Comments on: Superman: Eleventh Hour http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/05/10/superman-eleventh-hour/ Like Kryptonite To Stupid Sat, 11 Feb 2012 06:30:02 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.4 By: Frank_D http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/05/10/superman-eleventh-hour/#comment-33679 Frank_D Fri, 12 May 2006 22:05:08 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=1985#comment-33679 Also Superman was less strong in the Fleischer cartoons than he was later in the comics... He might not have been able to take on the whole Japanese homeland Amed Forces. Also Superman was less strong in the Fleischer cartoons than he was later in the comics…
He might not have been able to take on the whole Japanese homeland Amed Forces.

]]> By: Frank_D http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/05/10/superman-eleventh-hour/#comment-33678 Frank_D Fri, 12 May 2006 21:05:55 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=1985#comment-33678 What if those stinkin' Japs got their hands on some Kryptonite? What if those stinkin’ Japs got their hands on some Kryptonite?

]]> By: duros62 http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/05/10/superman-eleventh-hour/#comment-33677 duros62 Fri, 12 May 2006 20:05:51 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=1985#comment-33677 Even Superman was a patriot in World War II& I understand that, Frank. I wonder why he felt the need to sneak around in the cover of darkness to do his nefariousness? He's freakin' Superman fa chrissake! What's he hiding for? Even Superman was a patriot in World War II&

I understand that, Frank. I wonder why he felt the need to sneak around in the cover of darkness to do his nefariousness? He’s freakin’ Superman fa chrissake! What’s he hiding for?

]]> By: Frank_D http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/05/10/superman-eleventh-hour/#comment-33676 Frank_D Fri, 12 May 2006 00:05:49 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=1985#comment-33676 Mike: If I remember correctly, Elmer Fudd was in a cartoon where he was a Civil Defense guy. You don't suppose he monitored phone calls to Japan, do you? And you can get the Fleischer stuff on DVD. I have some. Mike: If I remember correctly, Elmer Fudd was in a cartoon where he was a Civil Defense guy. You don’t suppose he monitored phone calls to Japan, do you?
And you can get the Fleischer stuff on DVD. I have some.

]]> By: Mike http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/05/10/superman-eleventh-hour/#comment-33675 Mike Thu, 11 May 2006 23:05:28 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=1985#comment-33675 Frank - Imagine people's horror when they learn that during WWII, Bugs Bunny and Daffy Duck were on our side too. :-) Oliver - Nice to see some of the old Fleischer stuff again. I noticed that in one of the Superman videos from a few weeks ago that was supposed to be a nostalgia trip about the legacy of Superman, the Fleischer stuff was missing. Twenty or so years ago, someone released a videocassette of about a dozen of these cartoons. Wonder if they are available on DVD now? They were groundbreaking in their day, because Fleischer designed them to literally be comic books come to life. Frank -

Imagine people’s horror when they learn that during WWII, Bugs Bunny and Daffy Duck were on our side too. :-)

Oliver -

Nice to see some of the old Fleischer stuff again. I noticed that in one of the Superman videos from a few weeks ago that was supposed to be a nostalgia trip about the legacy of Superman, the Fleischer stuff was missing. Twenty or so years ago, someone released a videocassette of about a dozen of these cartoons. Wonder if they are available on DVD now? They were groundbreaking in their day, because Fleischer designed them to literally be comic books come to life.

]]> By: Frank_D http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/05/10/superman-eleventh-hour/#comment-33674 Frank_D Thu, 11 May 2006 23:05:04 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=1985#comment-33674 Even Superman was a patriot in World War II... The memo that it was patriotic to oppose your country didn't come out until about 1968. Even Superman was a patriot in World War II…
The memo that it was patriotic to oppose your country didn’t come out until about 1968.

]]> By: duros62 http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/05/10/superman-eleventh-hour/#comment-33673 duros62 Thu, 11 May 2006 21:05:49 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=1985#comment-33673 Superman is supposed to be apoliti... oh, never mind. Superman is supposed to be apoliti… oh, never mind.

]]> By: Frank_D http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/05/10/superman-eleventh-hour/#comment-33672 Frank_D Thu, 11 May 2006 19:05:15 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=1985#comment-33672 During World war II? You <i>are</i> young! During World war II? You are young!

]]> By: duros62 http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/05/10/superman-eleventh-hour/#comment-33671 duros62 Thu, 11 May 2006 18:05:13 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=1985#comment-33671 Frank, don't get all snarky. You know what I mean. Superman is supposed to be apolitical. Frank, don’t get all snarky. You know what I mean. Superman is supposed to be apolitical.

]]> By: Frank_D http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/05/10/superman-eleventh-hour/#comment-33670 Frank_D Thu, 11 May 2006 17:05:26 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=1985#comment-33670 Right, duros, there was a flourishing anti - war movement in those days. Superman would have been much more heroic if he had joined them - all two of them - at the barricades. Right, duros, there was a flourishing anti – war movement in those days. Superman would have been much more heroic if he had joined them – all two of them – at the barricades.

]]> By: duros62 http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/05/10/superman-eleventh-hour/#comment-33669 duros62 Thu, 11 May 2006 17:05:07 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=1985#comment-33669 I understand the relevence of the times and all, but it shakes my confidence in Superman when he is used as a terrorist bomber and clandestine saboteur by the government. I understand the relevence of the times and all, but it shakes my confidence in Superman when he is used as a terrorist bomber and clandestine saboteur by the government.

]]> By: Frank_D http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/05/10/superman-eleventh-hour/#comment-33668 Frank_D Thu, 11 May 2006 12:05:08 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=1985#comment-33668 If I may pick a nit: <b>rac·ism</b> (r's-z'Ym) pronunciation <i>n</i>. 1. The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others. 2. Discrimination or prejudice based on race. <b>ster·e·o·type</b>(str'-Y-t+p', stîr'-) pron. <i>n</i>. 1. A conventional, formulaic, and oversimplified conception, opinion, or image. <b>car·i·ca·ture</b> (kr'--kY-chŠr', -chYr) pron. <i>n.</i> 1. A representation, especially pictorial or literary, in which the subject's distinctive features or peculiarities are deliberately exaggerated to produce a comic or grotesque effect. 2. The art of creating such representations. If I may pick a nit:

rac·ism (r’s-z’Ym) pronunciation n.
1. The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
2. Discrimination or prejudice based on race.

ster·e·o·type(str’-Y-t+p’, stîr’-) pron. n.
1. A conventional, formulaic, and oversimplified conception, opinion, or image.

car·i·ca·ture (kr’--kY-chŠr’, -chYr) pron. n.
1. A representation, especially pictorial or literary, in which the subject’s distinctive features or peculiarities are deliberately exaggerated to produce a comic or grotesque effect.
2. The art of creating such representations.

]]> By: Frank_D http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/05/10/superman-eleventh-hour/#comment-33667 Frank_D Thu, 11 May 2006 05:05:42 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=1985#comment-33667 Another comment on "Hold"? Another comment on “Hold”?

]]> By: Oliver Willis http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/05/10/superman-eleventh-hour/#comment-33666 Oliver Willis Thu, 11 May 2006 05:05:04 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=1985#comment-33666 You don't think depicting Japanese as buck-toothed savages isn't just a teensy bit racist? I totally understand why it was done and the era in which it was done in, but from the perspective of 60 years later its silly to pretend. You don’t think depicting Japanese as buck-toothed savages isn’t just a teensy bit racist? I totally understand why it was done and the era in which it was done in, but from the perspective of 60 years later its silly to pretend.

]]> By: Frank_D http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/05/10/superman-eleventh-hour/#comment-33665 Frank_D Thu, 11 May 2006 04:05:40 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=1985#comment-33665 I noticed the waves were Disney - style (see <i>Fantasia</i>). I know Fleischer worked for Disney once, so who borrowed from whom? I was looking for the racism, but I didn't see any. I saw some caricature and stereotyping, but racism -- nope. Unless you're thinking the Japanes <a href="http://tinyurl.com/l7fey" rel="nofollow">never killed innocent civilians</a>. I noticed the waves were Disney – style (see Fantasia). I know Fleischer worked for Disney once, so who borrowed from whom?
I was looking for the racism, but I didn’t see any. I saw some caricature and stereotyping, but racism — nope.
Unless you’re thinking the Japanes never killed innocent civilians.

]]> By: elrod http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/05/10/superman-eleventh-hour/#comment-33664 elrod Thu, 11 May 2006 03:05:40 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=1985#comment-33664 My grandmother (Lillian Friedman Astor) was an animator for Fleischer in the early 1930s. She was, officially, the first woman animator and drew Betty Boop. When Fleischer moved his studios to Hollywood (to break up the cartoonists' union), my grandmother retired. My grandmother (Lillian Friedman Astor) was an animator for Fleischer in the early 1930s. She was, officially, the first woman animator and drew Betty Boop. When Fleischer moved his studios to Hollywood (to break up the cartoonists’ union), my grandmother retired.

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