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		<title>By: mikmik</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/04/07/one-economic-point/#comment-29649</link>
		<dc:creator>mikmik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Apr 2006 11:04:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bopnews.com/archives/006243.html#6243&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Bush&#039;s Job Creation Record Worst of Last 40 Years (Still)&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bopnews.com/archives/006243.html#6243&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Blogging of the President&lt;/a&gt;Sunday, April 09, 2006 4:04:30 AM GMT-6
&lt;a&gt;The Bureau of Labor
Statistics reported yesterday:&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;b&gt;Nonfarm payroll employment increased by 211,000 in March, and the
unemployment rate was little changed at 4.7 percent,&lt;/b&gt; the Bureau of Labor
Statistics of the U.S. Department of Labor reported today. Over the month, job
growth was widespread in the service-providing sector.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot; &lt;a href=&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.blogsforbush.com/mt/archives/006867.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.blogsforbush.com/mt/archives/006867.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/a&gt; &quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Bush made the
following statement to promote this number:
&lt;blockquote&gt;This morning&#039;s economic report shows that America&#039;s growing economy
added 211,000 jobs in the month of March. The American economy has now added
jobs for 31 months in a row, created more than 5.1 million new jobs for American
workers. The unemployment rate is now down to 4.7 percent -- that&#039;s below the
average rate of the 1960s, 1970s, 1980s and 1990s.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Bush s record of job creation is still the worst of the last 40 years.

According to the &lt;a href=&quot; &lt;a href=&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nber.org/cycles.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.nber.org/cycles.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/a&gt; &quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;National Bureau
of Economic Research the last recession ended in November 2001. That means
we have had 54 months of an economic recovery. First, notice how Bush uses May
2003 as the starting point of his comparison? Why is he doing this? Because May
2003 is the lowest point of establishment job creation in his administration.
Since the &lt;i&gt;actual&lt;/i&gt; trough in November 2001 &lt;b&gt;Bush s economy has created
4,083,000 jobs.&lt;/b&gt; At the same point (54 months) all other expansions of the
last 40 years had created more jobs.

At 54 months,

The expansion starting in February 1961 created 6,550,000 jobs

The expansion starting in November 1970 created 6,240,000 jobs

The expansion starting in March 1975 created 13,565,000 jobs

The expansion starting in November 1982 created 12,366,000 jobs

The expansion starting in March 1991 created 8,718,000 jobs.

Therefore, &lt;b&gt;Bush s economy would have to create 2,157,000 jobs to be
&lt;i&gt;second to last &lt;/i&gt;on this list.&lt;/b&gt;

There is no way that Bush can create enough jobs to increase his rank to 4th
on the list. At this point, he will go down as presiding over the weakest
records of job creation of the second half to the 20th century.

Shameless Plug: If you are interested and economically inclined, &lt;a href=&quot;http://myleftwing.libsyn.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;My Left Wing&lt;/a&gt; has a podcast of my
presentation of the  6 Fundamental Problems of the US Economy.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.bopnews.com/archives/006243.html#6243" rel="nofollow">Bush&#8217;s Job Creation Record Worst of Last 40 Years (Still)</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.bopnews.com/archives/006243.html#6243" rel="nofollow">The Blogging of the President</a>Sunday, April 09, 2006 4:04:30 AM GMT-6<br />
<a>The Bureau of Labor<br />
Statistics reported yesterday:</a></p>
<blockquote><p><b>Nonfarm payroll employment increased by 211,000 in March, and the<br />
unemployment rate was little changed at 4.7 percent,</b> the Bureau of Labor<br />
Statistics of the U.S. Department of Labor reported today. Over the month, job<br />
growth was widespread in the service-providing sector.</p></blockquote>
<p><a href=" <a href=" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://www.blogsforbush.com/mt/archives/006867.html" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://www.blogsforbush.com/mt/archives/006867.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.blogsforbush.com/mt/archives/006867.html</a> &#8221; rel=&#8221;nofollow&#8221;>Bush made the<br />
following statement to promote this number:</p>
<blockquote><p>This morning&#8217;s economic report shows that America&#8217;s growing economy<br />
added 211,000 jobs in the month of March. The American economy has now added<br />
jobs for 31 months in a row, created more than 5.1 million new jobs for American<br />
workers. The unemployment rate is now down to 4.7 percent &#8212; that&#8217;s below the<br />
average rate of the 1960s, 1970s, 1980s and 1990s.</p></blockquote>
<p>Bush s record of job creation is still the worst of the last 40 years.</p>
<p>According to the <a href=" <a href=" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://www.nber.org/cycles.html" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://www.nber.org/cycles.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.nber.org/cycles.html</a> &#8221; rel=&#8221;nofollow&#8221;>National Bureau<br />
of Economic Research the last recession ended in November 2001. That means<br />
we have had 54 months of an economic recovery. First, notice how Bush uses May<br />
2003 as the starting point of his comparison? Why is he doing this? Because May<br />
2003 is the lowest point of establishment job creation in his administration.<br />
Since the <i>actual</i> trough in November 2001 <b>Bush s economy has created<br />
4,083,000 jobs.</b> At the same point (54 months) all other expansions of the<br />
last 40 years had created more jobs.</p>
<p>At 54 months,</p>
<p>The expansion starting in February 1961 created 6,550,000 jobs</p>
<p>The expansion starting in November 1970 created 6,240,000 jobs</p>
<p>The expansion starting in March 1975 created 13,565,000 jobs</p>
<p>The expansion starting in November 1982 created 12,366,000 jobs</p>
<p>The expansion starting in March 1991 created 8,718,000 jobs.</p>
<p>Therefore, <b>Bush s economy would have to create 2,157,000 jobs to be<br />
<i>second to last </i>on this list.</b></p>
<p>There is no way that Bush can create enough jobs to increase his rank to 4th<br />
on the list. At this point, he will go down as presiding over the weakest<br />
records of job creation of the second half to the 20th century.</p>
<p>Shameless Plug: If you are interested and economically inclined, <a href="http://myleftwing.libsyn.com/" rel="nofollow">My Left Wing</a> has a podcast of my<br />
presentation of the  6 Fundamental Problems of the US Economy.</p>
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		<title>By: JWG</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/04/07/one-economic-point/#comment-29648</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Apr 2006 19:04:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, factcheck. I wonder if this accounts for the difference (from the Clinton link):
&lt;blockquote&gt;The economy has created 22.2 million new jobs since January 1993...And 19.9 million of the new jobs were created in the private sector&lt;/blockquote&gt;
For my own personal curiosity, I&#039;ll spend a little time when I&#039;m free comparing the stats in your links to the ones provided by Forbes and MSNBC. It&#039;d be nice if the BLS made it a little easier to find overall data.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, factcheck. I wonder if this accounts for the difference (from the Clinton link):</p>
<blockquote><p>The economy has created 22.2 million new jobs since January 1993&#8230;And 19.9 million of the new jobs were created in the private sector</p></blockquote>
<p>For my own personal curiosity, I&#8217;ll spend a little time when I&#8217;m free comparing the stats in your links to the ones provided by Forbes and MSNBC. It&#8217;d be nice if the BLS made it a little easier to find overall data.</p>
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		<title>By: Marty</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/04/07/one-economic-point/#comment-29646</link>
		<dc:creator>Marty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Apr 2006 18:04:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MikMik- Oliver had a question, I gave the correct answer. And you are absolutely right in your point as well.

And if you look at the current data (unrevised as of yet) you&#039;ll see that the unemployed labor force is currently at 4.7 percent. So the rise in the number of the employable labor force has been absorbed by the rise in the number of new jobs despite the recession in the first year of the first term of the this President.

Could any of the economic policies of the current administration be credited for that turnaround? How about the turnaround in economic growth?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MikMik- Oliver had a question, I gave the correct answer. And you are absolutely right in your point as well.</p>
<p>And if you look at the current data (unrevised as of yet) you&#8217;ll see that the unemployed labor force is currently at 4.7 percent. So the rise in the number of the employable labor force has been absorbed by the rise in the number of new jobs despite the recession in the first year of the first term of the this President.</p>
<p>Could any of the economic policies of the current administration be credited for that turnaround? How about the turnaround in economic growth?</p>
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		<title>By: duros62</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Apr 2006 18:04:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Man, you guys really take this shit too seriously.
Oliver has a little fun with Excel and commonly known economic data, and all of a sudden you&#039;re all economics experts. Three pages over, you&#039;re all immagration experts. Four pages past that and you&#039;re all military strategists.
The gist of Oliver&#039;s chart is that the Dow climbed higher and faster during the Clinton presidency and has not climbed so high and so fast under Bush. That&#039;s it. I&#039;m sure there are hundreds of theories as to why, and they can&#039;t all be right.
Get over yourselves.
Bottom line; $200+ surplus vs. $3 trillion deficit.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Man, you guys really take this shit too seriously.<br />
Oliver has a little fun with Excel and commonly known economic data, and all of a sudden you&#8217;re all economics experts. Three pages over, you&#8217;re all immagration experts. Four pages past that and you&#8217;re all military strategists.<br />
The gist of Oliver&#8217;s chart is that the Dow climbed higher and faster during the Clinton presidency and has not climbed so high and so fast under Bush. That&#8217;s it. I&#8217;m sure there are hundreds of theories as to why, and they can&#8217;t all be right.<br />
Get over yourselves.<br />
Bottom line; $200+ surplus vs. $3 trillion deficit.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank_D</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/04/07/one-economic-point/#comment-29645</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Apr 2006 18:04:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I don&#039;t think that Presidents should take credit for economic upturnd, or blame for economic downturns, they do.

Meanwhile, someone asked about the &quot;kinds of jobs&quot; being created (obviously they had in mind to minimize Bush&#039;s laudatory job creation / unemployment stats by some reference to the &quot;lowly task&quot; of burger flipping which, of course, is not a lowly task, but, rather, the firat employment for many HS students and recent grads):&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;Unemployment declined to 4.7 percent last month, approaching a five-year low, as the economy churned out 211,000 new jobs -- a sign of steady economic growth and good news for cash-strapped consumers.
Nearly all the job gains were in services and professions such as health care, hospitality, retail, architecture and engineering, with manufacturing posting a decline of 5,000 jobs, the Labor Department reported yesterday. Average wage gains fell off slightly to a 3.4 percent pace over last year, but remained near five-year highs.
Many signs have emerged of a strengthening labor market this year. Joblessness is falling among all the main worker groups, from blacks and Hispanics to adult white men and women, and the number of discouraged workers and people working part-time because they must is dwindling. The number of workers on unemployment rolls is dropping by the week.
&quot;The job market is good, and there is no danger of a sudden end to the economic expansion,&quot; despite a sharp slowdown in the housing market, high energy prices, and threats of bankruptcy in Detroit, said Roger M. Kubarych, an economist with HVB Group.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://tinyurl.com/o2ppx&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://tinyurl.com/o2ppx&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://tinyurl.com/o2ppx&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I don&#8217;t think that Presidents should take credit for economic upturnd, or blame for economic downturns, they do.</p>
<p>Meanwhile, someone asked about the &#8220;kinds of jobs&#8221; being created (obviously they had in mind to minimize Bush&#8217;s laudatory job creation / unemployment stats by some reference to the &#8220;lowly task&#8221; of burger flipping which, of course, is not a lowly task, but, rather, the firat employment for many HS students and recent grads):<br />
<blockquote><i>Unemployment declined to 4.7 percent last month, approaching a five-year low, as the economy churned out 211,000 new jobs &#8212; a sign of steady economic growth and good news for cash-strapped consumers.<br />
Nearly all the job gains were in services and professions such as health care, hospitality, retail, architecture and engineering, with manufacturing posting a decline of 5,000 jobs, the Labor Department reported yesterday. Average wage gains fell off slightly to a 3.4 percent pace over last year, but remained near five-year highs.<br />
Many signs have emerged of a strengthening labor market this year. Joblessness is falling among all the main worker groups, from blacks and Hispanics to adult white men and women, and the number of discouraged workers and people working part-time because they must is dwindling. The number of workers on unemployment rolls is dropping by the week.<br />
&#8220;The job market is good, and there is no danger of a sudden end to the economic expansion,&#8221; despite a sharp slowdown in the housing market, high energy prices, and threats of bankruptcy in Detroit, said Roger M. Kubarych, an economist with HVB Group.</i></p></blockquote>
<p><a href="http://tinyurl.com/o2ppx" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://tinyurl.com/o2ppx" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/o2ppx</a></p>
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		<title>By: factcheck</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/04/07/one-economic-point/#comment-29644</link>
		<dc:creator>factcheck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Apr 2006 15:04:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://clinton3.nara.gov/WH/New/00BudgetFramework/appendix2.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://clinton3.nara.gov/WH/New/00BudgetFramework/appendix2.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://clinton3.nara.gov/WH/New/00BudgetFramework/appendix2.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;
This is through June 2000, by the way.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jobs_created_during_U.S._presidential_terms#Methodology&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jobs_created_during_U.S._presidential_terms#Methodology&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jobs_created_during_U.S._presidential_terms#Methodology&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;
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This is through June 2000, by the way.</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jobs_created_during_U.S._presidential_terms#Methodology" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jobs_created_during_U.S._presidential_terms#Methodology" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jobs_created_during_U.S._presidential_terms#Methodology</a></p>
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		<title>By: JWG</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/04/07/one-economic-point/#comment-29643</link>
		<dc:creator>JWG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Apr 2006 13:04:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Clinton AVERAGED 250k through the 8 years of his Presidency&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Do you have a source for this &quot;fact,&quot; Factcheck?
That would be 24 million jobs. The best I can &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5474580/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;find&lt;/a&gt; is 18 million jobs over his 8 years (which is excellent).
&lt;blockquote&gt;after inheriting Bush seniors bad economy&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Yeah, the recession which ended 2 years before he took office. Clinton &quot;inherited&quot; a rising economy.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Clinton AVERAGED 250k through the 8 years of his Presidency</p></blockquote>
<p>Do you have a source for this &#8220;fact,&#8221; Factcheck?<br />
That would be 24 million jobs. The best I can <a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5474580/" rel="nofollow">find</a> is 18 million jobs over his 8 years (which is excellent).</p>
<blockquote><p>after inheriting Bush seniors bad economy</p></blockquote>
<p>Yeah, the recession which ended 2 years before he took office. Clinton &#8220;inherited&#8221; a rising economy.</p>
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		<title>By: JWG</title>
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		<dc:creator>JWG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Apr 2006 12:04:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;So did they stop including the price of food, real estate, cars, gasoline and health care in the inflation rate?&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Buma, inflation is based on the Consumer Price Index. Please feel free to go to any economic source and dispute my claim of 11% inflation (more acurately it&#039;s closer to 11.3%) from 2000-2005.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>So did they stop including the price of food, real estate, cars, gasoline and health care in the inflation rate?</p></blockquote>
<p>Buma, inflation is based on the Consumer Price Index. Please feel free to go to any economic source and dispute my claim of 11% inflation (more acurately it&#8217;s closer to 11.3%) from 2000-2005.</p>
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		<title>By: mikmik</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/04/07/one-economic-point/#comment-29641</link>
		<dc:creator>mikmik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Apr 2006 07:04:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marty Says&lt;i&gt;We ve gone from 135,999,000 to 143,641,00 jobs since January 2001.&lt;/i&gt;

That&#039;s funny. I could swear the number of people of employable age must have growm by at least that ....

Oh, there are more unemployed under Bush (up to 2005 inclusive), approximately 8,500
&lt;a href=&quot;ftp://ftp.bls.gov/pub/special.requests/lf/aat1.txt&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Employment status of the civilian noninstitutional population, 1940 to date&lt;/a&gt;
It is from the same site you reference, Marty!

So, if the number of jobs created is 7,750, but the number of unemployed &quot;not in labor force&quot; has grown, and the number of unemployed over all has grown, then try to pawn off stats as showing increased employment numbers is a con job, is it not?

The number of unemplayed has grown, and the percent of unemployed has grown - after dramatic decreases under Clinton.

Get your facts straight, all of them, not selectively like all the con admin.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marty Says<i>We ve gone from 135,999,000 to 143,641,00 jobs since January 2001.</i></p>
<p>That&#8217;s funny. I could swear the number of people of employable age must have growm by at least that &#8230;.</p>
<p>Oh, there are more unemployed under Bush (up to 2005 inclusive), approximately 8,500<br />
<a href="ftp://ftp.bls.gov/pub/special.requests/lf/aat1.txt" rel="nofollow">Employment status of the civilian noninstitutional population, 1940 to date</a><br />
It is from the same site you reference, Marty!</p>
<p>So, if the number of jobs created is 7,750, but the number of unemployed &#8220;not in labor force&#8221; has grown, and the number of unemployed over all has grown, then try to pawn off stats as showing increased employment numbers is a con job, is it not?</p>
<p>The number of unemplayed has grown, and the percent of unemployed has grown &#8211; after dramatic decreases under Clinton.</p>
<p>Get your facts straight, all of them, not selectively like all the con admin.</p>
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		<title>By: buma</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Apr 2006 05:04:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JWG Says:

April 7th, 2006 at 7:21 pm
inflation since 2000 (probably 15-20%)

11%
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<p>April 7th, 2006 at 7:21 pm<br />
inflation since 2000 (probably 15-20%)</p>
<p>11%</p>
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		<title>By: JK</title>
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		<dc:creator>JK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Apr 2006 05:04:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, Marty. You&#039;ve got it down pat, if you&#039;re a conservative in heat, but you&#039;re forgetting a few small facts about the Clinton years.

Two words. Robert Rubin.

Two more words. Deficit reduction.

Not one GOP vote for Clinton&#039;s 93&#039;  Economic Plan. Not one. They all predicted doom and gloom, because Bill Clinton DARED raise taxes on the top 5% income earners. What happened? Unprecedented peace, and prosperity. I&#039;m sorry you had to pay an extra 3 cents at the pump, Mar-tee.

The result? Reagan&#039;s monsterous deficits were turned into surplus.  I guess Stockman was right about Reagan.

Sound fiscal policy at the right time makes a difference. Robert Rubin knew that the only way to right the ship was to get those nasty deficits under control--the same deficits that crowd out private investment.

Bush has us pushing huge deficits again.

You clowns have NO credibility on the economy. The last 4 Presidents have created in the following order:

Reagan    Massive deficits and unemployment. Credit card economy.

Bush I       Recession

Clinton     Deficits turned into surplus, low inflation and unemployment

Bush II   Return of massive debt, sputtering economy

Why do you think that nearly EVERY polll taken in the past 5 years has the American public squarely on the side of the Democratic party, when it comes to managing the economy.  It&#039;s because they have seen what 3 Republican Presidents have done, and compared that to 8 years under a moderate Democrat, who happened to have more intelligence, and a gut instinct to do the right thing on the economy, than the 2 GOP leaders who preceded him, and the ABSOLUTE unfit for office moron that came after him.

You can throw your bls crap at us all you want. The proof, is in the years we have all lived under Reagan, Bush I (a good man), Clinton, and Bush II (a shell of his Father).


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, Marty. You&#8217;ve got it down pat, if you&#8217;re a conservative in heat, but you&#8217;re forgetting a few small facts about the Clinton years.</p>
<p>Two words. Robert Rubin.</p>
<p>Two more words. Deficit reduction.</p>
<p>Not one GOP vote for Clinton&#8217;s 93&#8242;  Economic Plan. Not one. They all predicted doom and gloom, because Bill Clinton DARED raise taxes on the top 5% income earners. What happened? Unprecedented peace, and prosperity. I&#8217;m sorry you had to pay an extra 3 cents at the pump, Mar-tee.</p>
<p>The result? Reagan&#8217;s monsterous deficits were turned into surplus.  I guess Stockman was right about Reagan.</p>
<p>Sound fiscal policy at the right time makes a difference. Robert Rubin knew that the only way to right the ship was to get those nasty deficits under control&#8211;the same deficits that crowd out private investment.</p>
<p>Bush has us pushing huge deficits again.</p>
<p>You clowns have NO credibility on the economy. The last 4 Presidents have created in the following order:</p>
<p>Reagan    Massive deficits and unemployment. Credit card economy.</p>
<p>Bush I       Recession</p>
<p>Clinton     Deficits turned into surplus, low inflation and unemployment</p>
<p>Bush II   Return of massive debt, sputtering economy</p>
<p>Why do you think that nearly EVERY polll taken in the past 5 years has the American public squarely on the side of the Democratic party, when it comes to managing the economy.  It&#8217;s because they have seen what 3 Republican Presidents have done, and compared that to 8 years under a moderate Democrat, who happened to have more intelligence, and a gut instinct to do the right thing on the economy, than the 2 GOP leaders who preceded him, and the ABSOLUTE unfit for office moron that came after him.</p>
<p>You can throw your bls crap at us all you want. The proof, is in the years we have all lived under Reagan, Bush I (a good man), Clinton, and Bush II (a shell of his Father).</p>
<p>JK</p>
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		<title>By: Oliver Willis</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Apr 2006 05:04:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s see - I never defended Carter&#039;s economic policies, that&#039;s why I classify myself as a &quot;New Democrat&quot; when it comes to most economic policies. I also think it&#039;s funny that one is now required to have been a certain age in order to look at the historical record. Reagan ran up massive deficits that slowed down the economy, Bush Sr. went against conservative orthodoxy to try somewhat to alleviate the problem - and paid the price (&quot;No new taxes&quot; - I actually remember that one, young lad though I may have been). I also remember the forecasts of economic disaster when Clinton raised the tax rates but those voices of doom were soon washed out when the economy began rolling like gangbusters. Yes, Clinton&#039;s economic policies were not as liberal after we lost congress in &#039;94, but by &#039;96 he easily coasted to re-election with real political capital and continued to put our economic house in order creating a surplus. Sure there was a slowdown after the dotcom bubble popped but we were in good fiscal shape when Bush came into office. Then he one-upped Reaganomics and plunged us into massive debt again.

And ever heard of a housing bubble?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s see &#8211; I never defended Carter&#8217;s economic policies, that&#8217;s why I classify myself as a &#8220;New Democrat&#8221; when it comes to most economic policies. I also think it&#8217;s funny that one is now required to have been a certain age in order to look at the historical record. Reagan ran up massive deficits that slowed down the economy, Bush Sr. went against conservative orthodoxy to try somewhat to alleviate the problem &#8211; and paid the price (&#8221;No new taxes&#8221; &#8211; I actually remember that one, young lad though I may have been). I also remember the forecasts of economic disaster when Clinton raised the tax rates but those voices of doom were soon washed out when the economy began rolling like gangbusters. Yes, Clinton&#8217;s economic policies were not as liberal after we lost congress in &#8216;94, but by &#8216;96 he easily coasted to re-election with real political capital and continued to put our economic house in order creating a surplus. Sure there was a slowdown after the dotcom bubble popped but we were in good fiscal shape when Bush came into office. Then he one-upped Reaganomics and plunged us into massive debt again.</p>
<p>And ever heard of a housing bubble?</p>
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		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/04/07/one-economic-point/#comment-29637</link>
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		<description>So did they stop including the price of food, real estate, cars, gasoline and health care in the inflation rate?
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		<title>By: JWG</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/04/07/one-economic-point/#comment-29636</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Apr 2006 03:04:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nber.org/cycles/november2001/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Technically&lt;/a&gt;, the &quot;Clinton Boom&quot; began in March &#039;91 (almost two years before Clinton took office) and ended in March &#039;01 (2 months after Bush took office). But, please, don&#039;t let facts get in the way of your Clinton love fest.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.nber.org/cycles/november2001/" rel="nofollow">Technically</a>, the &#8220;Clinton Boom&#8221; began in March &#8216;91 (almost two years before Clinton took office) and ended in March &#8216;01 (2 months after Bush took office). But, please, don&#8217;t let facts get in the way of your Clinton love fest.</p>
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		<title>By: Marty</title>
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		<description>Uh, Oliver? It really shows that you were only 15 at the beginning of the Clinton years, because the very brief, very mild recession of early 1991  ended by the 2nd quarter of 1992 and the economy was on an upward swing again. In fact, economic growth was at a higher percentage in 1992 than in 1993 or 1995.  In other words, my young friend- there was not recession when Clinton came into office.

The 1993 budget which began in earnest in 1994 actually slowed  the rate of growth, although we never were in any danger of going back into recession.

Your &quot;Clinton Economy&quot; really didn&#039;t get going until after the &quot;Government Shutdown&quot;  that ended in January 1995 when Clinton was forced to agree to a series of tax cuts (although not as large as some of us wanted at the time), and the Fed began a series of interest rate cuts, and the Internet boom really started to take off. (And that boom had nothing to do with anybody&#039;s policies as much as it had to do with the innovation of some very smart people.)

The rate cuts combined with the tax cuts were a boon to us in the banking and mortgage industries as mortgage rates dropped for the first of  several waves of refinancing booms, and the housing sector really began to grow and remained hot up until this last year when it has finally gone back to normal (somewhat.) In fact it was the housing sector along with the wild technology boom in the stock markets that created most of the new jobs and economic growth in the mid to late 90s.

And it was that series of tax cuts, interest rate cuts, and huge gains in the stock market combined with about $450 billion  in cuts to medicare, medicaid, and other domestic programs agreed to by Clinton and Congress that contributed to the budget surplusses.

Stick to what you know Oliver. Economics isn&#039;t it. (But I did get a really good laugh at the &quot;Reagan-Bush&quot; recession line. Perhaps you&#039;d like to know what it was like in this country economically during the first few years of your life. Malaise anyone?)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uh, Oliver? It really shows that you were only 15 at the beginning of the Clinton years, because the very brief, very mild recession of early 1991  ended by the 2nd quarter of 1992 and the economy was on an upward swing again. In fact, economic growth was at a higher percentage in 1992 than in 1993 or 1995.  In other words, my young friend- there was not recession when Clinton came into office.</p>
<p>The 1993 budget which began in earnest in 1994 actually slowed  the rate of growth, although we never were in any danger of going back into recession.</p>
<p>Your &#8220;Clinton Economy&#8221; really didn&#8217;t get going until after the &#8220;Government Shutdown&#8221;  that ended in January 1995 when Clinton was forced to agree to a series of tax cuts (although not as large as some of us wanted at the time), and the Fed began a series of interest rate cuts, and the Internet boom really started to take off. (And that boom had nothing to do with anybody&#8217;s policies as much as it had to do with the innovation of some very smart people.)</p>
<p>The rate cuts combined with the tax cuts were a boon to us in the banking and mortgage industries as mortgage rates dropped for the first of  several waves of refinancing booms, and the housing sector really began to grow and remained hot up until this last year when it has finally gone back to normal (somewhat.) In fact it was the housing sector along with the wild technology boom in the stock markets that created most of the new jobs and economic growth in the mid to late 90s.</p>
<p>And it was that series of tax cuts, interest rate cuts, and huge gains in the stock market combined with about $450 billion  in cuts to medicare, medicaid, and other domestic programs agreed to by Clinton and Congress that contributed to the budget surplusses.</p>
<p>Stick to what you know Oliver. Economics isn&#8217;t it. (But I did get a really good laugh at the &#8220;Reagan-Bush&#8221; recession line. Perhaps you&#8217;d like to know what it was like in this country economically during the first few years of your life. Malaise anyone?)</p>
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		<title>By: sam</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Apr 2006 03:04:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;And that boom had nothing to do with anybody s policies as much as it had to do with the innovation of some very smart people.&quot;

Absolutely! To which I&#039;ll add that the boom came to end largely because it wasn&#039;t based on actual profits from companies such as Yahoo and Amazon, but rather, as Alan Greenspan termed it... &quot;irrational exhuberance.&quot;

Did ever see that on TV or read it in your Weekly Reader Oliver?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;And that boom had nothing to do with anybody s policies as much as it had to do with the innovation of some very smart people.&#8221;</p>
<p>Absolutely! To which I&#8217;ll add that the boom came to end largely because it wasn&#8217;t based on actual profits from companies such as Yahoo and Amazon, but rather, as Alan Greenspan termed it&#8230; &#8220;irrational exhuberance.&#8221;</p>
<p>Did ever see that on TV or read it in your Weekly Reader Oliver?</p>
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		<title>By: Marty</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Apr 2006 03:04:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Leading up to the election, Bush as the first president since Hoover with a net job loss since he became president. I don t know what the current number is but I believe he s still below what he came in with or just slightly above it. No great achievement. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Way to word that very carefully, Oliver, because you know that talking point was wiped out prior the President taking his oath of office for the second time. Fact is, there was a net gain of jobs between his  first and second oaths of office, despite the the inherited downturn, a major attack on the U.S. and a two front war.

To answer your second nonsensical point, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, we are currently at a net gain of 7,642,000 jobs during the Bush Presidency, the vast majority of them since the beginning of his second term. (I&#039;m sure that&#039;s something you didn&#039;t hear at work or read in the Washington Post, eh Oliver.)

We&#039;ve gone from 135,999,000 to 143,641,00 jobs since January 2001. That after a brief recession after a certain even that rocked the economy of most of the world.

Look it up yourself-  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bls.gov/ces/home.htm#overview.&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bls.gov/ces/home.htm#overview.&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.bls.gov/ces/home.htm#overview.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Leading up to the election, Bush as the first president since Hoover with a net job loss since he became president. I don t know what the current number is but I believe he s still below what he came in with or just slightly above it. No great achievement. </p></blockquote>
<p>Way to word that very carefully, Oliver, because you know that talking point was wiped out prior the President taking his oath of office for the second time. Fact is, there was a net gain of jobs between his  first and second oaths of office, despite the the inherited downturn, a major attack on the U.S. and a two front war.</p>
<p>To answer your second nonsensical point, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, we are currently at a net gain of 7,642,000 jobs during the Bush Presidency, the vast majority of them since the beginning of his second term. (I&#8217;m sure that&#8217;s something you didn&#8217;t hear at work or read in the Washington Post, eh Oliver.)</p>
<p>We&#8217;ve gone from 135,999,000 to 143,641,00 jobs since January 2001. That after a brief recession after a certain even that rocked the economy of most of the world.</p>
<p>Look it up yourself-  <a href="http://www.bls.gov/ces/home.htm#overview." rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://www.bls.gov/ces/home.htm#overview." rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://www.bls.gov/ces/home.htm#overview" rel="nofollow">http://www.bls.gov/ces/home.htm#overview</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/04/07/one-economic-point/#comment-29632</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Apr 2006 03:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marty,

BLAMMO!

If Oliver were a cartoon character, he would just now be staggering back to his feet with a huge knot popping out of his head and twittering birds flying around.

I&#039;m glad you mentioned real estate.  I bought my first home in 1993 for $42,000.  We sold it three years ago for $78,000.  Pretty nice return on investment, I&#039;d say.

And one more thing: the NASDAQ took its first nosedive in March 2000.  That&#039;s the event that really precipitated the collapse of the &quot;Internet Bubble.&quot;
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<p>BLAMMO!</p>
<p>If Oliver were a cartoon character, he would just now be staggering back to his feet with a huge knot popping out of his head and twittering birds flying around.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m glad you mentioned real estate.  I bought my first home in 1993 for $42,000.  We sold it three years ago for $78,000.  Pretty nice return on investment, I&#8217;d say.</p>
<p>And one more thing: the NASDAQ took its first nosedive in March 2000.  That&#8217;s the event that really precipitated the collapse of the &#8220;Internet Bubble.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: sam</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/04/07/one-economic-point/#comment-29631</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Apr 2006 02:04:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;(my first vote ever was for Bill Clinton and Al Gore in Novemeber of 1996)&quot;

Shocking I say. And how exactly did the &#039;93 Clinton budget usher in the the greatest decade of economic prosperity known to man? Specifics please.

So you were reading and watching TV at the tender age of 15? Good for you. That explains how you&#039;ve come to know just about everything there is to know.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;(my first vote ever was for Bill Clinton and Al Gore in Novemeber of 1996)&#8221;</p>
<p>Shocking I say. And how exactly did the &#8216;93 Clinton budget usher in the the greatest decade of economic prosperity known to man? Specifics please.</p>
<p>So you were reading and watching TV at the tender age of 15? Good for you. That explains how you&#8217;ve come to know just about everything there is to know.</p>
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		<title>By: sam</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Apr 2006 01:04:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;It was Clinton s econ program that helped spur investment that led to the boom.......Leading up to the election, Bush as the first president since Hoover with a net job loss since he became president. I don t know what the current number is but I believe he s still below what he came in with or just slightly above it. No great achievement.&quot;

You really have no clue, do you junior? You were still a pimply faced teenager through most of Clinton&#039;s tenure. You spew this nonsense every month or so and yet I never read about what the specifics of his Master Plan really were. We ask you to specify which particular policies singlehandedly handed down by the Great and Powerful Oz led to the 90&#039;s utopia for which you swoon and all we hear is crickets. Maybe this time we&#039;ll get lucky and actually hear your well-reasoned and insightful economic prognostications. I know I can&#039;t wait.

The recession began in 2000 before Bush even took office. It wasn&#039;t Clinton&#039;s fault. Admit it wasn&#039;t Bush&#039;s either. Your chart, as well as your knowledge of economics is really quite a joke.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It was Clinton s econ program that helped spur investment that led to the boom&#8230;&#8230;.Leading up to the election, Bush as the first president since Hoover with a net job loss since he became president. I don t know what the current number is but I believe he s still below what he came in with or just slightly above it. No great achievement.&#8221;</p>
<p>You really have no clue, do you junior? You were still a pimply faced teenager through most of Clinton&#8217;s tenure. You spew this nonsense every month or so and yet I never read about what the specifics of his Master Plan really were. We ask you to specify which particular policies singlehandedly handed down by the Great and Powerful Oz led to the 90&#8217;s utopia for which you swoon and all we hear is crickets. Maybe this time we&#8217;ll get lucky and actually hear your well-reasoned and insightful economic prognostications. I know I can&#8217;t wait.</p>
<p>The recession began in 2000 before Bush even took office. It wasn&#8217;t Clinton&#8217;s fault. Admit it wasn&#8217;t Bush&#8217;s either. Your chart, as well as your knowledge of economics is really quite a joke.</p>
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