Don’t need to. There has been no crime cited in regard to her covert or non-covert status. No crime at all. I doubt anybody here could really do that anyway. the CIA would not broadcast the clear cut details of her status and changes thereto. Now would they.

buma, Are you just sniping or are you trying to talk grown-uo now. If so, welcome aboard. Its much harder than hit and run piss-antry.

Dugger

Come now. I neither acknowledged Val was covert nor that exposing covert agents was good thing.

Furthermore, do you want to just put Republicans in jail because you don’t like them or could we have a crime here. Is that what’s called progressive justice?

Dugger, I guess its the thought that counts and progressives can read minds as we have learned re Bush hate

Be that as it may, neither you nor anyone else has even attempted to answer the second part of my question – what truthful information did the White House release to counter Wilson’s conclusions? All I have heard are personal attacks on he and his wife which do not address his conclusions. That is what’s important, not all the personal stuff about Wilson.

So once again, fact: Valerie Plame was covert. The CIA says so, she was trained to be deep undercover, her CIA identity was considered a national secret until Bush & Co. blew her cover and her CIA front company.

Are you saying it wasn’t someone in the Bush White House that leaked? Morally and ethically it was wrong. It was criminal, unless a technical loophole can be exploited. It damages national security. See the last point: damages national security.

Another thing, has the White House come out and admitted that Bush authorized the declassification of a covert CIA operative’s identity? I don’t think so.

Another thing, it sure is strange that Bush somehow declassifies information, but only to select individuals his office chooses so they can pass that information along without attribution.

Dukker, anyway you slice it, it comes up Bush Administration is bad for National Security.

“Sums it up  Just blame everybody but Bush’

Nahhh. Better idea. How about blaming nobody because there was no crime re leaking Plame’s name.

Dugger

Sums it up — Just blame everybody but Bush. None of this has anything to do with his policies or his methods. Bush is not to blame for anything, every problem he is encountering in his house of cards is due to somebody else not liking him enough.

JWG – More misdirection on your part unfortunately.

Huh? You asked, “Perhaps more relevant would be a ‘lie’ about the Niger incident that Wilson was trying to spread.” I gave you two. Now you’ve given a more specific question: What did Wilson say about Iraq seeking yellowcake? He claimed in his op-ed:

It did not take long to conclude that it was highly doubtful that any such transaction had ever taken place.

and

In short, there’s simply too much oversight over too small an industry for a sale to have transpired.

Well, great. The issue was whether Iraq was interested in buying yellowcake…not just if they had managed to buy some. Wilson confirmed that an Iraqi envoy traveled to Niger, but the Nigerians claim to have refused to discuss yellowcake. Wilson’s trip did not “debunk” the claim that Iraq was seeking to purchase yellowcake. According to the NIE, the CIA used Wilson’s report to bolster their views about Iraqi interests. Yet, I wouldn’t call Wilson’s comments about the purchase of yellowcake a lie. He just offered his small piece of a bigger puzzle.

an envoy investigating at the behest of the office of Vice President Dick Cheney

Wilson said in a speech on the next day to the Education for Peace in Iraq Center – June 14, 2003:

[I] actually went over to Niger on behalf of the government, not of the CIA, but of the government

Wilson was telling the public all sorts of purposeful distortions about his trip to Niger…all while he was an advisor (unkown to the public) to the Kerry campaign.

authorized the leak of selected intel (i.e., only those parts favorable to its case for war)

Have you even read the unclassified version of the NIE? It contains the uncertainties.

Perhaps more relevant would be a  lie about the Niger incident that Wilson was trying to spread

Here is what Wilson told the WaPo from June 12, 2003:

After returning to the United States, the envoy reported to the CIA that the uranium-purchase story was false, the sources said. Among the envoy’s conclusions was that the documents may have been forged because the “dates were wrong and the names were wrong,” the former U.S. government official said.

[...]

Thirteen months later, on March 8, Mohamed ElBaradei, director general of the International Atomic Energy Agency, informed the U.N. Security Council that after careful scrutiny of the Niger documents, his agency had reached the same conclusion as the CIA’s envoy. ElBaradei deemed the documents “not authentic,” an assessment that U.S. officials did not dispute.

In reality, Wilson had no direct knowledge concerning the validity of the forged documents.

what truthful information did the White House release to counter it

The NIE reported that Wilson’s trip supported the CIA’s belief that Iraq was interested in uranium from Niger. Wilson had not reported on the forged documents.

Was that the reason the White House authorized the leak of selected intel (i.e., only those parts favorable to its case for war)? Was that the “lie” they needed to counter? Perhaps more relevant would be a “lie” about the Niger incident that Wilson was trying to spread and what truthful information did the White House release to counter it. Haven’t seen that addressed by anyone on the right yet.

By the way, bunches of CIA folks are covert. Does that mean Libby goes to jail multiple times or does there have to be a crime committed? I mean is the equation: covert Cia agents exist = Republicans go to jail?

So you know something Fitzgerald doesn’t? or you know he’s making a mistake?

Dugger, l’Affaire Plame was all about Bush hate