Comments on: Can You Get Any Dumber? http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/03/01/can-you-get-any-dumber/ Like Kryptonite To Stupid Mon, 23 Nov 2009 06:43:41 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: appletree » Blog Archive » The New Republic: We Must Stay in Viet& er, Iraq http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/03/01/can-you-get-any-dumber/#comment-25057 appletree » Blog Archive » The New Republic: We Must Stay in Viet& er, Iraq Wed, 15 Mar 2006 05:03:09 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=1477#comment-25057 [...] The New Republic: We Must Stay in Viet& er, Iraq Oliver Willis points out one of the main reasons that nobody seems to read The New [...] [...] The New Republic: We Must Stay in Viet& er, Iraq Oliver Willis points out one of the main reasons that nobody seems to read The New [...]

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]]> By: appletree » Blog Archive » The New Republic: We Must Stay in Viet& er, Iraq http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/03/01/can-you-get-any-dumber/#comment-27172 appletree » Blog Archive » The New Republic: We Must Stay in Viet& er, Iraq Fri, 03 Mar 2006 00:03:25 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=1477#comment-27172 [...] The New Republic: We Must Stay in Viet& er, Iraq Oliver Willis points out one of the main reasons that nobody seems to read The New [...] [...] The New Republic: We Must Stay in Viet& er, Iraq Oliver Willis points out one of the main reasons that nobody seems to read The New [...]

]]> By: appletree » Blog Archive » The New Republic: We Must Stay in Viet& er, Iraq http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/03/01/can-you-get-any-dumber/#comment-56120 appletree » Blog Archive » The New Republic: We Must Stay in Viet& er, Iraq Fri, 03 Mar 2006 00:03:25 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=1477#comment-56120 [...] The New Republic: We Must Stay in Viet& er, Iraq Oliver Willis points out one of the main reasons that nobody seems to read The New [...] [...] The New Republic: We Must Stay in Viet& er, Iraq Oliver Willis points out one of the main reasons that nobody seems to read The New [...]

]]> By: Oliver Willis http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/03/01/can-you-get-any-dumber/#comment-25055 Oliver Willis Thu, 02 Mar 2006 23:03:02 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=1477#comment-25055 Then I guess those 2,500 soldiers up and disappeared then. Talking points, begone! Then I guess those 2,500 soldiers up and disappeared then. Talking points, begone!

]]> By: Semanticleo http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/03/01/can-you-get-any-dumber/#comment-25054 Semanticleo Thu, 02 Mar 2006 22:03:17 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=1477#comment-25054 "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." Hunter S. Thompson “When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro.”

Hunter S. Thompson

]]> By: Quaker in a Basement http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/03/01/can-you-get-any-dumber/#comment-25053 Quaker in a Basement Thu, 02 Mar 2006 21:03:37 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=1477#comment-25053 Marty sez: "It's not a civil war! Not yet anyway! Hooray!" Marty sez: “It’s not a civil war! Not yet anyway! Hooray!”

]]> By: Marty http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/03/01/can-you-get-any-dumber/#comment-25052 Marty Thu, 02 Mar 2006 20:03:34 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=1477#comment-25052 All talking points, all the time. Keep going. It saves you from really reading what anyone you don't agree with says. All talking points, all the time. Keep going. It saves you from really reading what anyone you don’t agree with says.

]]> By: Oliver Willis http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/03/01/can-you-get-any-dumber/#comment-25051 Oliver Willis Thu, 02 Mar 2006 20:03:25 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=1477#comment-25051 Way to respond, Marty. Just pretend Iraq isn't there. It's all going well. Way to respond, Marty. Just pretend Iraq isn’t there. It’s all going well.

]]> By: Marty http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/03/01/can-you-get-any-dumber/#comment-25050 Marty Thu, 02 Mar 2006 19:03:44 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=1477#comment-25050 Nice rhetorical spin as usual Oliver. Keep writing those talking points. Nice rhetorical spin as usual Oliver. Keep writing those talking points.

]]> By: Oliver Willis http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/03/01/can-you-get-any-dumber/#comment-25049 Oliver Willis Thu, 02 Mar 2006 17:03:49 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=1477#comment-25049 Peters and the right continually claim everything is going great in Iraq. It just isnt true. We shouldn't have gone there in the first place, and there isn't much we can do now. Right now the most optimistic scenario says that 2,500 Americans died to install a cleric-led Islamic nation. The "is it a civil war" discussion is moot (I've never said it is). I'm sorry that stating facts and not following blindly the American president who sent 2,500 americans to die in Iraq for no go good reason is now "partisan". I'm sorry my "partisanship" disables me from seeing the upside of dead americans. Peters and the right continually claim everything is going great in Iraq. It just isnt true. We shouldn’t have gone there in the first place, and there isn’t much we can do now. Right now the most optimistic scenario says that 2,500 Americans died to install a cleric-led Islamic nation. The “is it a civil war” discussion is moot (I’ve never said it is). I’m sorry that stating facts and not following blindly the American president who sent 2,500 americans to die in Iraq for no go good reason is now “partisan”. I’m sorry my “partisanship” disables me from seeing the upside of dead americans.

]]> By: JD http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/03/01/can-you-get-any-dumber/#comment-25048 JD Thu, 02 Mar 2006 15:03:10 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=1477#comment-25048 Marty : Well said. The accounts that I have heard from my family members in Iraq are much the same as Mr. Peters. Marty : Well said. The accounts that I have heard from my family members in Iraq are much the same as Mr. Peters.

]]> By: qkslvr_wolf http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/03/01/can-you-get-any-dumber/#comment-25047 qkslvr_wolf Thu, 02 Mar 2006 14:03:00 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=1477#comment-25047 For some sane reasoning on all of this by someone who knows what they're doing, check out <a href="http://securingamerica.com/node/607" rel="nofollow">wes clark</a>. He has a plan. And, unlike your politicians, he's not saying he can salvage everything out of this mess. He calls it a c- plan...saying that the chance for an A passed a long time ago, and if we don't act soon, all we can get is an F. This was written a couple of weeks ago, so it may be too late, but its still worth hthe read. For some sane reasoning on all of this by someone who knows what they’re doing, check out wes clark. He has a plan. And, unlike your politicians, he’s not saying he can salvage everything out of this mess. He calls it a c- plan…saying that the chance for an A passed a long time ago, and if we don’t act soon, all we can get is an F. This was written a couple of weeks ago, so it may be too late, but its still worth hthe read.

]]> By: Marty http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/03/01/can-you-get-any-dumber/#comment-25046 Marty Thu, 02 Mar 2006 13:03:34 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=1477#comment-25046 Damn Oliver- perhaps you can't read. Peters didn't say those things aren't happening. In fact, he explicitly references the violences that is going on for what it is- terrorist, exploitive, retalitory, whatever you want to call it. He said that there is no civil war. But I understand. You want there to be a civil war in Iraq because that helps you politically.You think that pulling out will make everything all hunky-dory? It doesn't benefit you politically to acknowledge the fact that the three factions supposedly having a civil war met and agreed to impose curfews and that Iraqi troops have been doing what they can to quell the violence. Have they succeeded? Obviously not. Not completely. Because there are certain factions who benefit from continuing the violence. And there are plenty of useful idiots like you who will continue to exploit the violence because you think it will help Democrats. Because that is all you really care about. And that is what the Zarkawi and the rest of the terrorists are counting on. Because destroyed buildings, dead children, and "civil war" make a great lead on the evening news in the United States so that people like you can demand that we pull out before the job is finished. Then they could really have free reign. You wouldn't give the Iraqi people the time of day if you couldn't demagogue the situation there. You think pulling out will improve things? You know it won't. But to you- it would be great if we pulled out and there were a real civil war. Because then, you would really be able to celebrate the carnage because that would be good for Democrats. Hell- that would be a great slogan for you. Brand Democrat. Rootin' for the Worst. Damn Oliver- perhaps you can’t read. Peters didn’t say those things aren’t happening. In fact, he explicitly references the violences that is going on for what it is- terrorist, exploitive, retalitory, whatever you want to call it.

He said that there is no civil war. But I understand. You want there to be a civil war in Iraq because that helps you politically.You think that pulling out will make everything all hunky-dory? It doesn’t benefit you politically to acknowledge the fact that the three factions supposedly having a civil war met and agreed to impose curfews and that Iraqi troops have been doing what they can to quell the violence.

Have they succeeded? Obviously not. Not completely. Because there are certain factions who benefit from continuing the violence.

And there are plenty of useful idiots like you who will continue to exploit the violence because you think it will help Democrats. Because that is all you really care about. And that is what the Zarkawi and the rest of the terrorists are counting on. Because destroyed buildings, dead children, and “civil war” make a great lead on the evening news in the United States so that people like you can demand that we pull out before the job is finished. Then they could really have free reign.

You wouldn’t give the Iraqi people the time of day if you couldn’t demagogue the situation there. You think pulling out will improve things? You know it won’t. But to you- it would be great if we pulled out and there were a real civil war. Because then, you would really be able to celebrate the carnage because that would be good for Democrats.

Hell- that would be a great slogan for you.

Brand Democrat. Rootin’ for the Worst.

]]> By: briffy http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/03/01/can-you-get-any-dumber/#comment-25045 briffy Thu, 02 Mar 2006 12:03:47 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=1477#comment-25045 Absolutely we need to change the leadership that got us into this mess. At this point however we've got no choice but to stay and stabilize the country. If we pull out now or anytime soon things will just get worse. we've got our work cut out for us. <a href="http://apnews.excite.com/article/20060302/D8G3C7U06.html" rel="nofollow"><a href="http://apnews.excite.com/article/20060302/D8G3C7U06.html" rel="nofollow">http://apnews.excite.com/article/20060302/D8G3C7U06.html</a></a> Absolutely we need to change the leadership that got us into this mess. At this point however we’ve got no choice but to stay and stabilize the country. If we pull out now or anytime soon things will just get worse. we’ve got our work cut out for us.

http://apnews.excite.com/article/20060302/D8G3C7U06.html

]]> By: Oliver Willis http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/03/01/can-you-get-any-dumber/#comment-25044 Oliver Willis Thu, 02 Mar 2006 05:03:59 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=1477#comment-25044 The casualty numbers don't lie, Marty. The pictures of cars being blown up don't lie, Marty. The images of Shiite children and their families now going into refugee camps because they may be murdered don't lie, Marty. The words of a NY Post "writer" esconced in the green zone and likely under the protection of the US military (who has pulled out of being engaged in the Iraqi-on-Iraqi violence that isn't supposedly going on) is worth less than the electrons its printed on. According to Ralph Peters (and I guess, Marty), this car bomb never happened. Don't believe your eyes. Believe the right wing writer. The casualty numbers don’t lie, Marty. The pictures of cars being blown up don’t lie, Marty. The images of Shiite children and their families now going into refugee camps because they may be murdered don’t lie, Marty. The words of a NY Post “writer” esconced in the green zone and likely under the protection of the US military (who has pulled out of being engaged in the Iraqi-on-Iraqi violence that isn’t supposedly going on) is worth less than the electrons its printed on.

According to Ralph Peters (and I guess, Marty), this car bomb never happened. Don’t believe your eyes. Believe the right wing writer.

]]> By: James E. Powell http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/03/01/can-you-get-any-dumber/#comment-25043 James E. Powell Thu, 02 Mar 2006 05:03:22 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=1477#comment-25043 briffy, so what you're saying is that even though it is clear that it was a stupid thing to do, once we start doing the stupid thing, we have to stay stupid. We who were not stupid, we who did not cheerlead this war, we who did not acquiesce in it out of fear or laziness, we have another idea: Stop being stupid and get rid of the stupid people who got us into this mess. briffy, so what you’re saying is that even though it is clear that it was a stupid thing to do, once we start doing the stupid thing, we have to stay stupid.

We who were not stupid, we who did not cheerlead this war, we who did not acquiesce in it out of fear or laziness, we have another idea: Stop being stupid and get rid of the stupid people who got us into this mess.

]]> By: sooperedd http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/03/01/can-you-get-any-dumber/#comment-25042 sooperedd Thu, 02 Mar 2006 04:03:55 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=1477#comment-25042 Just today I received the new issue of "The American Prospect"(: Just today I received the new issue of “The American Prospect”(:

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