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]]> By: midderpidge http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/04/17/president-clinton-in-the-observatory-with-the-wrench/#comment-30733 midderpidge Fri, 21 Apr 2006 07:04:06 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=1803#comment-30733 You have posted no evidence that Dems actively sought out veterans, that other candidates have been asked to back off for veterans,etc... you stated that as fact. From qckslvr_wolf's article: "They also know it's a long shot: Many are running against incumbents in safe Republican districts. Many also face competitive primaries against Democratic opponents with more political experience and access to money." Read your comment where you said there were 6 veterans who might have seen combat. Tell me how anyone could get 'I'm concerned there are lawyers running' and not 'these guys didn't see combat' out of that paragraph. Psychoanalysis? I am reading what you write, and you directly say: "The other answer to your question is because Republican veterans are looking for hinest work." {instead of running for public office} what am I supposed to get out of that if not: seeking public office is not honest work. You have posted no evidence that Dems actively sought out veterans, that other candidates have been asked to back off for veterans,etc… you stated that as fact. From qckslvr_wolf’s article:

“They also know it’s a long shot: Many are running against incumbents in safe Republican districts. Many also face competitive primaries against Democratic opponents with more political experience and access to money.”

Read your comment where you said there were 6 veterans who might have seen combat. Tell me how anyone could get ‘I’m concerned there are lawyers running’ and not ‘these guys didn’t see combat’ out of that paragraph.

Psychoanalysis? I am reading what you write, and you directly say:
“The other answer to your question is because Republican veterans are looking for hinest work.” {instead of running for public office} what am I supposed to get out of that if not: seeking public office is not honest work.

]]> By: Frank_D http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/04/17/president-clinton-in-the-observatory-with-the-wrench/#comment-30732 Frank_D Thu, 20 Apr 2006 17:04:51 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=1803#comment-30732 <i>I m just trying to figure out why you seem so bitter that so many Vets are running for office as Dems.</i> It would be easier for you to figure out if you realized that I'm not bitter. Second, I'm not concerned with whether or not these guys were in combat; I said (and am now repeating it, since you apparently missed it) that that seems to be a preoccupation of the Left. Most of all, I am more concerned with the fact that they were lawyers, than that they were veterans. The last thing Congress needs is more lawyers. I believe that the Democrats deliberately recruited as many veterans as they could find, so they could say, "Look! We've got veterans on <i>our</i> side!" And, I believe that that was about as cynical a move as the Republicans' hunting for black candidates during Reconstruction, knowing they would win, and annoy and humiliate the recently defeated Confederates. Now, you can disagree with me, if you want, but stop with the stupid, unnecessary, and erroneous psychoanalysis, and stop asking me to explain to you why I said things I never said. I <i>never</i> said politicians aren't cynical, and I never said all politicians aren't lyin' thieves. I m just trying to figure out why you seem so bitter that so many Vets are running for office as Dems.
It would be easier for you to figure out if you realized that I’m not bitter.
Second, I’m not concerned with whether or not these guys were in combat; I said (and am now repeating it, since you apparently missed it) that that seems to be a preoccupation of the Left.
Most of all, I am more concerned with the fact that they were lawyers, than that they were veterans. The last thing Congress needs is more lawyers.
I believe that the Democrats deliberately recruited as many veterans as they could find, so they could say, “Look! We’ve got veterans on our side!”
And, I believe that that was about as cynical a move as the Republicans’ hunting for black candidates during Reconstruction, knowing they would win, and annoy and humiliate the recently defeated Confederates.
Now, you can disagree with me, if you want, but stop with the stupid, unnecessary, and erroneous psychoanalysis, and stop asking me to explain to you why I said things I never said.
I never said politicians aren’t cynical, and I never said all politicians aren’t lyin’ thieves.

]]> By: midderpidge http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/04/17/president-clinton-in-the-observatory-with-the-wrench/#comment-30731 midderpidge Thu, 20 Apr 2006 15:04:42 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=1803#comment-30731 Well, Frank, I'm just trying to figure out why you seem so bitter that so many Vets are running for office as Dems. You make an unsubstantiated claim that the Democrats are actively seeking and recruiting vets to run for office. Then you say Republican vets look for "hinest(honest) work". That suggests two things: you think all US legislators are dishonest, and that you have a low opinion of those who want to be legislators. Then you try to belittle the term "fightin Dems" by trying to point out that out of 40 veterans, most were lawyers or in the Navy or Air Force and therefore they weren't "fightin". Well, Frank, I’m just trying to figure out why you seem so bitter that so many Vets are running for office as Dems. You make an unsubstantiated claim that the Democrats are actively seeking and recruiting vets to run for office. Then you say Republican vets look for “hinest(honest) work”. That suggests two things: you think all US legislators are dishonest, and that you have a low opinion of those who want to be legislators.

Then you try to belittle the term “fightin Dems” by trying to point out that out of 40 veterans, most were lawyers or in the Navy or Air Force and therefore they weren’t “fightin”.

]]> By: Frank_D http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/04/17/president-clinton-in-the-observatory-with-the-wrench/#comment-30730 Frank_D Thu, 20 Apr 2006 12:04:55 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=1803#comment-30730 1) I don't know -- Do I have to? 2) No 3) They're not "qualified" just because they're veterans 4) No -- and where did you get that idea? (<i>paranoia strikes deep -- into your heart it will creep</i>) 5) No, <i>I</i> don't, but you lefties seem to do it all the time 6) No It was fun playing, what do I get? 1) I don’t know — Do I have to?
2) No
3) They’re not “qualified” just because they’re veterans
4) No — and where did you get that idea? (paranoia strikes deep — into your heart it will creep)
5) No, I don’t, but you lefties seem to do it all the time
6) No
It was fun playing, what do I get?

]]> By: midderpidge http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/04/17/president-clinton-in-the-observatory-with-the-wrench/#comment-30729 midderpidge Thu, 20 Apr 2006 05:04:41 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=1803#comment-30729 My conclusion is you can't tell me how many fightin Repubs there are. Do you have a problem with Iraq veterans running for office? Do you feel they are unqualified in some way? If they decide to run for office are their motives automatically dishonest as you suggest? Are you saying that the doctors and lawyers and mechanics that are veterans are less worthy of the title 'veteran' than the ones that faced combat? Or are you saying they aren't participating in the fight against terrorism or the Iraq occupation because they aren't getting shot at? My conclusion is you can’t tell me how many fightin Repubs there are. Do you have a problem with Iraq veterans running for office? Do you feel they are unqualified in some way? If they decide to run for office are their motives automatically dishonest as you suggest? Are you saying that the doctors and lawyers and mechanics that are veterans are less worthy of the title ‘veteran’ than the ones that faced combat? Or are you saying they aren’t participating in the fight against terrorism or the Iraq occupation because they aren’t getting shot at?

]]> By: Frank_D http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/04/17/president-clinton-in-the-observatory-with-the-wrench/#comment-30728 Frank_D Wed, 19 Apr 2006 22:04:36 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=1803#comment-30728 I checked out the "Roster of Fightin' Dems" at Daily KOS, and out of 40 candidates there were about 6 combat veterans, who were actually (or probably) in combat. That many were military lawyers. The others were in the Navy and Air Force. Draw your own conclusions. I checked out the “Roster of Fightin’ Dems” at Daily KOS, and out of 40 candidates there were about 6 combat veterans, who were actually (or probably) in combat. That many were military lawyers. The others were in the Navy and Air Force.
Draw your own conclusions.

]]> By: drpedro http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/04/17/president-clinton-in-the-observatory-with-the-wrench/#comment-30727 drpedro Wed, 19 Apr 2006 21:04:53 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=1803#comment-30727 well as you know piddgy, as we used to say in the Navy, "if a sailor aint' complaining, then he just isn't happy...." Perhaps you wouldn't know that, you weren't actually IN the military were you? well as you know piddgy, as we used to say in the Navy, “if a sailor aint’ complaining, then he just isn’t happy….”

Perhaps you wouldn’t know that, you weren’t actually IN the military were you?

]]> By: midderpidge http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/04/17/president-clinton-in-the-observatory-with-the-wrench/#comment-30726 midderpidge Wed, 19 Apr 2006 20:04:11 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=1803#comment-30726 I wasn't aware the Democratic party put ads in Stars & Stripes looking for candidates, FrankD. It seems a lot of veterans are coming back from Iraq dissatisfied with the way Bush is running things. I wasn’t aware the Democratic party put ads in Stars & Stripes looking for candidates, FrankD. It seems a lot of veterans are coming back from Iraq dissatisfied with the way Bush is running things.

]]> By: Frank_D http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/04/17/president-clinton-in-the-observatory-with-the-wrench/#comment-30725 Frank_D Wed, 19 Apr 2006 12:04:04 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=1803#comment-30725 I have no idea, pidge... Do you understand the argument, or was that just a throwaway comment, because you have nothing to say? I have no idea, pidge… Do you understand the argument, or was that just a throwaway comment, because you have nothing to say?

]]> By: drpedro http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/04/17/president-clinton-in-the-observatory-with-the-wrench/#comment-30724 drpedro Wed, 19 Apr 2006 06:04:12 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=1803#comment-30724 bryan I quoted a poll by the army times about 3-4 months ago here. I am too lazy to look up for you again....you have google though...knock yourself out... bryan I quoted a poll by the army times about 3-4 months ago here. I am too lazy to look up for you again….you have google though…knock yourself out…

]]> By: midderpidge http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/04/17/president-clinton-in-the-observatory-with-the-wrench/#comment-30723 midderpidge Wed, 19 Apr 2006 05:04:51 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=1803#comment-30723 Strange argument FrankD, how many Republican veterans are running for office? Strange argument FrankD, how many Republican veterans are running for office?

]]> By: Frank_D http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/04/17/president-clinton-in-the-observatory-with-the-wrench/#comment-30722 Frank_D Wed, 19 Apr 2006 01:04:09 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=1803#comment-30722 It so happens that the campaign by Democrats to hunt down veterans to run for office on the Democrat line is flopping. The other answer to your question is because Republican veterans are looking for hinest work. And, the third, and greatest, answer to the question is: If there are so many Democrat veterans, why <i>are</i> the Democrats looking for Democrat veterans to run for office? q - wolf, you so crazy! It so happens that the campaign by Democrats to hunt down veterans to run for office on the Democrat line is flopping.
The other answer to your question is because Republican veterans are looking for hinest work.
And, the third, and greatest, answer to the question is: If there are so many Democrat veterans, why are the Democrats looking for Democrat veterans to run for office?
q – wolf, you so crazy!

]]> By: bryan http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/04/17/president-clinton-in-the-observatory-with-the-wrench/#comment-30721 bryan Wed, 19 Apr 2006 00:04:49 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=1803#comment-30721 Still there is no evidence in support of Pedro's claim that about 70% of the military votes republican. Still there is no evidence in support of Pedro’s claim that about 70% of the military votes republican.

]]> By: duros62 http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/04/17/president-clinton-in-the-observatory-with-the-wrench/#comment-30720 duros62 Tue, 18 Apr 2006 23:04:30 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=1803#comment-30720 <i>That said, the DNC is doing their damndest to minimize the good these guys can do. Honestly, someone needs to bitch slap the DNC.</i> Absolutely! Why can't they get behind these vets, the "Band of Brothers" I heard them called, and support the crap out of them? What could lend more credibility to the Dem party than that? That said, the DNC is doing their damndest to minimize the good these guys can do.
Honestly, someone needs to bitch slap the DNC.

Absolutely! Why can’t they get behind these vets, the “Band of Brothers” I heard them called, and support the crap out of them? What could lend more credibility to the Dem party than that?

]]> By: qkslvr_wolf http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/04/17/president-clinton-in-the-observatory-with-the-wrench/#comment-30719 qkslvr_wolf Tue, 18 Apr 2006 21:04:33 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=1803#comment-30719 Oh yeah, one more thing for the neocons. If the military is so damn republican, how come <a href="http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/0222/p01s03-uspo.html" rel="nofollow">a huge majority of veterans running for congress are running democrat</a>? Hmmm? Answer me that, please. That said, the DNC is doing their damndest to minimize the good these guys can do. Honestly, someone needs to bitch slap the DNC. Minus Dean. He's fairly cool. Oh yeah, one more thing for the neocons. If the military is so damn republican, how come a huge majority of veterans running for congress are running democrat?

Hmmm? Answer me that, please.

That said, the DNC is doing their damndest to minimize the good these guys can do.

Honestly, someone needs to bitch slap the DNC. Minus Dean. He’s fairly cool.

]]> By: qkslvr_wolf http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/04/17/president-clinton-in-the-observatory-with-the-wrench/#comment-30718 qkslvr_wolf Tue, 18 Apr 2006 20:04:08 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=1803#comment-30718 1) Criticizing your leadership in the military is A Bad Thing. You can argue, but when the decision is made, you shut up and follow orders. 2) Art 88 can and would be used if someone came out and denounced Rumsfeld as incompetant. 3) When you are in the service, you SERVE. After you RETIRE or SEPARATE, you are a PRIVATE CITIZEN and can (and should!) speak your conscious publically. 4) Many of these gentlement would have tried hard to change the system from the inside first. Thats what they do. They are loyal to the system and to the country. As opposed to you bastards, who would happily pledge allegiance to George W. Bush, the man. And yes, I am currently active as an officer in the USAF, and I constantly get told to settle down and shut up because I'm toeing the line. I'm probably not the world's best officer because I'm not good at sitting down and shutting up. These guys suceeded because when it was necessary, they knew how to shut up and color. But they don't have to after they retire. 1) Criticizing your leadership in the military is A Bad Thing. You can argue, but when the decision is made, you shut up and follow orders.
2) Art 88 can and would be used if someone came out and denounced Rumsfeld as incompetant.
3) When you are in the service, you SERVE. After you RETIRE or SEPARATE, you are a PRIVATE CITIZEN and can (and should!) speak your conscious publically.
4) Many of these gentlement would have tried hard to change the system from the inside first. Thats what they do. They are loyal to the system and to the country. As opposed to you bastards, who would happily pledge allegiance to George W. Bush, the man.

And yes, I am currently active as an officer in the USAF, and I constantly get told to settle down and shut up because I’m toeing the line. I’m probably not the world’s best officer because I’m not good at sitting down and shutting up. These guys suceeded because when it was necessary, they knew how to shut up and color. But they don’t have to after they retire.

]]> By: drpedro http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/04/17/president-clinton-in-the-observatory-with-the-wrench/#comment-30717 drpedro Tue, 18 Apr 2006 18:04:13 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=1803#comment-30717 Hey Ollie, Could you change the title of this thread though? I keep reading it as "Clinton, in the Observatory with a <b>WENCH</b> Hey Ollie,

Could you change the title of this thread though?

I keep reading it as “Clinton, in the Observatory with a WENCH

]]> By: Frank_D http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/04/17/president-clinton-in-the-observatory-with-the-wrench/#comment-30716 Frank_D Tue, 18 Apr 2006 17:04:41 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=1803#comment-30716 My question: Who brought up Clinton on this blog, this time, Oliver? It was you, and you found a couplr of bloggers who mentioned his name without blaming him for anything... My question: Who brought up Clinton on this blog, this time, Oliver? It was you, and you found a couplr of bloggers who mentioned his name without blaming him for anything…

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