I don’t doubt that a gay person can be conservative or republican. But the fact that most are well to do white men tells me everything I need to know about the republican party today.

AJ Pollack: 1) How does anyone know if, or when, anyone mentioned anything for the first time? Even the most public of figures speaks on many occasions without being transcribed…
2) How does a President get involved in a budgetary process that involves a half billion dollars over four years, on “something” without mentioning it?
3) How does someone “refuse to mention” something?
Mr. President, say it! Say it!
Shaking his head, “No”: MMpphh! MMpph!
It’s a dumb rhetorical device, not worthy of repetition…

I’d like to see that world, and if the Log Cabin folks can get us incrementally closer to that by reform from within, then they should go for it. Being gay doesn’t automatically mean you have to adopt a set of political fellow-travelers from the left side of the spectrum.

What’s really sad is that they’re letting themselves be used.

And like most things conservative, there’s this constant cherry picking of information in order to support whatever the agenda du jour is. I’ve read through Leviticus, and I wonder when we’re going to start punishing women for having sex during menestration. Last I checked, that was one hell of a legal abomination.

And your rant about Republicans and gays is irrelevant. We’re not discussing that.

Jay, give it a rest. Would you join a political party that said 1) your love is not legitimate 2) which is why you can’t get married and 3) which is why you can’t have sex EVER? Tell me you could do that and then tell me how much self respect you would have for yourself.

Which is why George Bush has so often expressed his respect and support for gays and the gay lifestyle. You talk about respect when the Republican base doesn’t even grant homosexuals the right to exist. The religious right tells gays that either they need to learn to be straight or they need to learn to live in the closet. What a wonderfully tolerant and respectful group the religious right is. And don’t tell me that assholes like Rove don’t look at these nutcases as a flock of sheep to be duped and manipulated, en masse. Conservatives sagging in the poles? Drag out the gay marriage boogeyman and we’ll get the rubes to flood the poles because they’re so fucking insecure in their own sexuality that the thought of two men somewhere expressing their love for each other sends them into a full tilt indentity crisis that only reducing a whole group of people to second class citizenship while bombing the fuck out of some two-bit third world country can set them right again.

If gay conservatives think they’re going to get respect from Republicans they’re kidding themselves.

Another one that doesn’t know any, but knows they have some kind of mental problem.

And need I remind you that it was a Democrat that wussed out on gays in the military and put in “don’t ask, don’t tell.” It was a Democrat that signed the ‘Defense of Marriage Act.’ Democrats have done nothing put pay lip service to homosexuals in order to secure votes all the while slapping themselves on the back over how wonderful they are. But where have they been? They do nothing, hoping the courts will bail them out.

In other words, Democrats are COWARDS.

Sorry, but Democrats see everybody as part of some kind of group. Individualism does not exist in the minds of Democrats and liberals. Think about it. You have the two seers here, Frameone and Oliver pontificating about conservative gays, calling them confused and saying they have no self-respect. Why would they do that? Because, like with blacks, they see them only as a group, not as individuals and believe there is either something wrong them or they are only motivated by their own greed.

To see people as individuals would mean that you offer a degree of respect for people to believe what they want and don’t write off their differing viewpoint as some kind of mental condition or greed.

Let’s remember the TX GOP party platform (when AWOL George was head of that organization) deemed homosexuality something that destroys “the fabric of American society.”

And let’s not forget many shakers and movers in the GOP are not just anti-gay but regard gays as something less than human. Let’s not forget a certain prominent GOP senator says that gays are “are antithetical to a healthy, stable, traditional family” and actually suggests being gay is akin to engaging in bestiality.

These are the bigots you run with, Jay Caruao.

Really? So Oliver doesn’t know any but says they are confused. You don’t know any but say they don’t have any self-respect.

It’s amazing the insight you twits have into people you don’t even freaking know.

Damn straight (no pun intended).

Scottie. Terry Dolan, Armstrong Williams.