Right wing idiots in America renamed french fries as freedom fries because France wouldn’t join our war on Iraq.
Now Iran’s right-wing government has renamed Danish pastries “Roses of the Prophet Muhammad.”
Can’t we ship all these crazy leaders we’ve got to an island by themselves?
See! They are learning democratic principles from the Headmasters
of BushCo, and the nictating membranes who parrot their manifestos,
Oliver, we don’t have any island. All we have is the Central Front”! in the Global War on Terror®
Unfortunately the lunatics have take over the asylm, just like the United States Congress. Because the French would not back Bush and Cheney’s war, they decided to take it out on fried potatoes.
“Freedom Fries” And they call folks on the left nuts.
What a fair comparison. Compare the “right wing” who were pissed at France (and not unjustifiably) for opposing all of our efforts with respect to Iraq with the extremist leaders of Iran who claim the Holocaust never happened and Israel should be wiped off the face of the Earth.
Fair and balanced.
That it? You need the yahoos to go back to the Cheney conspiracy theories.
Dugger
I agree with Duros. I remember seeing a picture during the height of the right’s outrage over France of some child somewhere in America pouring French wine into a sewer in protest. And I wondered why there was never a similar outrage over Saudi products — like oil — since most of the hijakers who attacked us were from Saudi Arabia. The French were never our enemy. Try telling that to the irrational.
Well, let’s see about that.
On one hand we have American absolutists who express their political frustrations by renaming food.
On the other hand, we have Iranian absolutists who express their political frustrations by renaming food.
What’s the problem again?
WTF do they care what we call fried potatoes?
As an Embassy spokesperson said at the time:
”We are at a very serious moment dealing with very serious issues and we are not focusing on the name you give to potatoes.”
While renaming a food as a political response is just plain idiotic now matter who does it, ther eis no comparison between those who did it in the U.S and those in Iran. Unless of course you’re the Chairman of the NAACP and think the Right are all Nazis to begin with.
I don’t think the “Freedom Fries” thing went too far and I don’t think the Danish thing will, either. Who cares?
Jadegold: Pamela Willeford was sworn in as U.S. Ambassador to Switzerland and Liechtenstein on October 27, 2003.
Why would Lynne Cheney hate her?
I don’t know, JadeMold, and I don’t care.
Whatever happened to, “We don’t care about his personal life”, the mantra we heard from 1992 – 2000?
Lynne Cheney hates her, why? And I should care, why? And I’m engaging you in a dialogue, why?
Hmmmm….who is Pamela Willeford?
And why does Lynne Cheney hate her so?
I dunno, Frankie….well, not really.
I do know why.
Do you think Pam was at Rancho Shoot-A-78-Year-Old-Man-In-the-Face?
Did I miss something? Why are we talking about Lynne Chaney?
I think we need to rename oil “Liberty Juice”. That’ll show the bastards!
It’s odd that Oliver didn’t link to this story about British schools banning hot-cross buns:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2003/03/16/nbuns16.xml&sSheet=/news/2003/03/16/ixhome.html
Didn’t fit his “conservatives are always behind repression” narrative, I guess.
Yes, there is. And you just made that comparison.
It was adopted by Republicans in 2000.
Last time I was at Geno’s Steaks in South Philly they called french fries “Freedom Fries”. That was the summer of 2004. Anybody know if that’s changed?
Yes, stick, local town councils in England are exactly the same as the ruling bodies of England and America issuing religious edicts. Yep, everything is equal in conland.
The only thing the names “Freedom Fries” and “Roses of Muhammad” have in common is that they were both very stupid. But if it makes them feel better and calms the inmates in the asylm who really cares. Anyway, look on the “bright side”. Better that they are spending more time making up names for food instead of killing people.
Why is it if someone doesn’t accept the crap explanations put out by the White House, people like Dugger call them Conspiracy Theorists? Can we call Dugger an “Unquestioning Twit” or “KoolAid Kid” for blindly accepting everything Bush & Co. says? Its not like the Bush Administration has a track record of accuracy, openness, honesty or integrity.
Stick, here in the UK, councils come out with nonsense like you’ve mentions, then the local papers report it, then the Nationals. Then a few locals write to complain, usually the people the edict was designed so as not to cause them offence, and the whole thing is dropped, except in the minds of a few nutcases, who hoard each thing as an example of ‘PC gone mad’. They usually read the Express or the Mail.
The above two nationals deplored 24-hour liquor licencing with a passion when it first came out, but have nothing to say since drink-fuelled violence has so far been found to have reduced by about 20% compared to last year.
C’mon, Oliver. The fascist “freedom fries” directive of the US gov consisted of changing the name of fries in the cafeteria of the house of reps. And I bet if you would have asked for french fries they’d have given ‘em to you anyway.
Religious edicts ? WTF ?
Quaker – I think that the fundamental difference is that American citizens did not riot and murder each other over the french fries.
Bryan-
“here in the UK, councils come out with nonsense like you ve mentions, then the local papers report it, then the Nationals. Then a few locals write to complain, usually the people the edict was designed so as not to cause them offence, and the whole thing is dropped, except in the minds of a few nutcases”
So is the “freedom fries” thing is closer to what you describe in the UK or what the Iranians did in renaming pastries? Or is what the Iranians have done closer to what happened in the UK?
This is just silly. Oliver could just have easily compared the mullahs to socialist because they both want to minutely control the econmic lives of the people they rule.
Mitter, Sequence is important. The Admin makes a statement or something happens. Progressives scream LIE! and propose rank conspiracy theories (you can’t deny that). I question then the charges of lie and conspiracy. That doesn’t mean I necessarily believe everything I’m told by the Admin is correct, but if it isn’t, I have to see pretty clear cut evidence to believe lie or conspiracy rather than mistake , poor communication etc. The problem is that the de rigueur response of the left has become ‘lie ‘ or ‘conspiracy’ – rather than mistake or ‘not the best way, heres a better one’.
And if it makes you feel better or superior, you can call me those names. Won’t do anything but make my argument easier to make.
Dugger, Have always questioned the wisdom of Iraq, not the motives of the bi-partisan sponsors
“The problem is that the de rigueur response of the left has become lie or conspiracy – rather than mistake or not the best way, heres a better one.”
You complain that all progressives do is scream LIE, when on the other side there has been an obvious loss of credibilty when it comes to being forthcoming on even simple matters. This adminstration has handed the other side ammunition over and over again with half statements and untruths about anything that presents a PR problem.
Scott McClellan first says Bush “never knew Jack Abromoff personally” and only met him at holiday events. This has now evolved to pictures showing Bush and Abramoff together and Abramoff’s claims that Bush even joked with him about his kids. Then we have Plamegate and Bush first saying that he will fire anyone caught leaking but now says he wont comment on a pending investigation … blah blah, blah. And so on and so on.
BW, They do it a lot but I didn’t sauy all. In fact i see two progressive camps: an older ideological camp thats a little less Bush-hate oriented versus a newer, more dominant, emotional camp that is much more negatively focused.
And being not fully forthcoming is not ideal, maybe not even good, but it hardly warrants assumptions of ‘lie’ and ‘conspircacy’.
And your claims of ‘lie’ are not furthered by using an unrebutted Abramoff as a factual, no-need-to-verify source.
As to your infreence that he lied about firing a leaker, Bush’es original statement and his follow-up both contained the proviso that a law had to be broken. At another point, in a press conference he gave a briefer response that did not provide as much detail but did not contradict his postion. There was no lie in any of that. Research it carefully (other than Media Matters, for sure) and you will see no lie.
Dugger
JD – I never said there were no differences. I’m just taking issue with the usual excuse makers who claim “there’s no comparison.”
Sounds like it’s the same thing as “it depends on what the meaning of is is”. Whew, glad that ’s all straight now.
BW
No. Its not. I’m sure Bubba regrets his “is’ remark but this is just the media trying to find a short cut “gotcha” to discredit Bush.
I will always wonder why the left argue against the war on its merits instead of the imagined motives of its architects.
Dugger
he gave a briefer response that did not provide as much detail but did not contradict his postion.
No, he just kinda softened it when it appeared that it might point to Rove.
Bush es original statement and his follow-up both contained the proviso that a law had to be broken.
Dude, ratting out a CIA operative is illegal, plain & simple. It don’t get much clearer than that.
No one has told me why Robert Novak isn’t in jail, either. Why is that? Nor has anyone commented on his close ties with Rove.