Are gay Republicans. (via August)
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Yeah, Chase Foster has a problem, all right. He doesn’t know what the hell he’s talking about…
The link he suggested supported his claim that “the man who refused to mention the word AIDS for the first five years of his Presidency… ”
says this {date of press conference — Sep 17, 1985} : “I have been supporting it for more than 4 years now. “… over the last 4 years, and including what we have in the budget for ‘86, it will amount to over a half a billion dollars*
Second, he equates the cause of feminism with the cause of gays for no apparent reason.
* That means since 1981 — but maybe he never mentioned it.
Yeah. Guess they’re nothing but a bunch of fucking phonies in it only for the cash. More shuck and jive, just like the Uncle Tom Conservative Nigras.
They are clearly homophobic
That’s obvious. You can tell by the way they, uh, er, aah…
Wait a minute… It’ll come to me…
The way they do that, you know, that, uh…
“…abstinence and shame…”
No, they’re just confused. An argument can be made for black conservatism. The majority of Republicans, blinkered though they may be, aren’t racist. They are clearly homophobic, however.
No, they re just confused.
Really? And how many of them do you know personally enough to say that they are confused?
“And how many of them do you know personally enough to say that they are confused?”
I don’t know any gay conservatives because every gay person I do know has far more self-respect than to support a party that would relegate them to lives of abstinance and shame.
Rock Hudson was gay?
To be sure, there are gay conservatives.
Look at Ken Mehlman. Jeff Gannon. David Drier.
In any group, there will be those who are willing to sell out others in return for reward. Heck, there Jewish kapos in the Nazi death camps.
Don’t forget Ed Schrock, Jade. And that Republican fund raiser person who just got married to a man in Massachusetts about a year ago. Oh, Mary Cheney also. Don’t forget Rock Hudson.
You didn’t know that?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock_Hudson
Thank you rounds, for reminding us all that when you don’t give a special interest group what they want, that’s proof that you hate them…
See abortion, refusal to ban..
Let’s face it, most of mainstream America doesn’t care too much for gays. The proof is in the high percentage who vote to amend their state constitutions to deny them the right to marry. For gays, are the Dems really all that much better? Outside San Fran and NY (and DC Metro), there is miniscule support, overwhelming indifference and a good measure of disrespect.
Yeah, Chase Foster has a problem, all right. He doesn t know what the hell he s talking about&
The link he suggested supported his claim that the man who refused to mention the word AIDS for the first five years of his Presidency&
says this {date of press conference Sep 17, 1985} : I have been supporting it for more than 4 years now. & over the last 4 years, and including what we have in the budget for 86, it will amount to over a half a billion dollars*
And the statement, at that press conference, was the first time President Reagan ever mentioned the word AIDS. I verified this myself. If you have a citation of an earlier time he mentioned it, by all means provide the source and I’ll correct it. You can tell Wikipedia and the Associated Press to correct it as well.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronald_Reagan
http://bloggy.com/mt/archives/004145.html
http://www.aegis.com/topics/timeline/
http://www.indegayforum.org/news/show/26671.html
another deleted post, Oliver?
Gays are not a special interest group, Frank. They are American citizens who deserve all the rights enjoyed by all other American citizens.
Their affiliation is all the evidence you need. I don’t see many blacks joining the Klan.
So they have no agenda?
Look at Ken Mehlman. Jeff Gannon. David Drier.>>
Scottie. Terry Dolan, Armstrong Williams.
“They are American citizens who deserve all the rights enjoyed by all other American citizens.”
Damn straight (no pun intended).
I don t know any gay conservatives because every gay person I do know has far more self-respect than to support a party that would relegate them to lives of abstinance and shame.
Really? So Oliver doesn’t know any but says they are confused. You don’t know any but say they don’t have any self-respect.
It’s amazing the insight you twits have into people you don’t even freaking know.
Of course they’re confused, Jay Caruso.
Let’s remember the TX GOP party platform (when AWOL George was head of that organization) deemed homosexuality something that destroys “the fabric of American society.”
And let’s not forget many shakers and movers in the GOP are not just anti-gay but regard gays as something less than human. Let’s not forget a certain prominent GOP senator says that gays are “are antithetical to a healthy, stable, traditional family” and actually suggests being gay is akin to engaging in bestiality.
These are the bigots you run with, Jay Caruao.
Gays are not a special interest group, Frank.
Sorry, but Democrats see everybody as part of some kind of group. Individualism does not exist in the minds of Democrats and liberals. Think about it. You have the two seers here, Frameone and Oliver pontificating about conservative gays, calling them confused and saying they have no self-respect. Why would they do that? Because, like with blacks, they see them only as a group, not as individuals and believe there is either something wrong them or they are only motivated by their own greed.
To see people as individuals would mean that you offer a degree of respect for people to believe what they want and don’t write off their differing viewpoint as some kind of mental condition or greed.
Of course they re confused, Jay Caruso.
Another one that doesn’t know any, but knows they have some kind of mental problem.
And need I remind you that it was a Democrat that wussed out on gays in the military and put in “don’t ask, don’t tell.” It was a Democrat that signed the ‘Defense of Marriage Act.’ Democrats have done nothing put pay lip service to homosexuals in order to secure votes all the while slapping themselves on the back over how wonderful they are. But where have they been? They do nothing, hoping the courts will bail them out.
In other words, Democrats are COWARDS.
“To see people as individuals would mean that you offer a degree of respect for people to believe what they want and don t write off their differing viewpoint as some kind of mental condition or greed.”
Which is why George Bush has so often expressed his respect and support for gays and the gay lifestyle. You talk about respect when the Republican base doesn’t even grant homosexuals the right to exist. The religious right tells gays that either they need to learn to be straight or they need to learn to live in the closet. What a wonderfully tolerant and respectful group the religious right is. And don’t tell me that assholes like Rove don’t look at these nutcases as a flock of sheep to be duped and manipulated, en masse. Conservatives sagging in the poles? Drag out the gay marriage boogeyman and we’ll get the rubes to flood the poles because they’re so fucking insecure in their own sexuality that the thought of two men somewhere expressing their love for each other sends them into a full tilt indentity crisis that only reducing a whole group of people to second class citizenship while bombing the fuck out of some two-bit third world country can set them right again.
If gay conservatives think they’re going to get respect from Republicans they’re kidding themselves.
“It s amazing the insight you twits have into people you don t even freaking know.”
Jay, give it a rest. Would you join a political party that said 1) your love is not legitimate 2) which is why you can’t get married and 3) which is why you can’t have sex EVER? Tell me you could do that and then tell me how much self respect you would have for yourself.
And BTW, you’re right that the Democratic leadership has been woefully inadequate in the fight to support gay rights. And they ought to be equally ashamed of themselves.
Frame, I’m not gay, so I can’t answer your questions. The point is, you and Oliver don’t know any of these people, but you insult them by saying they have no self-respect or say they have some kind of mental defect in order to be Republicans or be conservative. It’s an absurd thing to say.
And your rant about Republicans and gays is irrelevant. We’re not discussing that.
Just visit Ann Althouse and read the “moderate” comments in her post about having second graders read “King and King” (a book similar to Heather has two mommies.)
Frank, I’ll tell you who has an agenda, it’s the fundamentalist christians, who are hell bent on confusing the populace into thinking that gays are an abomination to God and that they should be punished for their sins. These “christians” also want to confuse everyone into thinking that being gay is a “lifestyle choice”, and to grant them equal rights is the same as granting them sepcial rights. Of course the facts don’t mesh with any of this, but the right never really had much respect for the facts, do they.
And like most things conservative, there’s this constant cherry picking of information in order to support whatever the agenda du jour is. I’ve read through Leviticus, and I wonder when we’re going to start punishing women for having sex during menestration. Last I checked, that was one hell of a legal abomination.
Re: Log Cabin Republicans — In an ideal world, neither major party (nor any other party, ideally) would pander to racists or bigots. It’d be nice to see a Republican party where bigots were marginalized, and where legitimate policy issues ruled the politics.
I’d like to see that world, and if the Log Cabin folks can get us incrementally closer to that by reform from within, then they should go for it. Being gay doesn’t automatically mean you have to adopt a set of political fellow-travelers from the left side of the spectrum.
What’s really sad is that they’re letting themselves be used.
“And like most things conservative, there s this constant cherry picking”, he says, as he quotes a verse from a huge, huge, book, about which more has been written than the Civil War.
AJ Pollack: 1) How does anyone know if, or when, anyone mentioned anything for the first time? Even the most public of figures speaks on many occasions without being transcribed…
2) How does a President get involved in a budgetary process that involves a half billion dollars over four years, on “something” without mentioning it?
3) How does someone “refuse to mention” something?
Mr. President, say it! Say it!
Shaking his head, “No”: MMpphh! MMpph!
It’s a dumb rhetorical device, not worthy of repetition…
Three little words: rich, white, male.
I don’t doubt that a gay person can be conservative or republican. But the fact that most are well to do white men tells me everything I need to know about the republican party today.
Thank you, nurse pam, for reminding us that there are no rich white males in the Democratic Party.
Nope. Not. One.
It’s interesting to see a lot of posts on this topic by frank, who believes himself to be ’stalked’ on OW’s blog by at least three homosexuals.
buma, do I really want to hear why you think that’s “interesting”? I’m sure you’re busting to tell me.