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If you want to know why The New Republic is leaking subscribers (I’m one of those subscribers they lost), look no further than the sort of idiocy they’ve put on their cover this week: “Why America Must Stay In Iraq”, by Iraq war hawk Lawerence Kaplan (in December, Kaplan was discussing the “reasons for hope” in Iraq, in 2003 he was shilling a book along with Bill Kristol to push us into the war)
Supposedly Lawrence Kaplan is a respected political journalist. Why?
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No, there are political journalists of all stripes who can be good journalists I disagree with. But anybody so bloody wrong again and again and again in the face of all logic shouldn’t be respected. To put the proper analogy on it, this is like me writing for months on end that the Redskins can still win the 2006 Superbowl.
Supposedly Lawrence Kaplan is a respected political journalist. Why?
I see. One cannot take the opposite viewpoint of the He Man Bush Haters Club and be a respected political journalist.
this post doesn’t make any sense, i’m sorry oliver. There’s a civil war developing in iraq and you’re saying we shouldn’t stay? To quote HBO’s the Wire, “It don’t matter who did what to whom. Fact is, we went to war an’ now there ain’t no goin’ back… If it’s a lie, then we fight on the lie. But we gotta fight.”
http://www.nypost.com/postopinion/opedcolumnists/64407.htm
..no matter how much you yearn for one.
There’s a good reason why Ralph Peter’s op/eds appear in the NY Post.
That’s right, the bodies in the streets in Iraq are mythical. Iraq is calm and placid, and has always been since our beloved president declared Victory. The columnist writing from the safety of the New York Post said so, so it must be true.
briffy: fight what? who are we fighting? we’ve fought for 3 years and we have 2,500 dead Americans to show for it. And you’re saying: please sir can we have some more?
Uh, SFB? Ralph Peters is the Post’s reporter IN IRAQ. But of course the demagogue from Maryland writing from the safety of his apartment knows better than the reporter driving through Baghdad YESTERDAY.
Just today I received the new issue of “The American Prospect”(:
briffy, so what you’re saying is that even though it is clear that it was a stupid thing to do, once we start doing the stupid thing, we have to stay stupid.
We who were not stupid, we who did not cheerlead this war, we who did not acquiesce in it out of fear or laziness, we have another idea: Stop being stupid and get rid of the stupid people who got us into this mess.
The casualty numbers don’t lie, Marty. The pictures of cars being blown up don’t lie, Marty. The images of Shiite children and their families now going into refugee camps because they may be murdered don’t lie, Marty. The words of a NY Post “writer” esconced in the green zone and likely under the protection of the US military (who has pulled out of being engaged in the Iraqi-on-Iraqi violence that isn’t supposedly going on) is worth less than the electrons its printed on.
According to Ralph Peters (and I guess, Marty), this car bomb never happened. Don’t believe your eyes. Believe the right wing writer.
Absolutely we need to change the leadership that got us into this mess. At this point however we’ve got no choice but to stay and stabilize the country. If we pull out now or anytime soon things will just get worse. we’ve got our work cut out for us.
http://apnews.excite.com/article/20060302/D8G3C7U06.html
Damn Oliver- perhaps you can’t read. Peters didn’t say those things aren’t happening. In fact, he explicitly references the violences that is going on for what it is- terrorist, exploitive, retalitory, whatever you want to call it.
He said that there is no civil war. But I understand. You want there to be a civil war in Iraq because that helps you politically.You think that pulling out will make everything all hunky-dory? It doesn’t benefit you politically to acknowledge the fact that the three factions supposedly having a civil war met and agreed to impose curfews and that Iraqi troops have been doing what they can to quell the violence.
Have they succeeded? Obviously not. Not completely. Because there are certain factions who benefit from continuing the violence.
And there are plenty of useful idiots like you who will continue to exploit the violence because you think it will help Democrats. Because that is all you really care about. And that is what the Zarkawi and the rest of the terrorists are counting on. Because destroyed buildings, dead children, and “civil war” make a great lead on the evening news in the United States so that people like you can demand that we pull out before the job is finished. Then they could really have free reign.
You wouldn’t give the Iraqi people the time of day if you couldn’t demagogue the situation there. You think pulling out will improve things? You know it won’t. But to you- it would be great if we pulled out and there were a real civil war. Because then, you would really be able to celebrate the carnage because that would be good for Democrats.
Hell- that would be a great slogan for you.
Brand Democrat. Rootin’ for the Worst.
For some sane reasoning on all of this by someone who knows what they’re doing, check out wes clark. He has a plan. And, unlike your politicians, he’s not saying he can salvage everything out of this mess. He calls it a c- plan…saying that the chance for an A passed a long time ago, and if we don’t act soon, all we can get is an F. This was written a couple of weeks ago, so it may be too late, but its still worth hthe read.
Marty : Well said. The accounts that I have heard from my family members in Iraq are much the same as Mr. Peters.
Peters and the right continually claim everything is going great in Iraq. It just isnt true. We shouldn’t have gone there in the first place, and there isn’t much we can do now. Right now the most optimistic scenario says that 2,500 Americans died to install a cleric-led Islamic nation. The “is it a civil war” discussion is moot (I’ve never said it is). I’m sorry that stating facts and not following blindly the American president who sent 2,500 americans to die in Iraq for no go good reason is now “partisan”. I’m sorry my “partisanship” disables me from seeing the upside of dead americans.
Nice rhetorical spin as usual Oliver. Keep writing those talking points.
Way to respond, Marty. Just pretend Iraq isn’t there. It’s all going well.
All talking points, all the time. Keep going. It saves you from really reading what anyone you don’t agree with says.
Marty sez: “It’s not a civil war! Not yet anyway! Hooray!”
“When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro.”
Hunter S. Thompson
Then I guess those 2,500 soldiers up and disappeared then. Talking points, begone!
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