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Holy cow, there may be water on one of Saturn’s moons. Let’s go, ASAP! Very exciting.
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Weren’t you the guy who was ragging on bush for wanting to put more money into NASA and space exploration?
I tried the archives, but they only go back a year…
Well, technically, Enceladus, bitches. But still.
Now, is this where the rebel alliance was hiding out?
Also, drpedro, I won’t speak for O-dub, but as for me, I mocked the president’s Mars proposal a year ago because I knew he wasn’t serious about it, that he was saying it only as a diversion, that he would never follow up, and that it was never going to happen.
Kind of like his ragging on Congress to pay for rebuilding after Katrina, huh?
Amazing how much time the trolls spend waiting for new postings here. Christawmighty, OW puts a new item up, and it’s like turning on a kitchen light to watch all you cockroaches scramble…
Get a life, will you?
No matter how much money Bush had earmarked for NASA, let’s please not forget that his people also put a 24-year-old pro-Creation Science apparatchik with exactly ZERO relevant experience in the post as NASA’s information officer. I think that’s a clearer sign of Team Bush’s esteem for NASA.
I slammed Bush because it was “let’s do more space stuff” and nothing of substance to it, he threw it out there because it polled well – there was no new iniative behind it or no substantial funding push. Since I was at least 7 years old I have supported a multi-billion dollar multi-year investment in getting man out into the galaxy.
Now, Jamey; you know that wingnuts and sarcasm don’t mix.
Dr.,sorry, your argument ain’t got no legs on this one.
It was launched on October 15, 1997.
You can’t credit the Bush admin. No way, no how.
Just curious; when was Cassini launched?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cassini_probe
That’s what I thought, before this admin. when science mattered.
Oh, I get it….no, wait, I don’t.
The unsubstantive space program just found water on a moon of saturn…but if we didn’t have that probe out there we would never know that existed…so we wouldn’t know to explore it…..right?
So “lets do more space stuff” is only ok with you if he put a dollar figure behind it? Or it would only be ok with you in the president has a “D” after his name…?
Liberal “logic” is really painful….
Bush’s proposal for the space program was without substance, it shifted around dollars from good existing research instead of proposing a new, fully formed proposal for space exploration. I will support iniatives to explore space no matter who the president is (the shuttle was rolled out under Reagan, for instance). Bush’s speech was in Jan. ’04, an election year pitch to go to outer space with no substance behind it or real proposals to it.
Bush s speech was in Jan. 04,
The same year the Cassini probe, launched during the Clinton years, finally reached Saturn’s neighborhood. Just, you know, FYI.
Vote for ‘drpedro.”
What is likely even more valuable about space exploration than the science is the international cooperation.
Space is so big and getting there so daunting that countries need to work together to get there. With the shuttle down we have been depending on Russian Soyuz flights to get astronauts to the INTERNATIONAL Space Station.
The European Space Agency’s Huygens probe to Titan hitched a ride on NASAs Cassini.
Venus Express while mostly ESA has NASA experiments on board.
During the height of the Cold War (remember that one Trolls) who could have thought that American Astronauts would be flying on Russian spacecraft to a station being built by Russians, Americans and Europeans?
Space exploration is an afront to god.
Oliver,
If you are really interested in space science check out http://www.spaceflightnow.com. It has a whole host of stories about various space missions. And the stories seem to be written by reporters who understand space science.
The problem with Bush’s Mars speech is that it was just a speech. He proposed a hugely expensive new space program without putting any money behind it. As a result the robotic science missions which have been producing amazing results will need to be underfunded in order to put some bodies on Mars.
Don’t get me wrong I am a huge fan of human space flight and thought it was idiotic to cut the funding back in the ’70s. But moving funding from the scientific exploration just so he can try to get a legacy other than “Another idiot president from Texas who got us into a land war in Asia” is just wrong.
“Porco said the discovery could lead to “a redirection of our plans in exploring the solar system to focus on Enceladus as the next body we go to.”
But not in the near term. NASA funding for space science is being cut back to help pay for the Bush administration’s program to send astronauts back to the moon as a prelude for eventual manned flights to Mars.”
http://spaceflightnow.com/cassini/060309enceladus.html
Oh and Oliver, don’t forget MROs orbit insertion is tomorrow and Venus Express gets to Venus in April.
The only problem I can see with Spaceflight now is the lack of a search function. If you can find one let me know.
Oh hell everything is an affront to god. At least to vicious desert gods. That’s why I don’t have any.
There’s an old Dennis Miller rant where he talks about how, sure, sopme things have come out of space travel, like tang, but we got problems here. How about we take that 8 billion dollars, use it on cancer research and see if space travel is a neat by product of that?
That’s where I am on this issue. Sure, I’d like to go to another planet, but at the moment, let’s take care of our own house before we crash someone else’s.
Velcro too
Leroy,
Let’s put NASA $16.2 billion 2005 budget into perspective.
The total US Budget for 2005 was $2.4 Trillion.
NASA received 0.675% of the federal budget in 2005.
The Federal Highway Administration’s 2005 Budget was $33.9 Billion.
The Federal Highway Administration Received 1.412% of the 2005 Federal Budget.
NASA received 48% of the funding the Federal Highway Administration received or in real dollars we spent 17.7 Billion more on highways than on space exploration. The Alaska bridge to nowhere would represent 1.23% of NASA’s budget.
Lets leave the realm of government and go to the world of business, Royal Dutch Shell’s investment budget for 2006 is $19 Billion dollars.
Leroy, there are 6.5 billion people on Earth. Half of them live in poverty not one person goes hungry because we went to the moon or sent a robot to Mars.
The benefits extend beyond Teflon and GPS (GPS kinda requires a space program)
Did you know that one of the impediments to long term space travel (like to Mars) is that being in Space attacks the human immune system. One of the physiological research aims at ISS is to understand more about the human immune system and the ways it is attacked and the ways it can be enhanced. Does that sound like something worth studying?
Learning about the universe whether by studying, stem cells, Amazonian rain patterns or Saturns moons produces value in ways both measurable and unmeasurable.
drpedro Says:
March 9th, 2006 at 4:27 pm
Oh, I get it& .no, wait, I don t.>>
“dr”–
The Saturn news is more interesting than the news about how there’s more rings around Uranus than you thought.
I bet Madonna spearheads a new cult which only drinks Saturn water.
Something tells me that this universe has a boatload of water — pun unfortunate and intended — and life.