Comments on: 2008 OW.com Straw Poll

By: factcheck

factcheck — Wed, 15 Mar 2006 21:03:12 +0000

I agree moonbat- the Democrat wins.

Bible Thumpers voting for someone who slept with his girlfriend under the same roof as his wife and kid?

Bible Thumpers voting for a man who lived with a gay man (where he spent the night of 9/10/01)(not that there’s anything wrong with that)?

Bible Thumpers voting for someone who married their 1st cousin? Well, that may help him down south, actually.

Bible Thumpers voting for a Noo Yorker who is CATHOLIC!

By: qkslvr_wolf

qkslvr_wolf — Wed, 15 Mar 2006 04:03:06 +0000

Again, have you guys taken 20 minutes and read and watched some recent wes clark? If you have, I’ll stop bugging you.

By: moonbat monitor

moonbat monitor — Wed, 15 Mar 2006 03:03:45 +0000

if guiliani runs, it won’t matter who the dems nominate.

By: duros62

duros62 — Tue, 14 Mar 2006 22:03:05 +0000

Jesus Christ would have to come down from Heaven driving a 1958 Corvette and annouce his candidacy in the Green Party for a third party to get anywhere over 15% of the vote.

By: Semanticleo

Semanticleo — Tue, 14 Mar 2006 20:03:51 +0000

“Now he doesn t have enough experience’

How much experience did Truman have?

As many are prone to scuttle Senatorial bids for WH, I should think
a lack of experience would be a plus. He’s a quick study who will
establish alliances quickly, and he strikes me as less ego-driven so
his delegation and appointments will need seasoned advisors.

He can do it.

By: qkslvr_wolf

qkslvr_wolf — Tue, 14 Mar 2006 20:03:34 +0000

We’re only a two party nation as long as people won’t even acknowledge the possibility of change. That is one of the foundations of the country…that we be able to change when we needed to. Now, we need to. You’re right, but only as long as people continue to vote (and advocate for voting) only for the current election. You have to vote in what you believe in, long term.

By: Oliver Willis

Oliver Willis — Tue, 14 Mar 2006 20:03:28 +0000

At the very least, we need a none of the above option (would ve solved 2000 *and* 2004, and we probably need proportional representation.
And I want a pony too. We’re a two party nation. The way to repair is through one of the 2 parties. It’s very possible. The Dem party now is very different from the Dem party when I was born (for better and for worse).

Also bullshit on the dean can t work crowds .
Dean had a simple very good message that cut through the clutter. That’s what got me on his side, but if all the Dems had adopted that message, Gov. Dean would have never broke through.

rather than a horde of people who actually believe in the message of the candidate they re behind
I’m not disagreeing with you, and what I write about Obama is more of a lamentation than strategizing.

By: duros62

duros62 — Tue, 14 Mar 2006 16:03:53 +0000

The only thing dean *couldn t* do was win the MSM& we was winning until about 4 days before iowa, when all of a sudden all of the media just started screaming about how he wasn t electable . Bullshit. He got people excited.

You’re absolutely right. He was doing fine until that whole “heyaa” thing. and it was MSM’ fault. Hell, I was excited too, for the first time since Watergate. It’s a shame that that sort of youthful exuberance and “tell it like it is” attitude makes someone unelectable. then again, remember Sargent Shriver.

I think we should do the next election like American Idle. Call in and vote! Must be 18! First vote is free. Vote as often as you like, but the next one will cost you $2,457.32, your share of the national Deficit under the Republican Administration!

By: qkslvr_wolf

qkslvr_wolf — Tue, 14 Mar 2006 16:03:11 +0000

Thats actually 22,000.

By: duros62

duros62 — Tue, 14 Mar 2006 16:03:05 +0000

At the very least, people would watch….

By: Semanticleo

Semanticleo — Tue, 14 Mar 2006 14:03:17 +0000

“By the time obama is ready, he s going to be just another senator who can t make it because he had to vote and play politics. Senators make good vps, they make horrible presidents.”

That is the very reason he should take a shot now.

By: qkslvr_wolf

qkslvr_wolf — Tue, 14 Mar 2006 14:03:13 +0000

Now he doesn’t have enough experience. Senators never make good presidents. You need a different skill set. I’m looking for a clark/obama ticket.

By: qkslvr_wolf

qkslvr_wolf — Tue, 14 Mar 2006 13:03:33 +0000

Bullshit, oliver. Its a “two party nation” because people like you only think in terms of the next couple of years.

But it was also a two party nation when we started, but we don’t have the same two parties we did then.

Two party politics is also ridiculous given our abilities to communicate, nowadays.

The reason for the two party system is, originally, most of the country would be lucky to *read* a speech by a candidate, let alone hear one. So they had to have an organization they could vote for in lieu of voting for a candidate.

Now that everyone is able to not only hear what the candidate says, but basically review their life, its time to move on to a more modern political framework. At the very least, we need a “none of the above option” (would’ve solved 2000 *and* 2004, and we probably need proportional representation.

By the time obama is ready, he’s going to be just another senator who can’t make it because he had to vote and play politics. Senators make good vps, they make horrible presidents.

Furthermore, all your scheming about “america is ready” and “strategic voting” is what got us four more years of bush, oliver. drop that shit.

Also bullshit on the “dean can’t work crowds”. The only thing dean *couldn’t* do was win the MSM…we was winning until about 4 days before iowa, when all of a sudden all of the media just started screaming about how he wasn’t “electable”. Bullshit. He got people excited. He got my parents excited about politics for the first time in my memory. He was someone people believed in.

What we get instead was the “electable” candidate who wasn’t, with the small cadre of professional politicos that are still playing a 20 year old game, rather than a horde of people who actually believe in the message of the candidate they’re behind. Thats what the democrats have forgotten. One true believer is worth 10 swing voters, and again and again you throw them all away because they might believe to much.

Finally, if you haven’t paid clark any attention since earrly in his campaign, then clearly, you don’t know what they hell you’re talking about. Take 10 minutes out of your day and go take a goddamn look. If you still don’t get it, fine, but at least your opinion will be honest.

Jesus, oliver, I feel like I”m talking to a neocon right about now.

By: ArC

ArC — Tue, 14 Mar 2006 10:03:10 +0000

Gore! Gore Gore Gore!

I am 100% not kidding.

By: Oliver Willis

Oliver Willis — Tue, 14 Mar 2006 01:03:00 +0000

I watched Clark on C-Span when he was campaigning, and while I don’t doubt he has improved, he wasn’t very good. I think the power to work a crowd is 75% instinct, and practically essential to winning modern elections – its something I see people like Bill Clinton and John Edwards do like its second nature, while folks like Hillary Clinton, Dean, Kerry, Clark struggle with it mightily.

Give up your third party dreams now. America is a two-party nation, and any change to be done (on either side) has to be created within the party.

I like Feingold (though maybe not for president), but to be perfectly blunt I almost feel like America is more ready to vote for a woman than a Jewish man for president. And as to the dream candidate – yeah, we ain’t ready.

By: duros62

duros62 — Mon, 13 Mar 2006 23:03:41 +0000

It doesn’t really matter what we think, though, does it. Fact is the DNC will go all out in supporting Hillary because she’s got name recognition. It’s all about branding, not who is best for the job. Goddamn it.
It’s months away from the Iowa caucases, so why are we even speculating? I just don’t want to see Bush I-Clinton-Clinton-Bush II-Bush II-Clinton II. The DNC have got to stop the Dynasty mentality.

By: White Whale

White Whale — Mon, 13 Mar 2006 22:03:15 +0000

I have to agree that Clark is not so much the anti-hilary, mainly because the Clinton family supported his candidacy, but he scares Republicans much the way people to Edwards and Fiengold. One, they are plainly more intellegent speakers and I would bet have more mental acuity. Its almost as if Republicans shun thinking candidates. I mean you guys picked Bush, who has proved that he is not on top of anything in life. Secondly, Clark and others are not simpering shoe-gazers like Kerry. Take a note from Paul Hackett. Rethugs love to talk tough, but whine like little girls when they are held to thier own words or principals. No need to just be brash like Dean, but you also talk as if half the country supports your party and your work will not be moved aside because the opposition party uses more hyperbole. Lastly, they are willing to work for the future and solve problems immediately. Bill Frist showed recently on George Stephanoplous that he can only resort to scare tatics because Fiengold has called his bluff. Frist doesn’t want to actually do his job, because playing politics is easier than being a leader. JUst notice that he is already fixated on Iran and how if we hold King George accountable for breaking the law, we are emboldening “future” enemies. Wesley Clark scares Republicans more than because his military expertiese. He is a proven leader, which King George can’t even lead his own life. Better searching for some intellectual conservatives or moderates because Republicans don’t have a shot in winning the White House.

By: tully

tully — Mon, 13 Mar 2006 21:03:31 +0000

Feingold gets a lot of play in the other liberal blogs and he is the only politician of either party who has been consistently right on Iraq, the Patriot Act and illegal wiretapping. I appreciate the problems he will have in a general election, but the guy got over 60% of the Wisconsin vote while Kerry, and before him, Gore, carried the state by the votes you could count with your shoes on. Although there will be crossover voting in some states, as long as the Republican nomination is in play there are a lot of Democrats who will not care for Hillary’s determined move to the “center”. That is particularly true when the Republicans have moved so far right that the “center” is now to the right of where Goldwater was in 1964. Clark to me is a better national candidate than a primary candidate and looks to the same base as Hillary in the primaries. I have finally gotten over Feingold’s vote to impeach Clinton and he offers a clearer alternative to Hillary than the others.

By: qkslvr_wolf

qkslvr_wolf — Mon, 13 Mar 2006 20:03:47 +0000

Anyone who thinks that what clark brings to the table is similar to Kerry or is lacking in anything but the military side of the house clearly has only read what dribbles the MSM let out during the last campaign. If you’ve heard him speak, if you’ve read his website, you’re a fan. And it doesn’t really matter which side of the isle you’re on, because Clark just speaks good sense.

He got gipped by the MSM lasts time, Oliver, he didn’t campaign like Kerry.

JWG, you have no idea what you’re talking about.

Clark’s foreign policy is his own, dugger. As is his domestic policy. It isn’t some kind of democratic party line.

Personally, I still think the true progressives should break with the democrats and form a new party. En masse. Onesies won’t do it. Leave the old party hacks like Kerry and Clinton behind. That guy from montana, clark, dean, maybe even kaine and warner (I don’t know much about them, although I wasn’t terribly impressed with Kaine after the state of the union….)

By: Dugger

Dugger — Mon, 13 Mar 2006 19:03:42 +0000

Re the Clark thing. He’s as bad a D candidate as Frist is an R. Clark gets a place at the table, becasiue he is ex military and there is always that insecurity on the left. If your foreign policy is sound, it is just as sound with HRC or John Conyers enunciating it as with Clark. If it stinks, Clark’s pedigree will not make it smell better.

Dugger (How bout Gen Clark and Bob Barr as VP – running as the Clark Barr – I’ll be posting all week.)