Dugger

You are headed the smae way and I ll be d*mned if common sense or logic will get in the way.

Codswallop.

Once again, you’re equating “asking questions” with “spinning conspiracy theories.”

Actually, this sounds to me like just what you say it is: a bad accident. So why is the Vice President being so cagey about it? No public statements until several days after the fact? And then only to a “friendly” news outlet?

My side did this some time ago with the Vince Foster mess. Certain details could not be explained. Certain pieces were missing. Certain statements are inconsistent. Thre were  delays .

And, of course, you people did the sensible thing and just “got over it,” as I recall.

Great Scot! Today after four separate investigations have determined that Foster killed himself, one needn’t look very far to find conservatives who insist he was murdered. (Yes, I’m looking at you, ian.)

But in this instance, anyone who dares question the glaring inconsistencies offered to us by the media is seeing boogiemen under the bed.

Let’s just all take Dick at his word and go about our business, yes?

Semant, he need not be incapitated. Again what is the standard against which we are measuring Cheney’s behavior?

Dugger,

Does it occur to you that the classic MO of conspircay theoricists is to piece together innocent differences in details and make a giant evil conpircacy out of them.

I’ll leave the conspiracy theories for others to spin.

I just want some simple questions asked. Asking questions isn’t creeping paranoia.

First the sheriff says he sent somebody out the night of the shooting. Then he didn’t. Ms. Armstrong first says “no alcohol, none, zippo” and later says “maybe a couple of beers” and Cheney says yes he drank one. Cheney was on the grounds the whole time but made an appointment to be interviewed the day after the shooting. First it was Ms. Armstrong’s idea to contact the Corpus Christi newspaper, then it was Cheney’s.

Most of all, the first public announcement from Cheney’s office is: OK, we sent the seven bucks for the bird stamp.

All perfectly normal.

And if he (Cheney) is incapacitated by his medical condition;
perhaps he should give the job to someone who isn’t.

BTW;
Can you think of non-damning reasons?

In the infamous interview (The new ‘Checkers’ speech) Cheney
says there wasn’t enough room in the ambulance for him
or he would have gone with Whittington to the hospital.

Instead, Cheney goes to the ranchhouse and has dinner.

wouldn’t any prudent person of modest affection found another
vehicle and followed? I mean, that is, if he was so concerned
about the health and welfare of his friend.

Unless he had another reason for a long wait before going to the
hospital.

Semanticleo makes another heuristic jump in human logic.

Sermant, there could be numerous non-damning reasons reasons for Cheney doing what he did. Better first to have a crime before you determine criminous evidence. Otherwise, how people behave under stress is very and always will be very unpredictable. Second guessing that behavior and attributing malice to illogical or unexpected actions isn’t really kosher. Perhaps you have a handbook on how plus 60 year old heart patient are supposed to behave after accidentally shooting someone at close range with a shotgun.

Dugger

Dugger

I have “speculated” nothing. I have only pointed to questions that have either not been asked or not been answered. I have made no assumptions about what the answer to those questions might be.

If we had a working press corps, we might actually know the answers.

The details of ANY story are usually uncertain. In fact, if all the details fit 100%, I would be more suspicious.

So when the official version of events keeps changing, we should just write it off to “normal variation”?

Or do we have a different plan when the story involves a Democrat?

Where were all you benefit-of-the-doubters back when Drudge was snickering over the mysterious blonde woman leaving John Kerry’s house after dark!!!!!?

I realize you are just engaging in rank speculation for partisan sniping but on this:

“But the details of this story seem a tad uncertain.”

You, I and OW could know exactly what happened and go back honestly relate it and our accounts probably would not match 100%. The details of ANY story are usually uncertain. In fact, if all the details fit 100%, I would be more suspicious.

Dugger

The rest can be found at
http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/15/dick-cheneys-feelings/

CAVUTO: This is a Fox News alert. The lawyer accidentally hit by Vice President Dick Cheney suffering a mild heart attack this morning. Doctors say he s doing just fine and could be released in a week. Meanwhile, the White House press corps again beating a dead horse as it tries to find out why they were not told right away about the Vice President s hunting accident. Not one person bothering to ask, in the meantime, how Dick Cheney s feeling about all this. After all, he s a human being and injuring someone else in an accident can take a huge toll. With us now someone who knows the Vice President pretty well. Ron Christie is a former Cheney advisor and author of Black in the White House. Good to have you back my friend.

Vice President Cheney remains in our thoughts and prayers.

CAVUTO: This is a Fox News alert. The lawyer accidentally hit by Vice President Dick Cheney suffering a mild heart attack this morning. Doctors say he s doing just fine and could be released in a week. Meanwhile, the White House press corps again beating a dead horse as it tries to find out why they were not told right away about the Vice President s hunting accident. Not one person bothering to ask, in the meantime, how Dick Cheney s feeling about all this. After all, he s a human being and injuring someone else in an accident can take a huge toll. …

Vice President Cheney remains in our thoughts and prayers.

CHRISTIE: Hey Neil. Good to see you again buddy.

CAVUTO: You know Dick Cheney pretty well. What s going through his mind?

CHRISTIE: Dick Cheney is a very nice man, a very warm individual. From the opportunity, and as I talk about it in my book Neil, the opportunity to work on his staff you get to work with him very closely and get to see what sort of person he is. He s a very caring person…..It s a very warm, very caring guy. He s doing exactly what I would expect he would be doing.

After blaming the poor republican lawyer who Cheney accidentally shot didn’t sell, they are now trying to sell the story that poor ole VP Cheney who’s really a nice guy, really needs our sympathy cause he screwed up. I really dont give a flip when or how Cheney told the media. The first thing he should have done was to take responsibility for what happened. After all thats what we teach our children to do.

This is why I dont watch Fox. I guess they pretty much have abandoned the “fair and balanced” claim. No wonder. Thank God for Kieth Olbermann and Countdown.

The shooting was just before 6 p.m. Texas is in the Central Time zone. I think you’re probably seeing reports that give the time of the shooting in Eastern. Remember, according to Armstrong, it was still sunny with darkness coming on. This time of year, it’s dark at 7.

When was lunch? You seem to assume it was right at noon. Has anyone asked or answered? If you take Cheney’s account of when they went back into the field and work backwards, lunch could have been much later.

When did Cheney finally talk to local law enforcement? There have been several different reports. Do I have the answers? No and hell no. But the details of this story seem a tad uncertain. Don’t you wonder at all why that is?

Wrong again Flanagan. I’m just going by what we’ve learned from all involved. Everybody has said there was no drinking. You have to assume everybody involved is lying. I don’t make assumptions. If you have evidence to the contrary, provide it. Otherwise, STFU.

The fact is we were initially told no one was drinking. That assertion rapidly became& inoperative.

And nobody was drinking. Having a beer 6 hours prior to going hunting does not constitute drinking while hunting. Again with the bullshit.

As I mentioned earlier, every person stopped for DWI almost always claimed they only had one drink hours before.

Good for you and it means absolutely nothing.

And yet another factor: Cheney has had 4 heart attacks that we know of. This means he is likely on several medications medications that likely don t react well with alcohol.

Oh so you’re a doctor now? Cheney is not a stupid man, and considering his health I am sure he has been given clearance by his doctors to enjoy an occasional beer.

Given the fact that events of the shooting has changed several times

How have they changed?

and the fact that Cheney refused to see a police officer later that evening one can only reasonably surmise that Cheney s account to FauxNews is false.

No you can’t. Partisan drones, yes.

heney and his handlers keep telling us Cheney s victim was 30 yards away at the time he was shot. Yet, we know a pellet from Cheney s shotgun lodged close enough to the victim s heart to trigger a heart attack. Sorry, but using a 28 gauge with 7 1/2 shot will simply not do that kind of damage. Chances are the distance was much closer to 30 feet.

I can only sit here and shake my head at your ignorance. First of all, the pellet migrated to the heart and that is what triggered the heart attack. Second of all, as you normally repeat over and over again, Whittington is a 78 year old man. Throw a rubber ball at a 30 year old man and nothing can happen. Throw a rubber ball at an 80 year old man and you can break bones. Whittington’s body is obviously weaker than due to age and that is why that much damage was done. If the distance were 30 feet as you claim, Whittington would in all likelihood, be dead.