America’s Harry Taylor Moment
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VIDEO: Bush Event Goes Off Script
I feel like despite your rhetoric, that compassion and common sense have been left far behind during your administration, Taylor said, standing in a balcony seat and looking down at Bush on stage. And I would hope from time to time that you have the humility and grace to be ashamed of yourself.
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“The multiplying villainies of nature do swarm upon him.” MacBeth
“Either Americans still retain freedom of speech, or Rove was in the bathroom at the time.”
Given the strict ideological vetting and approval process people have to go through to get into these events, yes, apparently Rove was in the bathroom on this one. And yes Americans still retain freedom of speech with one small addendum: People can say whatever they want as long as the President doesn’t have to listen to someone criticize him. This guy wasn’t an example of free speech in action, he is an example of a breakdown in the system set in place to keep the president in his happy little bubble.
regardless of the consequences, that guy’s got big, brass ones. I give him mad kudos for standing up and being heard. Bravo to that citizen, and bravo to the 1st amendment.
Uh, if this guy’s phone wasn’t tapped before, it probably is now …
Considering one can be arrested for simply wearing an anti-Bush shirt to one of these love-fests, this poor guy is probably in holed up in Gitmo as an enemy combatant.
Yes, I find it interesting that he wasn’t beaten, dragged out, and loaded onto a black helicopter. Either Americans still retain freedom of speech, or Rove was in the bathroom at the time.
yes the leftists definately picture themselves the purveyors of “truth”
As long as “truth” is a subjective, unprovable “feeling” that they have…
It’s important that people still have the guts to speak truth to power- because the SCLM doesn’t. Witness the fellatio “Hardballs” performed on Delay the other night.
I just want to know how he got the soapbox he was standing on in the building….
Typical holier-than-thou leftist. Probably some limosine liberal who has never had to make a tough decision in his life…I am guess a sociologist or psychologist….definately sounds like the sort of tripe someone like that would trot out…
I just love the expression on the face on the woman next to him. I know it’s off topic, buy it just looks so funny.
Oh, come on. The guy is a rude, humorless ideologue. Next thing you know he’ll be hoping some Republican chokes to death on his own vomit.
Dugger
Next thing you know he ll be hoping some Republican chokes to death on his own vomit.
Typical holier-than-thou leftist. Probably some limosine liberal who has never had to make a tough decision in his life& I am guess a sociologist or psychologist& .definately sounds like the sort of tripe someone like that would trot out&
So, are you people sayin’ that a strawman is all you got? ‘Cause that’s all I see here.
Was Bush wearing a wire again?
CNN clipped a little bit out from that video. According to the WH Transcript, Dubya does a stumble of words during his response where he seemed to be talking with the voice in his head. This had an eeery sound to it like he might be wearing a wire again. Here are the missing words that were removed from the CNN video story:
THE PRESIDENT: I m going to start off with what you first said, if you don t mind, you said that I tap your phones [CNN clips]I think that s what you said. You tapped your phone I tapped your phones. Yes. No, that s right. Yes, no, let me finish…[CNN clips back]
He then proceeds to talk about the “decision he made to protect this country…”
Over at Think Progress, they have excerpted this section of the full transcript of the event. CNN clipped this part. I wonder if anyone can find the full video.
Check it out at Think Progress. This missing bit of text is about 2/3 of the way down the transcipt.
I don’t see what you’re talking about. I have morals and ethics.
But sometimes, a little bit of wit helps as well.
Well, when we’re reduced to putting people in “free speech zones” and domestic spying, then yea, I think it was kind of brave. This man has now gone from beimng an anonymous North Carolinian to being the target of every right-winger on the planet. He’s not profitting from this (I doubt he’ll get a book deal or anything. Maybe some exposure, but for what?) and he spoke his mind to the most powerful man in the world. I doubt anyone here, left or right, would have the balls to call the president (what would you have done if you met Clinton, pedro?) on his words and deeds. More power to him.
Oh, come on. The guy is a rude, humorless ideologue.
I guess he learns from you, Dugger.
BTW, is this Harry Taylor
Yes, how brave! He’s in a country that has celebrated freedom of speech for nearly 250 years, in a public place, with a television camera on him.
What did you honestly think was going to happen to him?
Balls, maybe
More balls than brains — definitely!
damn, you leftists truly DO believe that the “I know you are but what am I” gambit is an approved debating tactic!
Amazingly puerile….
Praise for Michael Moore’s latest cinematic tour-de-force, “The Truth Has an Anti-Republican Bias”:
“[A] rude, humorless ideologue.”
- Sean Hannity
“Typical holier-than-thou leftist. Probably some limosine liberal who has never had to make a tough decision in his life& ”
- Ann (“The Man”) Coulter
“More balls than brains….”
- Bill O’Reilly
“I just want to know how he got the soapbox he was standing on in the building& ”
- Jonah Goldberg
“* * * *” (Four Stars)
- TIME Magazine
“Two thumbs WAY up!”
- Ebert & Roeper
Well, I wish this was going to help get rid of Bush, but I don’t think it will. But that’s OK. I’m glad Mr. Taylor spoke his piece. Standing up in such an awful situation is desperately courageous, the courage of a mild-mannered person who just got pushed too far.
Bush, by contrast, looked mean and phony. As usual.
Whoever moderated my post above, forgot to close the italic tags, which makes the quotes indistinguishable from my response.
yes the leftists definately picture themselves the purveyors of truth
Ah, a strawman. Q’elle surprise.
As long as truth is a subjective, unprovable feeling that they have&
Did you bring any facts, or is this just a subjective, unprovable “feeling” you have?
Give this guy a cookie. It’s refreshing to see the POTUS being held accountable by Joe Citizen instead of having his arse kissed at a myriad of pre-scripted, staged propoganda “meetings”.
Do you truly believe that narcisistic diatribe was “holding the POTUS accountable”, really?
That was a disrespectual slap in the face. Had an inciteful question, perhaps he could be considered to have held him “accountable”
As it is, he looks like a petulant ass
That was a disrespectual slap in the face. Had an inciteful question, perhaps he could be considered to have held him accountable
In that case, please give us an example of an “insightful question” that holds the president “accountable” for something. Please try to avoid “questions” like, “Mr. President, how can patriotic Americans help you keep the treasonous Democrats from holding you accountable?”
Just give us an example of a question that would not be on the script, and that forces the president to account for his actions.
LB: Not me, so that’s one less than the whole world…
Perhaps you could name a few, and tell us what they said…
Given the strict ideological vetting and approval process people have to go through to get into these events… he is an example of a breakdown in the system set in place to keep the president in his happy little bubble.
You raise two interesting points: How is this “strict ideological vetting” done? Polygraph? Background investigations? Questionnaire? I’d like to hear more.
Second, up until a few months ago, all we’ve heard is how GW never faces an unfriendly audience. This is at least the third time he’s got questions like this, so does he get credit for facing an unfriendly audience? Of course not. There’s a “breakcown in the system.” How about “can’t win for losing,” anyone?
And, no, that was not an insightful question; that was a snarky statement disguised as a question from a “blue stater” (I’m guessing Vermont — they seem to grow ‘em nasty up there [see Dean, Howard]).
Could he have asked an insightful question critical of the President? Sure:
Mr. President, don’t you think we could shape this country up in two shakes of a lamb’s tail, if someone would head over to Congress, and kick some major Democrat bootay? Mr. President, you’ve been talking about “compassionate conservativism”, a term you borrowed from Marvin Olasky, since you ran for office the first time in 2000. I’m not sure I’ve seen too much of it. Could you give us some examples of that? You Hitler imitatin’, Cheney ass kissin’, grovelin’ before Halliburton sumbitch
It wasn’t really holding Shrubby “accountable”. It was venting. It was a rather windy grievance. As in “petitioning the government for the redress of”.
This is indeed what America is all about. Of course he isn’t going to get hauled off to Gitmo. But he will almost certainly get angry mail, email, and phone calls, including death threats, from various right-wing yahoos, I predict. He’ll also get dismembered in the Corporate Media and the right-wing talkingheads. Oh well, that’s life. Could be worse, but definitely not fun, and most people wouldn’t have the stones to risk it. I’m glad this guy did.
Guys like Mr. Taylor do my country proud. Good on him.
Is this Harry Taylor?
C’mon, seriously, who is Harry Taylor?
Oh come on Frank, have you read this thread?
“Oh, come on. The guy is a rude, humorless ideologue. Next thing you know he ll be hoping some Republican chokes to death on his own vomit.
Dugger”
“Typical holier-than-thou leftist. Probably some limosine liberal who has never had to make a tough decision in his life& I am guess a sociologist or psychologist& .definately sounds like the sort of tripe someone like that would trot out&
‘Dr’pedro”
“More balls than brains definitely!
Frank_D”
Like I said, he went from being one random guy to being someone that has folks like you insult and question.
I’m not that old, but I can’t to my recollection remember any other President who took critical comments or opened themselves up to “open” townhall meetings the way Bush does. Certainly not Clinton. Interesting, in the is clip, the President actually lets the man continue his questioning and even quites the crowd. Probably to allow the man to continue to look foolish on National Television, but that’s besides the point.
To suggest that the President doesn’t want this guy to breath clean air or that the President has tapped his phones just shows the utter lack of rational thinking that so many Bush critics display in attempts to speak through their driving hatred of the President.
LB: Oh, c’mon. That’s what, five people?
He was unheard of before he asked that so – called question.
Do you honestly think he wasn’t trying to call attention to himself?
Honestly, could he not have asked the question I wrote, with far less inflammatory effect?
Factcheck…
Agreed in principle. But I would point out that the issues you cite are usually discussed in terms of a law, judgment, or order of some sort. So while statements such as those you quote are exaggerations, they often refer to people who actually cannot do those things in a particular place or situation where they used to be able to.
LB, Even if you believe the man, you can’t deny his behaviour was rude.
Dugger
Some of the responses here remind me of the people who call into C-Span and complain that you “can’t speak your mind any more…”– a complaint which is made, of course, to C-Span’s audience of millions. No, sorry to disappoint you, but he was not arrested, nor was his phone tapped. He’s just a guy speaking his mind and that’s the end of it. Big deal. Oh and by the way, I didn’t watch the clip but I found the quote above to be eloquent and a little humorous. Good for him.
Yea, I know scratch it’s kind of like when wingnuts say things like
“You aren’t allowed to say Merry Christmas anymore”
“You aren’t allowed to fly the flag anymore”
“You aren’t allowed to say conservative ideas in the media”
Ok, what law, judgement, or order applies to any of these?
You aren t allowed to say Merry Christmas anymore
You aren t allowed to fly the flag anymore
You aren t allowed to say conservative ideas in the media
Read the response carefully folks in the link. Note that Oliver, in the interest of not using too much space on his blog, didn’t want to feature that part of the exchange. It might make the President look too reasonable.
Factcheck…
Tell you what…you find me an actual quote like the ones you made up, and together we can look at the circumstances.
Mr. Taylor’s words, “And I would hope from time to time that you have the humility and grace to be ashamed of yourself,” will come back to haunt him, in this world, or the next.
And, no, that’s not a death threat!
just like Michele Malkin and Ann Coulter, from liberals who don’t believe in violence…
It is funny to me that goatchowder thinks this was a redress of grievance. I don’t the constitution was meant to protect against a “grievance” that one of its citizens felt the president wasn’t ashamed enough for him. LOL
Mr Taylor may get an IRS audit this year, and the next several years. Not to mention death threats and whatnot. From compassionate conservatives, of course.
Read the response carefully folks in the link.
Thanks for the instructions, Marty.
Note that Oliver, in the interest of not using too much space on his blog, didn t want to feature that part of the exchange. It might make the President look too reasonable.
Did Oliver cherry pick any part of the exchange that makes the President look unreasonable? It seems to me he just included one small piece of a pretty long exchange, and provided a link for everyone to click on and “read carefully” (again, thanks for those valuable instructions above, nobody would have done that if it werent for you). But apparently your not happy unless the entire contents of the link arent copied and pasted for your convienience. I guess Oliver should just use his blog space to pla
last sentence got cut off, but it said
I guess Oliver should just use his blog space to plagiarize, so he can be more like Ben Domenech.