Why are you even arguing here if you have not said anything about the subject of the post, which, from what I could tell was about “V”? I thought you were trying to make some sort of a point relating to said subject by claiming no conservative viewpoints are put in movies. Apparently you were not trying to make any such point. My point was it’s a good movie and you might even like it. But, then again, you might think the movie is trying to show that terrorists are human beings and there is nothing more disgraceful to a hawk.

You never answered my question about what exactly the phrase “conservative values” means. Apparently it’s the opposite of a professor raping a student. Gee. How accusatory.

Let me guess, you don’t care for the musical “Rent”.

I’m not sure. I wasn’t thinking so much in terms of bias as in terms of airing whatever will make a buck. I’ve only seen a couple of episodes of Family Guy this season. In one, Chris announces he has joined the Peace Corps and is being sent to a small villiage in South America. Stewie asks if they still perform “clitor-ectomies.” In another, someone is recalling the Waltons. After the familiar goodnights to everybody, the family realizes John-Boy hasn’t said anything. You hear footsteps, then a door-opening and then, “Geez can’t a guy masterbate anymore?”

This isn’t what I would expect from a conservative network, especially on Sunday. But, if it sells…

With regard to bias, another Fox show I thought of (and like) is King of the Hill. The pilot episode reran the other day. In it, Bobby is hit in the head during a baseball game, and somehow the child welfare office becomes involved. The caseworker is presented as a classic (liberal?) weenie bureaucrat who won’t listen to the reasonalbe explanation of what happened. Yesterday’s rerun was about a weenie archeology professor who takes over Hank’s yard after Hank finds an Indian artifact (John Red Corn tells him it was for straightening arrow shafts; Hank’s convinced it was for stabbing Whites in the base of the skull). And I guess Dale Dribble is poking fun at the stereotypical (conservative?) anti-government, paranoid, conspiracy theorist.

The faculty circles the wagons around him, his adoring students file petitions, demonstrate, march, start burning buildings, they even attempt to torch the town.

It becomes a national media circus, with most of the media siding with the professor.

It would make a great musical comedy…”

No, it wouldn’t. I’ll try to be a little more serious than in my last post. I know this is your concept of what a liberal’s ultimate wet-dream movie would be (and I hope you’re exaggerating some), but it’s not mine. If it is anybody’s then shame on them.

What if I said we’ll make the ultimate conservative movie. It’ll be about a professor at Bob Jones University who murders a coed after he catches her in an interracial relationship. The faculty circles the wagons around him, his adoring students file petitions, demonstrate, march, start burning buildings, they even attempt to torch the town, etc.

Not very funny and not an accurate portrayal, I’m sure, of what conservatives want in their movies. I appreciate your frustration. Conservatives often get portrayed in stereotypically negative manners. So do others. I’m a southerner and am frustrated that a lot of people’s idea of the southern male is Jethro Bodine or Gomer Pyle. Speaking of sitcoms from the ’60′s, notice how often “hippies” and “flower children” were used for comedic effect.

As others have noted, a lot of this comes down to what sells coupled with intellectual laziness. This holds for the left and the right. For all its reputation as a conservative bastion, Fox has aired some of the raunchiest (and I’ll admit, funniest) shows on broadcast television (e.g. Married with Children, Family Guy).

Yes on all counts, but lately my tastes have been leaning toward Bombay.

Who doesn’t like having it out with sweaty big hearted French sluts? Sorry, I’ll go now.

A tenured college professor is caught on videotape raping and murdering a little girl. But they still can’t fire him!

The faculty circles the wagons around him, his adoring students file petitions, demonstrate, march, start burning buildings, they even attempt to torch the town.

It becomes a national media circus, with most of the media siding with the professor.

It would make a great musical comedy:

Dancing in the Goves of Academe

18 people would go to see it, and it would win an Oscar. George Clooney would present, saying: “Hollywood goes ouside the mainstream.”

An Idaho militia group suddenly appears, and fires flamethrowers at the first 5 rows (apologies to Firesign Theater).

Oh.
Like one of them there Swedish movies where Death and the Devil play chess for the soul of Jutta Bergenborg, who is trapped in a dysfunctional marriage with a preacher who has lost his faith?? Yumpin yimminy I ban hoping for a stalemate (subtitled).

Or do you like the sweaty French movies where Jean Jacques is always having it out with some slatternly, but good-hearted slut in the open-windowed upstairs room of a Paris apartment?

Dugger, I could be a moviemaker (every villain for the first ten movies would be a left wing college professor, then a business man to head off bias complaints)

The battle of Ia Drang (We Were Soldiers) really happened. The conversation between the two Vietnamese guys did not. Are you telling me you have no idea why it was put in there? Puhleeeeze.

And I didn’t say anything about Vendetta — at all. And I didn’t say anything about Osama bin Laden — at all.

http://imdb.com/title/tt0099731/?fr=c2l0ZT1kZnx0dD0xfGZiPXV8cG49MHxrdz0xfHE9aGFuZG1haWQncyB0YWxlfGZ0PTF8bXg9MjB8bG09NTAwfGNvPTF8aHRtbD0xfG5tPTE_;fc=1;ft=22

That’s know as exposition, isn’t it?

Well, yes, you have an excellent point if we include  tasteful and tasteless conservatives in the mix and only  tasteful liberals.

Codswallop.

The discussion–waay back up there–was about what makes a movie a “conservative” movie. For any narrative work to qualify as a “conservative” work, it has to please the partisans and hew to the orthodoxy. Thus, my answer to frame’s question about what mythical “conservatives” would want.

It is *you* who has attempted to make all not-Conservative movies into “liberal” movies. Truth is, hardcore lefties like me don’t like the output of corporate media. Hollywood tends to produce bland, predictable, lowest-common-denominator fare starring Ben Stiller or Cameron Diaz or some other half-talent who can deliver reliable ticket sales. If these movies feature evil business types or crooked politicians, it’s more from lack of imagination than ideology.

As for me, any movie I pay money to see is likely to require me to read subtitles.

You are the reason liberals think conservatives want some crap movie version of 7th Heaven. Define “conservative value” and how you could see them in a movie for us and maybe then we can have a discussion. Furthermore, what about two Vietnamese communists regretting American victory because now they’ll never leave is liberal? Is trying to show something from a different point of view liberal? To me, that’s good art.

And by the way, that’s not what I think “conservative values” are. I honestly have no idea what you’re talking about when you say “conservative values”. It looks like you want people to die and shit to blow up. Sounds about right for today’s “conservative values”.

Oh, in “V for Vendetta” people die and shit blows up. Think of it like this, it’s like the Diary of Anne Frank, but Anne Frank kills Hitler and blows up Neuschwanstein while dying for the cause. How is that anything like Osama killing innocent civilians?

“I do, if we re talking about liberals with any taste in literature or film.”

Well, yes, you have an excellent point if we include ‘tasteful and tasteless’ conservatives in the mix and only ‘tasteful’ liberals. Books=cooked.

Dugger

but do you deny many liberals prefer equally stereotyped, one-dimensional portrayals of their ideal goods and bads, especially business men, soldiers and evangelical Christians, etc.

I do, if we’re talking about liberals with any taste in literature or film.

Remember the WaPo quote on those under educated easily led anti abortion demonstraters?

I don’t. Seems irrelevant to the discussion at hand anyway.

This is what liberals think conservatives believe, and want in their entertainment. Is it any wonder that Hollywood’s liberals piss us off?

What baloney!

Let me tell how this conservative goes to the movies:

I buy a Delaware – sized buttered popcorn — extra butter (screw the cholesterol!), and a Rhode Island – sized Cherry Coke — extra ice.

I sit in the second row — so no one’s in front of me, and I feel like I’m inside the movie.

What’s my favorite kind of movie? It’s rated PGKASBU

People Get Killed And Shit Blows Up

And, when I go to see We Were Soldiers, I don’t want to see a plot contrivance where two Vietnamese communists regret the American victory, “because now they’ll never leave.”

How about this one?