Comments on: McCarthy Says She’s Not The Leak http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/04/24/mccarthy-says-shes-not-the-leak/ Like Kryptonite To Stupid Mon, 23 Nov 2009 05:09:49 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: drpedro http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/04/24/mccarthy-says-shes-not-the-leak/#comment-31827 drpedro Thu, 27 Apr 2006 00:04:20 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=1851#comment-31827 I would agree. But as someone from the "other side of the aisle", if the alleged action took place, I think you need to be leading the march to have her prosecuted to the full extent of the law. I would agree. But as someone from the “other side of the aisle”, if the alleged action took place, I think you need to be leading the march to have her prosecuted to the full extent of the law.

]]> By: Quaker in a Basement http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/04/24/mccarthy-says-shes-not-the-leak/#comment-31826 Quaker in a Basement Wed, 26 Apr 2006 22:04:24 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=1851#comment-31826 <blockquote>That individual should either use the legally mandated method of reporting it to congress, OR should stand up in front of god and everyone and announce the Truth.</blockquote> Definitely the best way to go about it.

That individual should either use the legally mandated method of reporting it to congress, OR should stand up in front of god and everyone and announce the Truth.

Definitely the best way to go about it.

]]> By: drpedro http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/04/24/mccarthy-says-shes-not-the-leak/#comment-31825 drpedro Wed, 26 Apr 2006 21:04:00 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=1851#comment-31825 Oh so proof is now need here Duros? You knuckleheads crack me up....as soon as you back yourselves into a rhetorical corner, you started demanding immutable truths. What a bunch of mental midgets... Oh so proof is now need here Duros?

You knuckleheads crack me up….as soon as you back yourselves into a rhetorical corner, you started demanding immutable truths.

What a bunch of mental midgets…

]]> By: duros62 http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/04/24/mccarthy-says-shes-not-the-leak/#comment-31824 duros62 Wed, 26 Apr 2006 20:04:01 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=1851#comment-31824 <i>Not scurry around in back alleys trying to protect her pension and security clearance while at the same time lying to collegues and breaking legal contracts </i> of which, of course you have proof that that is what happened. Not scurry around in back alleys trying to protect her pension and security clearance while at the same time lying to collegues and breaking legal contracts

of which, of course you have proof that that is what happened.

]]> By: drpedro http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/04/24/mccarthy-says-shes-not-the-leak/#comment-31823 drpedro Wed, 26 Apr 2006 19:04:47 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=1851#comment-31823 quaker says..."If you have clearness in your perception of Truth, you have a moral obligation to speak up, even if doing so is against the law." EXACTLY Quaker, nail on the head...... That individual should either use the legally mandated method of reporting it to congress, OR should stand up in front of god and everyone and announce the Truth. Not scurry around in back alleys trying to protect her pension and security clearance while at the same time lying to collegues and breaking legal contracts quaker says…”If you have clearness in your perception of Truth, you have a moral obligation to speak up, even if doing so is against the law.”

EXACTLY Quaker, nail on the head……

That individual should either use the legally mandated method of reporting it to congress, OR should stand up in front of god and everyone and announce the Truth. Not scurry around in back alleys trying to protect her pension and security clearance while at the same time lying to collegues and breaking legal contracts

]]> By: (: Tom :) http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/04/24/mccarthy-says-shes-not-the-leak/#comment-31822 (: Tom :) Wed, 26 Apr 2006 19:04:15 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=1851#comment-31822 Hahahahahahahaha! Thank you, buma, for that one! Just the concept of Dugger having a code of ethics is enough to tickle most funny bones who have seen what passes for logic around here when he starts to spew. Hahahahahahahaha! Thank you, buma, for that one!

Just the concept of Dugger having a code of ethics is enough to tickle most funny bones who have seen what passes for logic around here when he starts to spew.

]]> By: buma http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/04/24/mccarthy-says-shes-not-the-leak/#comment-31821 buma Wed, 26 Apr 2006 18:04:01 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=1851#comment-31821 Tom, remember the dugger code of ethics. He does not mind a little lawbreaking, as long as the politician in question is conservative enough. On the other hand, left-leaners are fair game and should be proactively investigated to uncover possible wrongdoing. Tom, remember the dugger code of ethics. He does not mind a little lawbreaking, as long as the politician in question is conservative enough. On the other hand, left-leaners are fair game and should be proactively investigated to uncover possible wrongdoing.

]]> By: Dugger http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/04/24/mccarthy-says-shes-not-the-leak/#comment-31820 Dugger Wed, 26 Apr 2006 15:04:57 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=1851#comment-31820 Tom One day, hopefully, you will become more reasoned. Who is Putsch?? I know no one by that name. It sounds vaguely Nazi and of course compasssionate progressives have long used the Nazi metaphor to describe our soldiers and the current Admin. Is that it, Lil Tom? A big bad snarky Nazi metaphor. If so, pull your pants up, tuck in your shirt, wipe the jam off your face and try soemthing with atcual thought behind it. Its not awful funny that I note potential parsing from the other side. Its rather logical. I'm a conservative posting on a progressive web site that constantly harps on the evil deeds and parsing of right wingers. Dugger Tom

One day, hopefully, you will become more reasoned. Who is Putsch?? I know no one by that name. It sounds vaguely Nazi and of course compasssionate progressives have long used the Nazi metaphor to describe our soldiers and the current Admin. Is that it, Lil Tom? A big bad snarky Nazi metaphor. If so, pull your pants up, tuck in your shirt, wipe the jam off your face and try soemthing with atcual thought behind it.

Its not awful funny that I note potential parsing from the other side. Its rather logical. I’m a conservative posting on a progressive web site that constantly harps on the evil deeds and parsing of right wingers.

Dugger

]]> By: (: Tom :) http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/04/24/mccarthy-says-shes-not-the-leak/#comment-31819 (: Tom :) Wed, 26 Apr 2006 15:04:45 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=1851#comment-31819 <i> Dugger Says: April 25th, 2006 at 10:41 am Read the second hand account of the McCarthy denial carefully. Sounds like parsing to me. She failed lie detector tests and she has left wing political connections. And no matter what, you can t have it both ways. You, of the left, cannot dictate what rules can be arbitrarily broken, what secrets can be arbitrarily leaked just because you happen to agree with the action. You really think thats OK? Who gets to decide in your world which secrets can be tossed out? Is it the individual leaker and his or her conscience? Do they all, have to have left wing credentials or be blessed bya left wing panel? If Scooter Libby had illegally leaked something, do you really believe, in his heart, he thought he was doing something bad? Dugger, You are Smarter than this Elrod </i> As opposed to you of the right, who believe that Putsch can dictate what rules can be arbitrarily broken by his people, and what secrets can be arbirtrarily leaked because he needs to score partisan political points. Awful funny how you are very quick to note any alleged parsing coming from those you deem to be of the left, yet the proven parsing from the right does not even register on your radar. Dugger Says:

April 25th, 2006 at 10:41 am
Read the second hand account of the McCarthy denial carefully. Sounds like parsing to me. She failed lie detector tests and she has left wing political connections.

And no matter what, you can t have it both ways. You, of the left, cannot dictate what rules can be arbitrarily broken, what secrets can be arbitrarily leaked just because you happen to agree with the action. You really think thats OK? Who gets to decide in your world which secrets can be tossed out? Is it the individual leaker and his or her conscience? Do they all, have to have left wing credentials or be blessed bya left wing panel? If Scooter Libby had illegally leaked something, do you really believe, in his heart, he thought he was doing something bad?

Dugger, You are Smarter than this Elrod

As opposed to you of the right, who believe that Putsch can dictate what rules can be arbitrarily broken by his people, and what secrets can be arbirtrarily leaked because he needs to score partisan political points.

Awful funny how you are very quick to note any alleged parsing coming from those you deem to be of the left, yet the proven parsing from the right does not even register on your radar.

]]> By: buma http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/04/24/mccarthy-says-shes-not-the-leak/#comment-31818 buma Wed, 26 Apr 2006 02:04:50 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=1851#comment-31818 Are these conservo-fascists certain that the prosecution and defense of McCarthy will not release a lot of damning information that otherwise could have remained under their rug? Libby's defense has not helped the image of Bush and Cheney. McCarthy can do more damage to the WH under indictment than if they leave her alone. Are these conservo-fascists certain that the prosecution and defense of McCarthy will not release a lot of damning information that otherwise could have remained under their rug? Libby’s defense has not helped the image of Bush and Cheney. McCarthy can do more damage to the WH under indictment than if they leave her alone.

]]> By: Quaker in a Basement http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/04/24/mccarthy-says-shes-not-the-leak/#comment-31817 Quaker in a Basement Wed, 26 Apr 2006 00:04:22 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=1851#comment-31817 <blockquote>if you believe what you say then you should never sign an oath </blockquote> Don't know much about Quakers, do you? We don't <em>do</em> oaths.

if you believe what you say then you should never sign an oath

Don’t know much about Quakers, do you?

We don’t do oaths.

]]> By: Quaker in a Basement http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/04/24/mccarthy-says-shes-not-the-leak/#comment-31816 Quaker in a Basement Wed, 26 Apr 2006 00:04:07 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=1851#comment-31816 <blockquote>If you (an individual) live in a democratic society, you have a moral obligation to obey the laws of that society - even the ones you don t like.</blockquote> If you have clearness in your perception of Truth, you have a moral obligation to speak up, even if doing so is against the law.

If you (an individual) live in a democratic society, you have a moral obligation to obey the laws of that society – even the ones you don t like.

If you have clearness in your perception of Truth, you have a moral obligation to speak up, even if doing so is against the law.

]]> By: drpedro http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/04/24/mccarthy-says-shes-not-the-leak/#comment-31815 drpedro Tue, 25 Apr 2006 23:04:08 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=1851#comment-31815 More important quaker, if you believe what you say then you should never sign an oath promising not to reveal those secrets Unless you believe a (wo)man's word should be worthless? More important quaker, if you believe what you say then you should never sign an oath promising not to reveal those secrets

Unless you believe a (wo)man’s word should be worthless?

]]> By: Dugger http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/04/24/mccarthy-says-shes-not-the-leak/#comment-31814 Dugger Tue, 25 Apr 2006 22:04:34 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=1851#comment-31814 Quaker, Disagree. If you (an individual) live in a democratic society, you have a moral obligation to obey the laws of that society - even the ones you don't like. Unless the laws rise to the level of crimes against humanity, you have, by consciously disobeying said laws, put yourself and your own selfishness above the prinicpal of democracy and your society. Dugger, Yes, I think Thoreau was wrong Quaker,

Disagree. If you (an individual) live in a democratic society, you have a moral obligation to obey the laws of that society – even the ones you don’t like. Unless the laws rise to the level of crimes against humanity, you have, by consciously disobeying said laws, put yourself and your own selfishness above the prinicpal of democracy and your society.

Dugger, Yes, I think Thoreau was wrong

]]> By: Quaker in a Basement http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/04/24/mccarthy-says-shes-not-the-leak/#comment-31813 Quaker in a Basement Tue, 25 Apr 2006 18:04:38 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=1851#comment-31813 <blockquote>But they then have to be willing to take responsibility for their actions, too. </blockquote> Yes, they do.

But they then have to be willing to take responsibility for their actions, too.

Yes, they do.

]]> By: Quaker in a Basement http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/04/24/mccarthy-says-shes-not-the-leak/#comment-31812 Quaker in a Basement Tue, 25 Apr 2006 17:04:48 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=1851#comment-31812 <blockquote>Who gets to decide in your world which secrets can be tossed out? Is it the individual leaker and his or her conscience?</blockquote> Shortest possible answer: Yes.

Who gets to decide in your world which secrets can be tossed out? Is it the individual leaker and his or her conscience?

Shortest possible answer: Yes.

]]> By: JSA http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/04/24/mccarthy-says-shes-not-the-leak/#comment-31811 JSA Tue, 25 Apr 2006 17:04:39 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=1851#comment-31811 "Who gets to decide in your world which secrets can be tossed out? Is it the individual leaker and his or her conscience? Shortest possible answer: Yes." But they then have to be willing to take responsibility for their actions, too. “Who gets to decide in your world which secrets can be tossed out? Is it the individual leaker and his or her conscience?

Shortest possible answer: Yes.”

But they then have to be willing to take responsibility for their actions, too.

]]> By: duros62 http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/04/24/mccarthy-says-shes-not-the-leak/#comment-31810 duros62 Tue, 25 Apr 2006 17:04:30 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=1851#comment-31810 If McCarthy was a Republican, would your answers be any different? I find it interesting that the leak itself becomes more important that what was uncovered. If McCarthy was a Republican, would your answers be any different?
I find it interesting that the leak itself becomes more important that what was uncovered.

]]> By: Hollywood_Freaks http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/04/24/mccarthy-says-shes-not-the-leak/#comment-31809 Hollywood_Freaks Tue, 25 Apr 2006 17:04:20 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=1851#comment-31809 Repack: You missed my point which is probably me not explaining it well enough. I was trying to say that it is not interesting, because everyone is going to claim innocence (the guilty and the innocent). The story doesn't tell us anything anyone wouldn't expect. Repack:

You missed my point which is probably me not explaining it well enough. I was trying to say that it is not interesting, because everyone is going to claim innocence (the guilty and the innocent). The story doesn’t tell us anything anyone wouldn’t expect.

]]> By: Dugger http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/04/24/mccarthy-says-shes-not-the-leak/#comment-31808 Dugger Tue, 25 Apr 2006 16:04:37 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=1851#comment-31808 quickie, Not really. If Libby had actually leaked (as in breaking the law 'leaked'), he deserves punishment. If he lied he will get the punishment he deserves. And I have yet to hear the calls for anything to be done to McCarthy - your lynching. The CIA, as a result of an internal action, fired her. Libby/Plame was a cause celebre among leftist polticians and Big Media. Remember Lil Joe Wilson crowing about seeing Karl Rove do the 'perp walk'? Dugger quickie,

Not really. If Libby had actually leaked (as in breaking the law ‘leaked’), he deserves punishment. If he lied he will get the punishment he deserves. And I have yet to hear the calls for anything to be done to McCarthy – your lynching. The CIA, as a result of an internal action, fired her. Libby/Plame was a cause celebre among leftist polticians and Big Media. Remember Lil Joe Wilson crowing about seeing Karl Rove do the ‘perp walk’?

Dugger

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