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You can fool all of the people some of the time and 33 percent of the people all of the time.
Well, that does it. I’m changing all my beliefs and even though Democrats have not come up with a single new idea on anything, even though they have zero idea of how to handle the WOT, I’m now voting the big, big D. I mean the polls can’t be wrong, right?
Dugger, I thought so little, they rewarded me
and now I am the ruler of the Queen’s navy.
Does that mean 33% of the American people are dumber than Bush?
The better question is WTF is going to wake up the other 33%? Although it is Faux news, OBVIOUSLY an arm of the liberal media /snicker
Of cuz not, FC, since it was FOX news, the real number is probably -2% — people who never heard of him, don’t like him
/sarcasm
Dugger, why do you waste your time with a catchy new slogan at the end of each one of your posts, you should just sign them all thusly;
Dugger: forever on the wrong side of history!
33% must represent the persistent vegetative state demographic.
Like Bill O’Reilly.
Well, that does it. I m changing all my beliefs and even though Republicans have not come up with a single good idea on anything, even though they have zero idea of how to handle the WOT, I m now voting the big, big R. I mean the Dems have no ideas, right?
Dugger,
Even if the polls were wrong, could they actually be 25 to 30% points off? I would rather you support Republican ideals with a competent administration, even though we would disagree, I could have more respect for you, but this just shows that Bush and company are not real Republicans/conservatives and America is not buying their bullshit. If they were true conservatives, then most of the country would be voting for them right? Bush is the conservative/Republican albatross wrapped tight around the Republican parties neck. Aside from scaremongering the nation that the Rapture is upon us, the countries patience with incompetence has run out.
First you’d have to get Dugger to admit to the incomptence of this administration in the first place. And that’s never going to happen. Dugger, and the rest of the 33%, would rather lie to themselves for the sake of the party line than admit the obvious and be tainted by agreeing with the likes of us.
Don’t expect Dugger and Frank to jump ship.
Approval ratings, or disapproval ratings, are important because they show that 25% of America, that can never seem to make up their mind, what the rest of the country is thinking. Those are the people that sway elections.
Even during Clinton’s darkest hour….I wasn’t going to all of the sudden admit that I wished I had voted for Bob Dole.
I don’t remember Clinton ducking under 40%, however. 33% is pretty much a national referendum on “get the hell out, and stay out.”
I think the country would be dramatically better off if George W. Bush, and Dick Cheney, left office. Voluntarily, or involuntarily. I don’t care. W was never intellectually fit for office. And Cheney…well, he’s just sleazy, as it turns out.
Who knows….if it can be proved they broke the law when wiretapping Ameican citizens, maybe they’ll be leaving office in orange jumpsuits.
Make it a pay per view event. I’d pay big bucks.
JK
I disagree with all of you. The disasterous path Bush is leading our country down is so obviously bad that eventually 100% of everyone, Dugger included, will have no choice but to admit it. What percentage of us can look at the surface of the moon and not say that it’s dry?
Mr C,
Probably for the same reason you expressed a wish Rush would choke to death on his vomit: its what I want to do.
WW,
I don’t believe the polls are wrong or right or care one
way or the other. My beliefs, not the popular consensus, count and I hope to be practical. Bush is imperfect – truly. He’s just better than any – I mean any – alternative you guys have put up. Give me some ideas. Some substance – maybe, God forbid, something that will be unpopular with Big Media and the leftist kooks. Something that shows you can govern with principal and integrity and with consistent ideas. My mind is open to a good D – just haven’t heard anything yet. The book is out on Hils.
Dugger, I remember when conservative was a dirty word and the only conservative in the WORLD was young upstart William F Buckley telling Yale and Big Media to get scr*wed.
Nimrod, Actaully I do think this Admin is relatively incompetent (did they really have Iraq fully thought out?)- but still better than the alternative.
Dugger “When the foeman bares his steel,
we uncomfortatble feel
and we find the wisest thing
is to slap our chest and sing”
Bush doesn’t believe governing by polls. That’s what the republicans keep spinning. He is staying with his convictions, his chief one being that he doesn’t believe in polls. The rest are, in order of priority:
1) whatever’s in his talking points for the day
2) what KR tells him he believes
3) just make shit up cuz it sounds good.
I shudder to think of what our country would be like if 100% of us agreed on anything.
The most frightening thing about the Clinton administration (and I said “frightening” — please don’t try to say that I meant or said anything else) was that whatever he did, he seemd to be popular.
Maybe the press was giving him hefty benefits of a doubt — and don’t even bother with the NYT – Whitewater thing. That whole business stunk on ice, and he and the Queen of Little Rock both dodged that bullet, as they did many, many others — and all the time he remained popular.
The simplest things that caused other Presidents to drop in the polls, never had that effect while was in office.
It was strange — and scary.
As Ann Coulter wrote yesterday: “Every Democrat who voted for Bill Clinton feels the need to defend duplicity, adultery, lying about adultery, sexual harassment…perjury, obstruction of justice… and so on.”{I left out the really inflammatory stuff — I didn’t want your heads to explode}
Whether that’s 100% true or not — I know you don’t think it is — the need for liberals to jump to his defense has always been frightening.
Frank,
If you have to resort to quoting Anne Coulter, one of the most divisive figures in American politics…then your credibility is frankly shot.
Clinton didn’t send 2,300 young Americans to die for people who won’t appreciate their sacrifice 10 years from now.
As for the dumbest person to ever grace the pages of this blog…Dugger….and I mean that with every fiber of my being….I would encourge said idiot to think about how different the world would be if 700 people had voted differently in Florida, 6 years ago.
Think about that the next time you complain that the Democrats don’t offer viable alternatives. Besides, you’re not the kind of person that Democrats hope to appeal to. You try to convince us all you’re open minded….you’re a liar.
It’s all a big joke to some of you. Isn’t it? Dugger with his cute little quips….effing freak.
JK
First of all, JK, I wouldn’t expect you to believe anything I say, and i’m not about to care if you do or you don’t.
But, as I have said before, sometimes people say things in a better way than I can. It doesn’t mean I believe everyhting she writes, but again, I don’t care what you think about that, either.
Besides which, I wouldn’t care if she were the most divisive figures in the history of the world, that still doesn’t mean she can’t say something true.
Only a robot like you makes a connection like “Coulter … must not believe… “
So it is not his actions or his behavior it the stinker thinkers out there that his poor poll number are so low.
I do like the personal responsibility Republcanites.
The reason that you don’t see headlines stating Bush on a rebound or turning things around or being a comeback kid is because his history of responsibilities are constant failures. He could not run a business for shit and barely showed up for the Guard – he spent the first half of his presidency on VACATION – if you have not seen headlines; because they are tired of putting lipstick on this particular pig.
Just sayin’
I think the most interesting aspect of the Fox poll is not the President’s “approval” numbers; rather it is the feeling that the economy is bad and is going to get worse.
That “feeling” comes in the wake of the Dow hitting a record high today, national unemployment levels below 5.0% and approaching full employment, strong manufacturing, strong retail, low inflation, and a strong housing market.
So what gives?
A lot of people think it is simply related to the price of gasoline, something that the President has no real control over. (We abandoned government attempts to control prices and ration fuel 25 years ago, so the government has very little to do with fuel prices now–except for fuel taxes.)
I think that it also has to do with the steady barrage of negative reporting that Bush has endured since the beginning of the year. These polls are turned into headline news, which leads to speculation among the uninformed (Gee, he really must be doing a bad job) and continually feeds the talking heads with negative spin. It just keeps getting piled on. The “fire Rumsfeld” push in the press was just the most recent example of this.
One BIG difference that I have noted in comparing Clinton’s second term dark days to Bush’s is that the press generally ran favorable stories about Clinton, with generic themes like “Despite President’s troubles the economy roars to life”, “He’s hanging tough”, “He’s always been the comeback kid”, etc.
I haven’t seen any similar attempts to portray Bush as a fighter who is committed to doing what he believes is right, regardless of what public opinion says.
I love how the Dems just never seem to have any new ideas! Horrible! WoT, no new ideas just you know, work with other countries on intelligence, protect the ports, protect the reactors, strengthen defenses at home, work to stop WMD proliferation, buy up Russian nukes and materials and destroy them, THE Department of Homeland Security, actually TRY to catch Osama bin Laden, etc. etc.
Dugger, those all sound like good ideas, but doing them is too hard for my idol.
“So what gives?”
Oil prices? Ya sure. Negative reporting from the press? Puhleeze. Maybe people think the economy sucks because real wages have been stagnant for five years with increases being outstripped by inflation:
“Both wages and compensation for the average worker are lagging inflation, according to today s Employment Cost Index (ECI) release from the Bureau of Labor Statistics.
Total compensation wages plus benefits grew 3.1% between 2004q4 and 2005q4, the same rate of growth as the previous quarter. This increase is the slowest since 1999q3. And because inflation grew 3.4% over the year, real compensation fell by 0.3% from 2004q4 to 2005q4 …
On average, nominal wages rose 2.4% in 2005, the lowest annual result on record for this series, which began in 1982. With average inflation up 3.4% for the year, real wages fell 0.9%.”
http://www.epi.org/content.cfm/webfeat_econindicators_wages_20060131
Of course, as mike proves, conservatives have never let reality get in the way of a good whine: “Boo hoo the press is being mean to us.”
Frank
Re: Ann Coulter
Besides which, I wouldn t care if she were the most divisive figures in the history of the world, that still doesn t mean she can t say something true.
Be sure to let us know when that happens, ok?
You know why PEOPLE are feeling that the economy is bad and getting worse? Its because, as frame pointed out in a scientific way, things are bad and getting worse for your average, every day american. Just because the top 1% is having high times, buyin’ yachts and taking 90-180+ days of vacation every year, just like GWB, the rest of us ARE HURTING. Education, health care, fuel, insurance, food, housing…what do these things have in common? These are all things that represent a majority of the costs that the average workers paycheck pays for, and they’re all things which have been rising in price while the average worker’s paycheck is *flatlined*. Just because “the economy” is doing well doesn’t mean the individuals in that economy are doing well, and things usually get pretty ugly if you hold the average american down for too long. Eventually, they notice, and when they do, they get pretty pissed pretty fast.
Frank: Ann Coulter is wrong in that progressives would ever defend perjury or obstruction of justice, but we will defend the fact that a president’s sex life is none of our fucking business. Does anyone here care if George uses a cigar for foreplay with Laura or if there are any stained dresses?
I, for one, will defend adultery as hormones are quite powerful and sometimes there is nothing you can do. Many people have weak moments. Maybe my thinking on this is tainted as I’ve had to forgive both my biological father and my step father for cheating on my mother. I’ve done so. I realize how powerful such urges can be and know they will happen to a large percent of the population. Hopefully that urge never befalls me (I’m getting married in two months).
Sexual harrassment…you’re kidding right? Isn’t it the right who typically argues that those strumpets were asking for it? And it’s all because of feminism? In any event, I trust Clinton more than I trust those women.
Actually, I have to disagree. Committing adultery may or may not be my business, i.e., I don’t have the right to peer into the White House’s windows to see who the President is boinking (you do realize that the sole purpose of this comment is to give me the opportunity to use the word “President” and “boinking” in the same sentence
), but once it is known that the President is a serial adulterer (remember Gennifer Flowers, his paramour of 12 years?), then something about his character is revealed — and it is not good.
I will not pretend to psychoanalyze someone I’ve never met, as so many liberals on this blog have done, but I’m guessing sex addict, not in itself a “bad” thing, but from a security perspective, a definite no – no.
Not to mention the time he was caught on camera peeping a (female) foreign dignitary’s ( Equador, I think) bootylicious caboose.
Wars have been fought over less.
Correction to 4:07pm comment: *Hopefully that urge will never befall me.* Reading is fundamental.
By the way, Bush is giving Nixon a run for his money. If he gets in the 20s AND the Dems pull a miracle out of their butt this year, look out…
Since when did adultery become the solitary realm of the Liberal Democrats? Mr(s). Coulter can of course prove that Republicans are incapable of philandering, right?
What about his character is revealed? That he likes pussy? Man. Give the guy a break. Why is sex addict = security no-no? Are you thinking about Mars Attacks or something?
It’s not as though he cut off the foreign dignitary’s bootylicious caboose, just checking it out. Nothing wrong with that. You can even salivate a little.
Is Coulter even married? Does she have kids?
There’s a general unease about so many things in the country. And most people are no longer looking to Bush for answers because the huge majority of us have come to realize that he’s part of the problem. Everyone knows that the debt he’s creating for an unnecessary war will come back to haunt us. Meanwhile, where’s the focus on Al-Queda? They’re only mentioned every three months or so when we THINK we killed one of their top officers somewhere near Afgan, or something like that.
mike: This is exactly what Coulter was talking about. “That he likes pussy”?
No, that he apparently isn’t satisfied with one sexual partner.Lots and lots of men can manage to stay faithful to their wives for dozens of years of marriage. Why not him? If you don’t love your wife, and you would like to marry someone else, then get divorced, let her have her own life, and go marry another woman. I’m not going to explain to you the problems associated with sexual addiction. Just Google “sexual addiction” with words like “maladaptive”, or “inappropriate” or “pathology” or “DSM – IV”. That will explain it well enough.
As for the security risk angle — think “blackmail.”
It s not as though he cut off the foreign dignitary s bootylicious caboose, just checking it out. Nothing wrong with that. Caught on tape? On the national news? Who are you kidding?
So it’s more about a lack of discretion than it is about a lack of leadership, right?
It is almost entirely about discretion. And, leadership, as well as — make that, and even more so, diplomacy, requires discretion.
Imagine the Prime Minister of one of the “Stans” in a conversation with a President of the USA forced to think, “Is he leaning towards me to give me the impression that he’s really listening intently, or is he looking at my Press Secretary’s ass?”