I don’t know Doper, everytime mention of US torture comes up, idiots like yourself keep screaming “What about Hussein” as if his bad conduct excuses ours.

Doctrine: 1 A principle or body of principles presented for acceptance or belief, as by a religious, political, scientific, or philosophic group; dogma.
2 A rule or principle of law, especially when established by precedent.
3 A statement of official government policy, especially in foreign affairs and military strategy.

Torture: 1a. Infliction of severe physical pain as a means of punishment or coercion. b. An instrument or a method for inflicting such pain. 2. Excruciating physical or mental pain; agony: the torture of waiting in suspense. 3. Something causing severe pain or anguish.
TRANSITIVE VERB: Inflected forms: tor·tured, tor·tur·ing, tor·tures
1. To subject (a person or an animal) to torture. 2. To bring great physical or mental pain upon (another).

The object of the first sentence “this” refers to specific actions.

The more general object “we” suggests a line of argument equating a set of actions, or more generally a mindset, and then comparing the two.

I HAVE to stop being so nuanced around leftists….

It IS important that this is not as bad as saddam. Water boarding someone ISN T as bad as chopping off their fingers& .hell, we water board our OWN troops in training.

Peedro, Friday, 3:42 p.m.

I never said  we aren t as bad as hussein & you invented that out of whole cloth.

I note it is not called the “doctrine of torture”, and while the subject matter is decidely unpleasant, it seems reasonable.

Ask someone who was in the military and an aviator about SERE school….you might be suprised.

I never said “we aren’t as bad as hussein”…you invented that out of whole cloth.

You are now using as your “facts”, unreleased photos/videos…in that case, I have an imaginary friend who tells me that all the torturers are democrats that contributed to the Kerry campaign….the facts are just being suppressed…

The difference with hussein is that after all the atrocities, no one was arrested when saddam was in power….You pinko lefties miss that point every single time. The Bush administration has prosecuted people for the things that have been proven…

..except when it is easier not to. Well, 2 out of 3 ain’t bad.
Read this, please.
http://www.slate.com/id/2136422/

You got links for that stuff? Saddam Hussein HIMSELF doing these atrocious things, or people lower down (as in orders come from higher up)?
I don’t think anyone here, left or right, would say that Saddam is a great guy and he should come over for Thanksgiving, but Iraq under his authority is not the only place this shit goes on.

Responsibility for the photos and abuse does not come from a written or expressed order from George W Bush to a group of deranged and bored night shift prison guards in Iraq, it isn’t George W Bush shoving a baton up a prisoner’s ass. It comes from the bad decisions he and his policy makers made to set the climate where such abuses occured and were probably inevitable. I outlined many, but by no means all of them above. Care to respond?

I contend that this has happened a number of times since abu g. My other contention is that when it is simply sadistic treatment, the people be punished.

Please provide me with the written reference titled “Doctrine of Torture”, it looks like an interesting read.

Responsibility, it starts with Bush allowing the Genenva conventions to be ignored. It travels through policy makers not properly preparing for the insurgency, not training the troops properly, outsourcing some interrogations, overcrowding in the prisons, “cordon and capture” maneuvers, removing long standing safeguards on interrogations, no effective system to process and release detainees, conflicting and confusing interrogation rules, brushing aside complaints of abuse made by the International Committee of the Red Cross, not investigating detainee complaints etc etc etc. It is in the Bush Admin.’s Doctrine of Torture.

From the Schlesinger Report:
“The events of October through December 2003 on the night shift of Tier 1 at Abu Ghraib prison were acts of brutality and purposeless sadism. We now know these abuses occurred at the hands of both military police and military intelligence personnel. The pictured abuses, unacceptable even in wartime, were not part of authorized interrogations nor were they even directed at intelligence targets. They represent deviant behavior and a failure of military leadership and discipline. However, we do know that some of the egregious abuses at Abu Ghraib which were not photographed did occur during interrogation sessions and that abuses during interrogation sessions occurred elsewhere.”

While trying to lay the blame on the bad apples as Peedro does, it is forced to concede some abuses occured during interrogations, the abused were often not intelligence targets, that abuses occured elsewhere, and that both the “bad apples” and military intelligence personnel were involved. Get real.

putting a hood over someones head?

a dog barking at someone?

someone bleeding for a as yet undetermined reason?

someone lying on the ground without clothes?

a picture of someone with a wound?

a picture of someone with something written on their thigh?

Amature hour stuff….

Show the pictures of saddam throwing people off of buildings, holding them down and breaking their limbs, tying explosives to them and blowing them up, holding them down and chopping off limbs. Show pictures of the prison built for torturing children in front of their parents.

THAT is real torture.

You idiot apologists, deciding that “apparently” torture decisions came from “higher up”. Apparent to whom?

It IS important that this is not as bad as saddam. Water boarding someone ISN’T as bad as chopping off their fingers….hell, we water board our OWN troops in training.

So even when amature hour torture is performed…WE ARREST, TRY AND PUNISH THE PERPETRATORS.

How can you idiot leftists keep ignoring this point?

I’ll take “discretion” for $1000, Alex.