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		<title>By: Frank_D</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/03/31/blue-state-progress-vs-red-state-regression/#comment-28490</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank_D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Apr 2006 18:04:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gee, JK, I didn&#039;t know Chris Reeve was dead. I thought he went to Australia.

If you had ten times the brains you&#039;re using - half the brain of a normal person -- you would have realized that it was simply a clumsily formed sentence. It was an awkward idea to express, whether Chris (when he was alive, clown) was going to get up and walk, or people &lt;i&gt;like&lt;/i&gt; Chris Reeve were going to get up and walk, &lt;i&gt;no one&lt;/i&gt; is going to guarantee that they can cure paralysis simply by virtue of embryonic SCR.

I think those Mercedes fumes are getting to you, Jackie. Time for an emissions inspection?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gee, JK, I didn&#8217;t know Chris Reeve was dead. I thought he went to Australia.</p>
<p>If you had ten times the brains you&#8217;re using &#8211; half the brain of a normal person &#8212; you would have realized that it was simply a clumsily formed sentence. It was an awkward idea to express, whether Chris (when he was alive, clown) was going to get up and walk, or people <i>like</i> Chris Reeve were going to get up and walk, <i>no one</i> is going to guarantee that they can cure paralysis simply by virtue of embryonic SCR.</p>
<p>I think those Mercedes fumes are getting to you, Jackie. Time for an emissions inspection?</p>
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		<title>By: JK</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/03/31/blue-state-progress-vs-red-state-regression/#comment-28489</link>
		<dc:creator>JK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Apr 2006 03:04:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;&gt;So the truth, people like Chris Reeve, or Chris Reeve himself

Frank, you stupid idiot.

Christopher Reeve is dead.

You are an unthinking, unfeeling, clump of mush.

JK
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>>>So the truth, people like Chris Reeve, or Chris Reeve himself</p>
<p>Frank, you stupid idiot.</p>
<p>Christopher Reeve is dead.</p>
<p>You are an unthinking, unfeeling, clump of mush.</p>
<p>JK</p>
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		<title>By: Frank_D</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/03/31/blue-state-progress-vs-red-state-regression/#comment-28488</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank_D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Apr 2006 21:04:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Should be: &lt;i&gt;does not&lt;/i&gt; indicate
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Should be: <i>does not</i> indicate</p>
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		<title>By: Frank_D</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/03/31/blue-state-progress-vs-red-state-regression/#comment-28487</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank_D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Apr 2006 19:04:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The language of the article does indicate that anything has been &quot;proven.&quot; It&#039;s nitpicky, I know, but &quot;proven&quot;is &quot;proven.&quot;

&lt;i&gt;If people are so outraged about using those embryos for research, why aren t they outraged at what happens to them if they are not used for research?&lt;/i&gt;

I can&#039;t speak for anybody else, but &lt;i&gt;I&#039;m&lt;/i&gt; outraged.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The language of the article does indicate that anything has been &#8220;proven.&#8221; It&#8217;s nitpicky, I know, but &#8220;proven&#8221;is &#8220;proven.&#8221;</p>
<p><i>If people are so outraged about using those embryos for research, why aren t they outraged at what happens to them if they are not used for research?</i></p>
<p>I can&#8217;t speak for anybody else, but <i>I&#8217;m</i> outraged.</p>
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		<title>By: duros62</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/03/31/blue-state-progress-vs-red-state-regression/#comment-28486</link>
		<dc:creator>duros62</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Apr 2006 17:04:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Specifically John Edwards promising that Christopher Reeve will walk again when the science has so far proven no such thing.&lt;/i&gt;

I see your bs and &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.stemcellresearchfoundation.org/WhatsNew/March_2006.html#6&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;raise.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.stemcellresearchfoundation.org/WhatsNew/March_2006.html#6&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.stemcellresearchfoundation.org/WhatsNew/March_2006.html#6&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.stemcellresearchfoundation.org/WhatsNew/March_2006.html#6&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Specifically John Edwards promising that Christopher Reeve will walk again when the science has so far proven no such thing.</i></p>
<p>I see your bs and <a href="http://www.stemcellresearchfoundation.org/WhatsNew/March_2006.html#6" rel="nofollow">raise.</p>
<p></a><a href="http://www.stemcellresearchfoundation.org/WhatsNew/March_2006.html#6" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://www.stemcellresearchfoundation.org/WhatsNew/March_2006.html#6" rel="nofollow">http://www.stemcellresearchfoundation.org/WhatsNew/March_2006.html#6</a></p>
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		<title>By: duros62</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/03/31/blue-state-progress-vs-red-state-regression/#comment-28485</link>
		<dc:creator>duros62</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Apr 2006 16:04:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, I did not mean to imply as such that embryonic SCR is the only way to go. However, I don&#039;t think it should be stopped either. the fact is if these fertilized embryos are simply going to be discarded anyway, what is the outrage about? Do fertility clinics just have a big clearance sale at the end of the year? Buy two embyros, get one free? If people are so outraged about using those embryos for research, why aren&#039;t they outraged at what happens to them if they are not used for research?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, I did not mean to imply as such that embryonic SCR is the only way to go. However, I don&#8217;t think it should be stopped either. the fact is if these fertilized embryos are simply going to be discarded anyway, what is the outrage about? Do fertility clinics just have a big clearance sale at the end of the year? Buy two embyros, get one free? If people are so outraged about using those embryos for research, why aren&#8217;t they outraged at what happens to them if they are not used for research?</p>
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		<title>By: Frank_D</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/03/31/blue-state-progress-vs-red-state-regression/#comment-28484</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank_D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Apr 2006 13:04:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is most important is that there are forms of stem cell research besides embryonic research. Those other forms are not inferior to embryonic SCR. Those other forms are just as likely to uncover treatment for the ailments you mentioned.

So the truth, people like Chris Reeve, or Chris Reeve himself, are not going to walk simply if embryonic SCR continues.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is most important is that there are forms of stem cell research besides embryonic research. Those other forms are not inferior to embryonic SCR. Those other forms are just as likely to uncover treatment for the ailments you mentioned.</p>
<p>So the truth, people like Chris Reeve, or Chris Reeve himself, are not going to walk simply if embryonic SCR continues.</p>
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		<title>By: Oliver Willis</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/03/31/blue-state-progress-vs-red-state-regression/#comment-28483</link>
		<dc:creator>Oliver Willis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Mar 2006 21:03:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heard this song before.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://mediamatters.org/items/200410130006&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Conservatives echoed Drudge&#039;s doctored quotation of Edwards on stem cell research&lt;/a&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heard this song before.</p>
<p><a href="http://mediamatters.org/items/200410130006" rel="nofollow">Conservatives echoed Drudge&#8217;s doctored quotation of Edwards on stem cell research</a></p>
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		<title>By: duros62</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/03/31/blue-state-progress-vs-red-state-regression/#comment-28482</link>
		<dc:creator>duros62</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Mar 2006 21:03:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course, if there&#039;s money to be made, that will change the tempo a bit, won&#039;t it?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course, if there&#8217;s money to be made, that will change the tempo a bit, won&#8217;t it?</p>
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		<title>By: factcheck</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/03/31/blue-state-progress-vs-red-state-regression/#comment-28481</link>
		<dc:creator>factcheck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Mar 2006 21:03:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m just going off of the CNN link you gave me, where he never promised that the dead Christopher Reeve would walk.

In your irrelevant debate quote, he wanted Christopher Reeve to walk again.  Didn&#039;t you?  I don&#039;t see a promise there.

Have the shame to walk away from this thread, please, you&#039;re humiliating yourself (again).
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m just going off of the CNN link you gave me, where he never promised that the dead Christopher Reeve would walk.</p>
<p>In your irrelevant debate quote, he wanted Christopher Reeve to walk again.  Didn&#8217;t you?  I don&#8217;t see a promise there.</p>
<p>Have the shame to walk away from this thread, please, you&#8217;re humiliating yourself (again).</p>
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		<title>By: factcheck</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/03/31/blue-state-progress-vs-red-state-regression/#comment-28480</link>
		<dc:creator>factcheck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Mar 2006 20:03:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I call bs Ferris, when did John Edwards promise that Christopher Reeve will walk again?  I need documentation- preferably not CNSnews or other wingnutty sites.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I call bs Ferris, when did John Edwards promise that Christopher Reeve will walk again?  I need documentation- preferably not CNSnews or other wingnutty sites.</p>
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		<title>By: duros62</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/03/31/blue-state-progress-vs-red-state-regression/#comment-28479</link>
		<dc:creator>duros62</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Mar 2006 20:03:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;people like Christopher Reeve will get up out of that wheelchair and walk again  &lt;/i&gt;
&lt;b&gt;..like...&lt;/b&gt;
Are you saying that the potential for spinal cord injuries to be reversed is not true?
Besides, John Edwards is a politician, what the hell does he know? (and that goes for both parties).
Researchers know the potential of the research. It is there. It should be found.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>people like Christopher Reeve will get up out of that wheelchair and walk again  </i><br />
<b>..like&#8230;</b><br />
Are you saying that the potential for spinal cord injuries to be reversed is not true?<br />
Besides, John Edwards is a politician, what the hell does he know? (and that goes for both parties).<br />
Researchers know the potential of the research. It is there. It should be found.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank_D</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/03/31/blue-state-progress-vs-red-state-regression/#comment-28478</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank_D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Mar 2006 20:03:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nobody is accusing you of anything, Duros... I said you (and, of course, want to make use of &quot;thrown away&quot; human beings -- for that is what they will become) is actually on a slippery slope. The Netherlands went from abortion on demand to permitting assisted suicide and euthanasia. It&#039;s not impossible.

And I don&#039;t see stem cell research as &lt;i&gt;the&lt;/i&gt; way &quot;to wipe out Parkinson s, Alzheimers and spinal cord injuries.&quot; There&#039;s other kinds of stem cell research going besides cast off embryos. There is no guarantee that stem cell research will cure anything, and no guarantee that the other kinds of stem cell researc won&#039;t cure such things.

Finally, if I had to choose between Bethoven and the cure for cancer -- even &lt;i&gt;every&lt;/i&gt; kind of cancer -- I&#039;d still go for Beethoven.

To paraphrase the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.freaknet.org.uk/pages01/p01/wm01.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Furry Freak Brothers&lt;/a&gt;: Beethoven will get you through times of cancer, better than no cancer will get you through times of no Beethoven.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nobody is accusing you of anything, Duros&#8230; I said you (and, of course, want to make use of &#8220;thrown away&#8221; human beings &#8212; for that is what they will become) is actually on a slippery slope. The Netherlands went from abortion on demand to permitting assisted suicide and euthanasia. It&#8217;s not impossible.</p>
<p>And I don&#8217;t see stem cell research as <i>the</i> way &#8220;to wipe out Parkinson s, Alzheimers and spinal cord injuries.&#8221; There&#8217;s other kinds of stem cell research going besides cast off embryos. There is no guarantee that stem cell research will cure anything, and no guarantee that the other kinds of stem cell researc won&#8217;t cure such things.</p>
<p>Finally, if I had to choose between Bethoven and the cure for cancer &#8212; even <i>every</i> kind of cancer &#8212; I&#8217;d still go for Beethoven.</p>
<p>To paraphrase the <a href="http://www.freaknet.org.uk/pages01/p01/wm01.html" rel="nofollow">Furry Freak Brothers</a>: Beethoven will get you through times of cancer, better than no cancer will get you through times of no Beethoven.</p>
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		<title>By: SaveFarris</title>
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		<dc:creator>SaveFarris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Mar 2006 20:03:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And the reeling continues.

From the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.debates.org/pages/trans2004c.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;2nd Debate&lt;/a&gt;:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Kerry: Chris Reeve is a friend of mine. Chris Reeve exercises every single day to keep those muscles alive for the day when he believes he can walk again, &lt;b&gt;and I want him to walk again.  I think we can save lives&lt;/b&gt;.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Not people &quot;like&quot; Reeve.  Reeve himself.

And at the time Kerry made this statement, Christopher Reeve was still very much alive.

If you&#039;re parsing that finely, then you should be all over the &quot;Bush Lied&quot; people who are basing their position on the 14 words.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And the reeling continues.</p>
<p>From the <a href="http://www.debates.org/pages/trans2004c.html" rel="nofollow">2nd Debate</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>Kerry: Chris Reeve is a friend of mine. Chris Reeve exercises every single day to keep those muscles alive for the day when he believes he can walk again, <b>and I want him to walk again.  I think we can save lives</b>.</p></blockquote>
<p>Not people &#8220;like&#8221; Reeve.  Reeve himself.</p>
<p>And at the time Kerry made this statement, Christopher Reeve was still very much alive.</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re parsing that finely, then you should be all over the &#8220;Bush Lied&#8221; people who are basing their position on the 14 words.</p>
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		<title>By: SaveFarris</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/03/31/blue-state-progress-vs-red-state-regression/#comment-28476</link>
		<dc:creator>SaveFarris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Mar 2006 20:03:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s try &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/10/12/edwards.stem.cell/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;CNN&lt;/a&gt;:

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;If we do the work that we can do in this country, the work that we will do when John Kerry is president, people like Christopher Reeve will get up out of that wheelchair and walk again&quot; &lt;/blockquote&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s try <a href="http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/10/12/edwards.stem.cell/" rel="nofollow">CNN</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;If we do the work that we can do in this country, the work that we will do when John Kerry is president, people like Christopher Reeve will get up out of that wheelchair and walk again&#8221; </p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: SaveFarris</title>
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		<dc:creator>SaveFarris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Mar 2006 20:03:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;One cannot reverse engineer a person s potetial.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

But supporters of stem-cell research funding are definitly reverse engineering the research potential.  Specifically John Edwards promising that Christopher Reeve will walk again when the science has so far proven no such thing.

If you want opponents to stop hauling out the &quot;you killed Beethoven&quot; line, you should be willing to drop the &quot;you&#039;re against curing Parkinson&#039;s&quot; line.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>One cannot reverse engineer a person s potetial.</p></blockquote>
<p>But supporters of stem-cell research funding are definitly reverse engineering the research potential.  Specifically John Edwards promising that Christopher Reeve will walk again when the science has so far proven no such thing.</p>
<p>If you want opponents to stop hauling out the &#8220;you killed Beethoven&#8221; line, you should be willing to drop the &#8220;you&#8217;re against curing Parkinson&#8217;s&#8221; line.</p>
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		<title>By: duros62</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/03/31/blue-state-progress-vs-red-state-regression/#comment-28474</link>
		<dc:creator>duros62</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Mar 2006 20:03:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t see a problem with euthenasia or assisted suicide either, if the alternative is pain and suffering.
I am not suggesting that stem cells are the Answer to Life, the Universe, and Everything. There are no guarantees in Life. I am saying the research should go on, should get federal funding, etc. and if some people are squemish about it, sorry you feel that way.
...&lt;i&gt;you (and, of course, want to make use of  thrown away  human beings   for that is what they will become)&lt;/i&gt;
But it isn&#039;t the same thing, is it?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t see a problem with euthenasia or assisted suicide either, if the alternative is pain and suffering.<br />
I am not suggesting that stem cells are the Answer to Life, the Universe, and Everything. There are no guarantees in Life. I am saying the research should go on, should get federal funding, etc. and if some people are squemish about it, sorry you feel that way.<br />
&#8230;<i>you (and, of course, want to make use of  thrown away  human beings   for that is what they will become)</i><br />
But it isn&#8217;t the same thing, is it?</p>
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		<title>By: duros62</title>
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		<dc:creator>duros62</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Mar 2006 20:03:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John Edwards the psychic? Crossing Over? hardly reputable.
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		<title>By: duros62</title>
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		<dc:creator>duros62</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Mar 2006 18:03:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh for God&#039;s sake, Frank, that&#039;s not what I&#039;m saying and you know it. That is repugnant, even for you.
As I&#039;m sure we can all agree, there are thousands of differences between you and I, and something that you picked out of your nose. With advances in cloning not-so-science-fictiony any more, does that give the stuff you picked out of your nose the pontential to become a human being?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh for God&#8217;s sake, Frank, that&#8217;s not what I&#8217;m saying and you know it. That is repugnant, even for you.<br />
As I&#8217;m sure we can all agree, there are thousands of differences between you and I, and something that you picked out of your nose. With advances in cloning not-so-science-fictiony any more, does that give the stuff you picked out of your nose the pontential to become a human being?</p>
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		<title>By: duros62</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/03/31/blue-state-progress-vs-red-state-regression/#comment-28471</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Mar 2006 18:03:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And I don&#039;t buy the whole &quot;you just killed Beethoven&quot; bullshit either. One cannot reverse engineer a person&#039;s potetial.
Contrariwise, if, by killing Beethoven, you could wipe cancer from the face of the Earth forever, would you do it?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And I don&#8217;t buy the whole &#8220;you just killed Beethoven&#8221; bullshit either. One cannot reverse engineer a person&#8217;s potetial.<br />
Contrariwise, if, by killing Beethoven, you could wipe cancer from the face of the Earth forever, would you do it?</p>
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