I’m confident there will be more than a couple of federal judges with some pretty harsh words for Mr. Bush in the not-too-distant future.

One of the more unglamorous concsession speeches, but I accept.

And no I can’t prove Clinton lied but a Federal judge officially concluded some pretty bad things about him.

Dugger

No, actually it wasn’t. But fuck it. You can only polish a turd so much.

You cannot prove intent, Dugger. You cannot hope to know what another person is thinking when they say what they say. (Well, I know you can because of your super powers.)
I can’t prove intent either. There, I admit it. That doesn’t make anything I posted above this line any more or less true.
Happy?
George Bush is still a liar and a crook and makes me miss Richard Nixon for his superior ethical behavior.
What am I thinking right now? I’ll give you a hint. It rhymes with “bass fat”

I guess it all comes down to what is in the mind of the person who speaks the untrue statement; if he doesn’t believe it isn’t true, then it must be, right? Thus, Clinton never lied about his indiscretion. Do we agree on that?

Why don’t you tell me what I’m thinking right now?

Well first off how do you know Bush’s memory is not faulty? He’s is a public figure and speaks very frequently in public. Isn’t it quite possible his memory is faulty. You have no way of knowing do you?

Or secondly, look at YOUR definiton and the word “deliberately”. How do YOU know he is dliberately misleading – if he is misleading at all. How do you know that ‘to mislead’ is his intent? Do you have unique mindreading capabilities? Its YOUR definiton.

What you have is a throw-away political statement he made that is not backed up by the public record. That does not equal lie – at all.

See, the problem is not being able to point out contradictory or incorrect statements. They are there with all politicians. Its the left’s and your tendency to describe those contradictory or even incorrect statements from Bush as (hatefully) “lies”.

Dugger, Still No Lies and that was his best case

Dugger (chuckle)

FACTS: Bush never made such a statement in Chicago nor anywhere else during the 2000 campaign. In fact, these three caveats on deficits were stated on several occasions by Vice President Gore. Bush s attempt to pin the deficit on the war also is a misstatement, since the cost of the Bush tax cuts is three times the cost of the response to 9-11 and the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.

Source: New Republic 07.01.02

Not opinion, Duugger. Fact

You are wriggling like gigged eel. Surely you can up with and rationally discuss one lie. Just one. You are letting progressives across the nation down. The whole movement is about to crumble. The fascist dark ages are nearly upon us. Alas alack!

Dugger (WMDs? Imminent threat? Yellow cake? AWOL?)

1. A false statement deliberately presented as being true; a falsehood.
2. Something meant to deceive or give a wrong impression.

WMDs? Imminent threat? Yellow cake?
All falsehoods deliberately presented as being true.

Shorter dugger: I reject your reality and substitute my own.

Like I said, using your logic, Bill Clinton never lied about having oral sex with an intern because he never “intended” to lie about it.

You can lead a neocon to the truth, but you can’t make him see it.

No lie anyplace. Just stuff you don’t like. Pick one you want to stake your argument on and we’ll go into it. You’ll lose because you can’t read minds (maybe thats why you avoind a serious intelelctual discussion). Otherwise you are proving my point by just recycling ‘talking points’. Are you able to read and think for yourself? Pick one. Otherwise I’m not impressed by cut and paste.

Dugger, No lie has been documented. Any place.

FACT: In 2003, Bush killed an emergency funding request that included $275 million for Veterans medical care, while his 2004 budget requests falls $1.9 billion short of maintaining what the American Legion called  an inadequate status quo. Bush s FY2005 budget cuts funding by $13.5 billion over 5 years. (The Daily Mis-Lead 10.21.03, The Center for American Progress 02.04.03)

were you paying attention? (I got your “ponder”. )

Which one of those cut and pastes were you able to read minds on? Give me what you think is alie, a real lie. One lie and we’ll discuss it.

Or if I just dispose of one of your cheap cut and pastes, that should do it.

“LIE: The Bush administration religiously chanted the contention that Iraq possessed weapons of mass destruction as its basis for a war. ”

No lie. Posisibly a mistake but we do not know if Saddam was able to move weapons. Besides intelligence reports indicated WMDs. Previous Admin said there were WMDs or programs. The fact that we did not find WMD stashs does not mean it was a lie.

Are there any adults out there with a lie (one with just a little serious thought behind it)? Nows your chance.

Dugger

FACT: The General Accounting Office found no evidence of vandalism, wires slashed, equipment damaged or other evidence to match the allegations. (Boston Globe 05.28.01)

FACT: Bush s FY2005 budget under-funds the No Child Left Behind ( NCLB ) program by $9.4 billion  or 27 percent less than authorized by Congress. Bush has under funded the NCLB program by $15 billion over his first three years. Most of the under funding is in the area of Title I of the Act which provided funds to schools with low income or disadvantaged students. (The Daily Distortion 10.24.03, New Democratic Network 12.02.03, Center for American Progress 02.03.04)

FACT: The Bush administration has eliminated 84,000 students from the Pell Grants program and reduced grants to another 1.5 million students. Its FY2005 budget freezes Pell Grant awards. (Center for American Progress 02.03.04)