’s the one person who we can say with absolute certainty is a candidate at this very moment.

By: Frank_D

Frank_D — Sat, 20 May 2006 19:05:55 +0000

LB, she has said she doesn't want to run. A little different. She has very little baggage. According to the pollsters, she's the most popular member of the administration. Right now, the only Republicans running away from Bush, are doing so in Oliver's feverish imagination, or they are running to the right. duros: If you don't believe Bush, why believe Rice? What are you saying, liberals won't vote for her? They didn't vote for Bush, either. She will get more women, blacks and hispanics than he did -- which will cut into Sen. Clinton's purported base.

By: duros62

duros62 — Sat, 20 May 2006 19:05:44 +0000

She will get more women, blacks and hispanics than he did which will cut into Sen. Clinton s purported base.
Stop it, Frank, you’re killin’ me.
No one could have anticipated how low her level of credibility could have become.

By: duros62

duros62 — Sat, 20 May 2006 19:05:22 +0000

Wouldn’t it be nice if people voted based on the content of a person’s character and not on the color of their skin?
I had this dream…. but now I can’t remember it.

By: Leroy Brown

Leroy Brown — Sat, 20 May 2006 17:05:39 +0000

Except Rice has said over and over she isn’t running… And besides, she has got a ton of baggage. If most republicans are trying to distance themselves from Bush, being his lapdog isn’t the best way to run.

By: Frank_D

Frank_D — Sat, 20 May 2006 17:05:36 +0000

Rice vs. Clinton
Rice wins all three debates, and 30 states, 301 electoral votes

By: White Whale

White Whale — Sat, 20 May 2006 17:05:33 +0000

Still dreaming? You are delusional about this Frank, but at least you stick by your woman. I think the Southern baptists will not take too kindly to a woman running the show. Just my opinion based on the amount of rasicts I encounter in the South, but a black woman is also a hard sell. I have always said that a women NEEDS to win the presidency and so then an African American, Asian, etc… can win. Women got thier right to vote and then eventually blacks were treated as equal citizens. Coming from a white male, I am just aliiiiitle tired of seing the same sort of people run our country. I think Big Head Bill will cry if the almighty white christian power structure is broken.

By: duros62

duros62 — Sat, 20 May 2006 17:05:01 +0000

Plus the fact she’s a bad liar.