Comments on: GOP Out Of Touch Again?

By: factcheck

factcheck — Wed, 05 Apr 2006 19:04:04 +0000

“Let s just treat Mexican immigrants the way Mexico treats theirs -”

I thought you cons were sticklers for not using foreign laws as precedents for our own laws? Why the inconsistency?

By: zak822

zak822 — Tue, 04 Apr 2006 20:04:42 +0000

And, the same with Randy’s post. Is this an accurate take of the Mexican constitution? Truth is important.

By: zak822

zak822 — Tue, 04 Apr 2006 20:04:06 +0000

Ms. Malkin said “ [T]he vast majority of mainstream Hispanic politicians believe that the American Southwest belongs to Mexico .

I have heard this from other directions too. I have also heard it said in several places (sorry, no links handy) that Mexicans believe they have a right to enter the US unfettered. I raise these points because if they are true, we are looking at a different set of problems and questions.

Whichever side of the debate one stands on, we have to keep the truth in sight. Even if we don’t like it.

Does anyone know how accurate these are? Let us know. Keep us on track.

By: drpedro

drpedro — Tue, 04 Apr 2006 18:04:54 +0000

Great post randy….
will fall on deaf ears here though…

By: randy

randy — Tue, 04 Apr 2006 16:04:35 +0000

Let’s just treat Mexican “immigrants” the way Mexico treats theirs -

In brief, the Mexican Constitution states that:

” Immigrants and foreign visitors are banned from public political discourse.
” Immigrants and foreigners are denied certain basic property rights.
” Immigrants are denied equal employment rights.
” Immigrants and naturalized citizens will never be treated as real Mexican citizens.
” Immigrants and naturalized citizens are not to be trusted in public service.
” Immigrants and naturalized citizens may never become members of the clergy.
” Private citizens may make citizens arrests of lawbreakers (i.e., illegal immigrants)
and hand them to the authorities.
” Immigrants may be expelled from Mexico for any reason and without due process.

By: Dana

Dana — Tue, 04 Apr 2006 00:04:28 +0000

The GOP is in a conundrum about illegal immigration, because it pulls the party in both directions: on economics, the party is pulled toward supporting illegal immigration, as it results in lower cost products, but there is a natural revulsion amongst Republicans that the illegals are getting away with breaking the law. As one of the other writers on my site has put it, any program which rewards illegal immigrants with amnesty has rewarded lawbreaking over those who obeyed the law.

To pimp my own site, I have a fairly long article on just what it would take to end illegal immigration through law enforcement; the point that I make is that it would have to attack the demand side of the problem.

By: Dana

Dana — Tue, 04 Apr 2006 00:04:18 +0000

One additional comment: I do not believe that we would ever take the measures that I have suggested would need to be taken to end illegal immigration. The simple fact is that we have illegal immigration because we want illegal immigration, for the economic benefits it provides, and that while we might vote, once every couple of years, for somebody who promises to do something to end illegal immigration, we vote for such immigration every day, with our economic choices.

Illegal immigrants come to the United States for one reason: we pay them to come here.

By: Dana

Dana — Tue, 04 Apr 2006 00:04:12 +0000

I followed Frank’s link, and it seems to me that the question isn’t that whites are worried that they’d become a minority. Rather, the problem is one of assimilation: the perception (whether it is real or not doesn’t matter; the perception exists) is that a lot of the Mexican immigrants are not really interested in assimilation.

In my industry (ready-mixed concrete), I am continually hearing complaints from my drivers about crews who are reasonably good at their jobs but where only one man on the crew speaks English; this frequently makes the driver’s job more difficult. At least in my experience, if the Hispanic immigrants were making more of an effort to learn and use English, the animus against them would lessen significantly.

By: drpedro

drpedro — Mon, 03 Apr 2006 00:04:35 +0000

So fact, how many mexican racists would scare you? Where were the lefties screaming about the mexican racists?

Your silence speaks volumes…

By: Frank_D

Frank_D — Sun, 02 Apr 2006 20:04:09 +0000

It makes me more than nervous…

Look what happened to me, because I didn’t think we should just jettison the naturalization process

http://tinyurl.com/n5tvs

By: Rounds77

Rounds77 — Sun, 02 Apr 2006 19:04:34 +0000

One thing is for certain, as the Hispanic population in our country booms, so will the birthrate. This at a time when the world has reached or will very quickly reach peak oil production. Where are we going to get the resources to accomodate all those looking for the American dream of waste and excess while maintaining our own appetite to excessively waste? This whole topic makes me nervous.

By: stwendeler

stwendeler — Sun, 02 Apr 2006 18:04:56 +0000

why the heck should Democrats come to the political aid of someone who has worked so hard to denigrate us?

Ahh, yes… a true sign of statesmanship… It shouldn’t be about “political aid” but what is right for the country.

Is it the right policy? You yourself answered that in the affirmative. So, why the reluctance? I’m sure that millions of Hispanics will understand that the Dems won’t champion the guest worker program simply b/c they don’t want to give the President any credit at all for his position on the issue.

By: Frank_D

Frank_D — Sun, 02 Apr 2006 18:04:31 +0000

“To the victor, belong the spoils.”

All Presidents govern as if only one constituency in America mattered: their own. The only time they do anything for the people who didn’t vote for them, is when they want them to vote for them. Look at how well the Christian Coalition made out under Clinton.

By: Oliver Willis

Oliver Willis — Sat, 01 Apr 2006 21:04:44 +0000

but are unwilling to act because of their hatred for Bush
The president has been governing for over six years as if only one constituency in America mattered: Republicans. Now that he’s in trouble with Republicans, why the heck should Democrats come to the political aid of someone who has worked so hard to denigrate us?

By: Boink Me » » GOP Out Of Touch Again?

Boink Me » » GOP Out Of Touch Again? — Sat, 01 Apr 2006 21:04:20 +0000

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By: Chuckumentary

Chuckumentary — Sat, 01 Apr 2006 21:04:02 +0000

You’re right on the money Oliver… let’s be sensible shall we? Immigration is actually one thing the U.S. does right! And one thing Bush is moderate on, for good reason (probably economic, and trying not to shrink that Republican tent).

I’m sure you’re used to tuning out the noise, i.e. the above comments.

As for me, looking at those protesters — ha ha. Right on. They’re pissed off and rightfully so. I particularly like the signs about how they’re indigenous and the Europeans have been here illegally since 1492. All hyperbole of course, but what to you expect when you threaten to deport them all? The economy of border states would collapse, and it would be a nasty wrong turn for America.

By: stwendeler

stwendeler — Sat, 01 Apr 2006 20:04:58 +0000

Oliver - I too support the President’s pragmatic approach to the issue. I cannot support the Michael Savage / Michelle Malkin position on this matter. Like you, I’m probably represent the middle ground - guest worker with a timeline towards earning citizenship and locking down the border to prevent true security threats.

By the way, are you suggesting that the Dems actually support the President’s policy position, but are unwilling to act because of their hatred for Bush? Has BDS struck your entire party?

What a principled stance!

Regards,
St Wendeler from Another Rovian Conspiracy

By: drpedro

drpedro — Sat, 01 Apr 2006 19:04:23 +0000

how many supporters would worry you? there were 500 thousand there

Where is all the leftist anger and rhetoric against those racists? If it were a bunch of white supremacists, what would the headlines be..

F’ing hypocrite…..

By: factcheck

factcheck — Sat, 01 Apr 2006 17:04:42 +0000

And of course, all Mexicans support this group, what a maroon.

By: drpedro

drpedro — Sat, 01 Apr 2006 14:04:50 +0000

http://www.mexica-movement.org/granmarcha.htm

Taken a real close look at the photos and captions. My favorites are the ones describing what a mistake it was to hand out American flags to try to make it look like they support america, and the one where they wonder why so many politicians have “germanic names, and they should be the first to be deported”….

Yea Ollie, just a bunch of poor immigrants trying to make a living for their families, nothing to see here, just half a million immigrants being egged on by another set of racist demagogues….

You are on the wrong side of this one again….and before you knuckled under to the leftist, you actually had it right.