Comments on: Oh Great, More Propaganda

By: SaveFarris

SaveFarris — Wed, 10 May 2006 13:05:44 +0000

The *acutal* position is that agencies should do their jobs, not Karl Rove s while they re on the taxpayer s dime.

They are. They shouldn’t be allowed to talk about it?

Funny how you think the unelected media should be in complete control of the public debate and not the very folks that the public voted into office.

By: Frank_D

Frank_D — Wed, 10 May 2006 12:05:50 +0000

fc: It’s silly, but’s OK by me…
Way irrelevant!

By: factcheck

factcheck — Wed, 10 May 2006 12:05:32 +0000

I guess it’s ok with the cons if we use the failures in Iraq when we talk about unrelated subjects.

“Barry Bonds has failed to win the hearts and minds of baseball fans, due to his arrogance- just like in our failed mission in Iraq”.

“The price of gasoline has soared to a new high- almost as much as our policy in Iraq has cost Americans.”

“The Republicans move to prohibit embryonic stem cell research is wasting American lives: not unlike our mission in Iraq.”

By: JWG

JWG — Wed, 10 May 2006 11:05:44 +0000

Shhh…the USDA works in Iraq and Afghanistan…but they shouldn’t say anything about it…it’s “propaganda” if you report about your mission when a Republican is in office. Just do your job and keep quiet about it.

By: JWG

JWG — Wed, 10 May 2006 11:05:04 +0000

This reminds me about how my superintendant asked that throughout the year teachers share with the press how their classroom activities are linked with people in the community so that the public is more aware of the school/community connections. According to Oliver and TomY, my superintendant is a bad, bad man.

By: Frank_D

Frank_D — Wed, 10 May 2006 07:05:05 +0000

From http://www.fas.usda.gov/aboutfas.asp "Around the globe, FAS responds to special needs as they arise, such as contributing to reconstruction efforts in Iraq and Afghanistan, including helping them develop appropriate agricultural institutions and policies." You and Oliver call it propagandizing. I call it supporting the war effort. Try it some time.

By: TomY

TomY — Wed, 10 May 2006 02:05:46 +0000

Show me where recycling White House propaganda is part of the FAS’s job. That’s the argument we’re having, not whether the FAS exists or not.

By: JWG

JWG — Wed, 10 May 2006 02:05:42 +0000

agencies should do their jobs

Yes, and when I link to the USDA mission stating that they “provide food aid and technical assistance to foreign countries” (which would include Iraq right now) you claim I’ve raised a strawman?

By: bryan

bryan — Wed, 10 May 2006 02:05:29 +0000

Goatchowder, this is why I had to take a backseat in my union (I used to represent a team of people in a successful co-operation with the management). The trouble is, you are then expected to give a damn about unionisation in Chad or St Nevis or some such, and sometimes you just don’t. And even if you’ve managed to improve productivity, quality of product, training, working arrangements and such, you still have some boot-faced official treating you like shit because you stick to the stuff that only affects you. It wasn’t worth it. So now, if somebody needs help with bullying, or with a free will (one of the best things IMO we do), I help out without all that nonsense.

By: TomY

TomY — Wed, 10 May 2006 01:05:44 +0000

Uh, *actual*, that is.

By: SaveFarris

SaveFarris — Wed, 10 May 2006 00:05:48 +0000

The subordination of every agency to the political arm of the White House is truly sickening.

The Dem Platform for 2006/8: Total F%#in’ Anarchy!

I can’t believe it’s now a major party’s position that the President shouldn’t be in charge of the Executive Branch … but there you go.

By: TomY

TomY — Wed, 10 May 2006 00:05:33 +0000

The subordination of every agency to the political arm of the White House is truly sickening. Can’t wait for the grownups to be in charge again. Hey, did the USDA grow that strawman for you, JWG?

By: JWG

JWG — Wed, 10 May 2006 00:05:10 +0000

that strawman for you, JWG?

Huh?

By: TomY

TomY — Wed, 10 May 2006 00:05:03 +0000

Another strawman grows. The *acutal* position is that agencies should do their jobs, not Karl Rove’s while they’re on the taxpayer’s dime. But you’re not interested in an honest debate, are you Farris?

By: JWG

JWG — Tue, 09 May 2006 23:05:54 +0000

People who think the job of the Dept. Of Agriculture is to provide CYA for a misplanned abortion of a war& and they re not ashamed of it. Amazing.

Your complete lack of understanding of the multiple missions carried out by the USDA is what's amazing. Shorter Oliver: "Those dumb hicks at the USDA should stick to growin' potatoes. What do they know about Iraq?"

By: Rheinhard

Rheinhard — Tue, 09 May 2006 22:05:22 +0000

Frank, your rather convenient gloss over the efforts to undermine Clinton as “merely” wagging the dog is quite telling. In fact there was a quite significant effort, especially on the part of House Republicans under persecuted Xtian Martyr Tom Delay, to paint any and all efforts of Clinton as “wagging the dog”, “war for Monica”, and misuse of the nation’s military for foreign adventures and the dreaded “nation building”.

Besides, I have no need to think “What can I do to drown the President in offal today?”, when at the moment he’s doing such a spectacular job of drowning himself without additional help.

By: Quaker in a Basement

Quaker in a Basement — Tue, 09 May 2006 21:05:50 +0000

Hello, Appearances. No, we haven’t seen Substance in quite some time.

By: TomY

TomY — Tue, 09 May 2006 21:05:48 +0000

“The worst thing he was ever accused of was the tail wagging the dog”

This is a lie. Let’s see, he was called murderer, rapist, drug smuggler, drug addict, draft dodger, flag burner, traitor, and communist. And that was just on Rush Limbaugh. You must not know any actual conservatives, do you, Frank?

By: Oliver Willis

Oliver Willis — Tue, 09 May 2006 21:05:16 +0000

Supporting the war effort doesn’t involve lying about the progress of the war, Frank. We tried that before (Vietnam) and it didn’t work. The President drowned himself, I can only help to point out the facts. If the facts are so bad that they demoralize people, maybe the work is to change the facts and not just layer on more rhetoric.

By: mr.curmudgeon

mr.curmudgeon — Tue, 09 May 2006 19:05:59 +0000

This is good news! The more good news the better. The reports of 30-40 corpses really seems to be dragging Frank, JWG and SF down.