The vice president shoots someone, and they don’t tell anyone? Something smells like a cover-up.
The more than 18-hour delay in news emerging that the Vice President of the United States had shot a man, sending him to an intensive care unit with his wounds, grew even more curious late Sunday. E&P has learned that the official confirmation of the shooting came about only after a local reporter in Corpus Christi, Texas, received a tip from the owner of the property where the shooting occured and called Vice President Cheney’s office for confirmation.
Cheneyquiddick?
He was shot at 5:30, he wasn`t admitted until 8:15. Did everyone need time to sober up? Most accidents like this happen when somebody is hammered. Drinking and hunting…nothing more American.
Stop it! You bastards are just aiding the enemy. Why don’t you talk about all the bird houses we’ve built and all the development we’ve done in the wild. We’re winning the war against Bird terrorism. I don’t want to hear about Halliburton’s multi-billion dollar no-bid contract to provide bird feed and decoys either.
“Cheneyquiddick? ”
Only if he would have run away and hid, while the man slowly bled to death, and then tried to get his friends and family come up with a fake alibi, and then used his family name and vast wealth as a shield to avoid conviction and jail time, and then spend the rest of his life as a career politician and womanizing drunk and always questioning other’s fitness to be appointed to anything by a Republican President.
But let’s wait until we get the facts.
Maybe they needed time to plant evidence that Whittington was talking to al-Qaida on his cell phone?
LB,
Its not offical yet. Mr Rove should make a decision shortly and mail it out – even to even obscure little posters like moi. I understand he may be considering some variation of the ‘no controlling authority’ approach (don’t know how that would work, but the TALKING POINTS will explain everything.
Republican Zombie Variant 034734529M (AKA Dugger)
cheneyquiddick& & .only cheney didn t actually kill anyone.
If you’re 78 years old, any time you get shot, with anything, it means you may well have bagged your final quail, so if there was negligence or delay then the analogy is quite apt.
So bring on the Chappaquiddick, wingnuts! It’s nice to be reminded that it’s been 36 years since a Democrat has (allegedly) done anything nearly so stupid.
If referring cleverly to Chappquidick, then we must specify which Chappy. History’s version or the inside left wing scoop Chappy. The latter, if the model of Cheneyquidick, would have Cheney being framed by the CIA (www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/archive.cgi?noframes;read=10111 ). Which as we all know, that is those of us who know why the levees failed, why 9-11 (I’ll take an ‘o’ Pat, an ‘i’ and an ‘l’) , and why Sen Wellstone’s plane crashed, is exactly what happened to poor Cheap-Scotch Teddy.
Dugger, Dike Bridge veteran, “Uhhh I would uhh like to get you out of that cah Miss Kopechne, but I hav my uhh political future to think about. See you latuh.”
cheneyquiddick…….only cheney didn’t actually kill anyone.
not a good analogy.
Man, Oliver was right. Chappquidick IS the official talking point. I haven’t heard anyone refrence it in forever and suddenly we’re acting like it just happened yesterday. Do you guys get faxes or is it just a hive-mind-like dispatch?
Oh, good grief, it is perfectly fine. The Vice President shot an attorney, and lawyers are always in season in Texas.
UH Leroy? HELLO?
Read the first post in this thread before Oliver deletes it to make it look like we brought it up.
I don’t think Curmudgeon is one to speak in “official talking point(s).” Well… actually he is, but usually they are Democrat ones.
By the way- you must have slept through the Alito hearing commentary if you say you haven’t heard “anyone reference it in forever.”
I’m just wondering – what would happen if some ordinary everyday american accidentally shot one of his hunting buddies like this? Police records, booking and bail, etc?
Anyone want to make bets on what will be happening to Pencil Dick, legality-wise, on this one? Think it will show up on his permanent record?
Tom…
Unfortunately, hunting accidents are fairly common. It is not at all unusual for no charges to be filed, as in the examples here, here, and here.
I doubt any legal action will occur, since this seems to be nothing more than a fairly typical accident.
P.S. for other posters…sorry, but I don’t think not notifying the press right away counts as a coverup. This guy was treated by doctors onsite, then transported to a hospital.
Oops… didn’t see the post below. I’m sure that one of the brilliant Putsch defenders here has come up with some wonderfully reasonable and logical answers to the questions I put up here. I’m going to go and get some enlightenment now…
Serious hunters don’t drink. But if you think Cheney and his fat old buddies hunting in a controlled environment is “serious” then I have a bridge. Most hunting is just for the sake of getting together to have a good time, much of the time with alcohol. Sounds plausible to me that these guys got together to tip a few back and exchange stories, while firing off a few rounds to make themselves feel manly. So why wouldn’t they drink?
And the reason why people are bringing up old Drunk Teddy is because of the absurdity of Democrats looking to get some political mileage out of this.
Yet, you scratch your heads after you’ve lost another round of elections and think, “Gee, what went wrong?”
Drinking and hunting& nothing more American.
Hunting accidents are quite rare, so this notion that getting plastered and then going hunting is nonsense. I don’t hunt, but I have good friends that are hunting, and the best hunters know they need all their faculties in order to be successful. Getting blitzed before climbing a tree stand or trying to spot quail is not a recipe for success.
You know what’s funny. The left complains that the Bush administration gets too much of the media’s attention for the smallest things, i.e. this. Yet when it happens you complain about it? For example, I was hanging out with a bunch of liberals yesterday and they were like “why are they covering this” and “I wish he shot Bush” type of comments.
Tom- I think that hunting accidents are rarely proscecuted criminally unless there is a death (manslughter is the charge I’ve heard in those rare cases in our state.)
Otherwise, the victim has some options in civil court if they choose, usuallly with some insurance companies involved.
TomY…
“Sitting on the story,” as you refer to not notifying the media, is easily explained in this case: no matter the circumstances, it’s going to be a political embarrassment to a certain degree. This was not an official event, the victim was not a political figure or foreign dignitary, and Cheney committed no crime and was not grossly negligent, so I don’t think he’s under any particular obligation to notify the press.
That said, as a gun owner myself, I have to say that the person who pulls the trigger is responsible for what he hits, period. But being responsible does not equal issuing a press release.
I can’t add anything except: Yesterday this was a joke.
Today it’s a cover up.
Who sent out the Memo? DNC? Kos? or DU?
Are there any people with above double – digit IQ’s who honestly believe this was a cover up?
Why wait to release the information? Imagine what the tin – foil hat wearing brigade would have conjured up, given all that extra time?
Jay, the 18 hour delay makes it clear that the VP’s office was in full damage control mode. I don’t think there’s too much “mileage” to be gotten out of this, but I do think that the VP should admit he’s responsible for putting a guy in the ICU for, what, three days now? But responsibility for the Bushies and their enablers like you is like sulight to a vampire, whether it’s the Iraq War going bad (liberal media/Michael Moore’s fault) Katrina (president is totally out of control of exectutive branch agencies like FEMA), Abu Ghraib (a few bad apples) or, in this case, pointing a gun at somebody and shooting them.
“being responsible does not equal issuing a press release.”
In the case of a Vice President shooting someone, I think it most definitely does. Just another reminder that to this administration, their first and only “responsibility” is to the political dimension, never the moral or proper governance angles.
TomY…
Sounds like you are confusing “taking responsibility” with “appearing in the news media to provide the political opposition with material.” I see no evidence that Cheney is not taking responsibility. The guy was treated immediately and taken to a hospital, where Cheney visited him.
By the way, 18 hour delay in what?
Jay, the 18 hour delay makes it clear that the VP s office was in full damage control mode.
Damage control? Cheney shot the guy! What kind of damage control was there? What, because somebody didn’t hurry and call the NY Times, that means there’s some kind of cover-up?
And the fact that we know Cheney shot the guy means we know he’s responsible.
What the hell else do you want?
Thank you, Frank
Quaker…
The discussion with Kerry was about his image as a sportsman, belied in the eyes of some by how he handled his weapon in front of the media that was invited to the event. The whole point was how he handled his weapon.
The discussion with Cheney was whether he was obligated to alert the press when something happened on a private hunt. How he handled his weapon only relates to the question/suggestion/hope that Cheney would go to jail for this. I haven’t seen anyone here suggest that Cheney is a skilled sportsman.
Besides, are you going to sit here and claim that you have never accidently shot your friend in the face with a shotgun?
I understand why the dealy: Let’s make sure the 78 year old guy doesn’t croak before we even think about telling anyone about this.
I have 1 question for the hunters here 1 for whoever:
1. Is it considered hunting to have 500 pheasants released directly in front of you so that you and your pals can shoot at will and be guaranteed to hit something?
2. I know the AP reported that Cheney visited the guy in the hospital but did he apologize?
I think the answers to both of these questions would speak volumes about the vice-president’s true character.
More fodder for you left wing whiz kids:
“The sheriff’s office in Kenedy County did not respond to phone calls Sunday.”
Get it? Kenedy County! Woo woo! Go get ‘em, guys!
frameone: Are you kidding me? An anti – hunting statement? Is your worldview entirely miserable? Jeebus, you are one unhappy guy. Go see a movie or something — enjoy life!
2. An apology? What? A public apology? For you? You are delusional.
In the first place, think: If you did what he did, would you apologize to him right there on the spot? Of course you would. Then why wouldn’t he?
You need to get over yourself. You are becoming a madman.
The Vice President shot someone. It was an accident. In my opinion, old people and guns aren’t a good mix. Just like old people driving cars.
Is the story newsworthy? Sure. He’s the Vice President of the United States, who also happens to be a strong supporter of the NRA, and he shot a 78 year old rich Republican friend. He could have easily killed the man. Then what, Wayne LaPierre?
Is it unusual for such an important story to not be released for 18 hours? Highly. I’m very curious as to the explanaton of why it took so long in a time when news is reported in near “real-time.”
We’re being accused of trying to get mileage out of this. Geez…whenever Al Gore did something dumb, you guys sure didn’t hold back.
The Vice President of the United States shot a man. It’s newsworthy. This does not happen every day, week, year, or decade. He’s a politician. Thus, the politicization.
I’m curious…has he publicly apologized to his friend? Or at least expressed sorrow or regret?
JK
Holy mackerel, you wingnuts have short memories.
Don’t you remember how your team went all Firearm Safety School on John Kerry because somebody took a picture of him holding a shotgun in a way that you all imagined wasn’t just perfect?
If he had actually plugged someone in the process, we’d still be hearing about it, just like we still hear about “wind surfing, ha, ha, ha” or “I don’t fall down, ho, ho, ho.”
Here we’ve got a top party member who punctured his buddy with bird shot…and blamed the victim!
But…harrumpf…happens all the time…let’s get the facts….noting out of the ordinary.
TomY…
…never the moral or proper governance angles.
That fits nicely with the view that the media is a fourth branch of the government.
Frame…
Regarding question 2: if it is reported that Cheney did apologize, I trust you will comment on the volumes that this speaks to you about Cheney’s character.
Regarding 1: I assume you also frown upon the character of peple who eat at restaurants with live lobster tanks. And by the way, is this the type of hunt that Cheney was on?
Well, I hit a friend with a dart…but I was aiming for him.
I understand the OCP corporation has decided to abandon it’s ED209, Cheney edition and just go with the “Peter Weller” model.
Which, as it turned out, was completely correct. And he didn’t shoot anybody, which is an added bonus.
I missed that question/suggestion/hope. (I mean, I have seen a commenter or two speculate about what would happen to your average shmoe under these circumstances, but I haven’t seen anyone seriously suggest that Cheney should go to the pokey.)
Haw.
Marty Says:
But let s wait until we get the facts. >>
Dream on, winger. The facts, he says. From the Cheney Administration.
I would say that this would shed light on any questions about him being a ’skilled’ sportsman.
And as someone who has done a lot of hunting – it is not very sportsman like to shoot fish in a barrel or chickens in a coup.
“Can you imagine what the press would do to Kerry if he d shot somebody,”
Hell, we don’t have to imagine…..we know.
He (re)-shot some poor vietnamese schlumpf, and then wrote himself up for a medal!
At least Cheney has mantained a sort of sniper-like mentality, “one shot, one hit” vs Kerry just spraying the vietnamese countryside with M-60 fire…
What hypocrites you conservatives are. I thought John Kerry was great, but I can’t imagine myself defending him from shooting a guy, then hiding it from the press for as long as he could. That’s just pathetic.
Is that how the GOP is referring to the Viet Cong now?
CHeney is from Wyoming. Its kind of the ALabama of the west…full of room temperature IQ fuckheads.
It is required…read again..it is required in EVERY WESTERN state to immediately report any firearms accident in which a person is injured. It requires a police investigation and a full report on the condition of the hunter injured and the one who shot him.
A police report must be made in conjunction with the hospital admittance.
THe shooter is not allowed to hunt again until he is cleared of negligence or intentional acts.
This is not a politcal statement, it is a crime to not report a hunting injury in nearly every state. THe fact it was not reported because it was in Texas
And…that information is public right to know even if the shooter was not a senile vice president.
FOr you city dipsticks, guns actually can hurt people, especially in the hands of drunken senile old shits like CHeney.
Did you just say that people from cities believe that guns *can’t* hurt people? I guess you haven’t seen the east coast homicide rates lately.
Well at least you’ve upgraded him to a combatant.
But “poor injured teenager.” Jeez, peedro. You sound like a communist sympathizer.
The issue as I see it is when the authorities were notified, not the public. There is nothing to indicate that the local authorities were not notified right away. The local Sheriff (Kenedy County – too funny) said they were notified by the Secret Service on Saturday and that the notification was within the law. Now, if the Sheriff isn’t notified for 18 hours, then there is a point to be made. But simply because no one put out a press release? It’s hardly a coverup if the authorities are told about it right away.
And it certainly doesn’t rise to the extreme level of Chappaquidic (sp?). Besides the obvious that no one died, if Cheney goes and names his dog, “Blast” (Kennedy’s dog is named “Splash” – can’t make this shit up) the there would be a comparison.
Joe…
Do you have information that this wasn’t reported to the police in a timely manner? I would like to see this information if you have it.
Nonsense?
Apparently, Jay, you have forgotten the gleeful chortling on the right when a few bloggers decided that Mr. Kerry’s grip on his shotgun showed that he was no sportsman, but a great big phony.
But you’re right about one thing: he didn’t shoot anybody.
but I can t imagine myself defending him from shooting a guy,
Who needs defending? It was an ACCIDENT.
then hiding it from the press for as long as he could.
What evidence do you have that they were hiding it? The accident happened at 5:30pm. I’m sure they were more concerned at first with the health of their friend than making sure some pinhead at a newspaper knew about it.
Only people as arrogant as our White House press corps believes they have some standing that infers upon them the right to be told about something the moment it happens and only hopeless partisans would buy into it.
Oh and Kerry didn’t shoot anybody, so let’s stop with all of the “If this had been Kerry” nonsense.
Joe…
Hunting parties are not required to report accidents, said state Parks and Wildlife spokesman Tom Harvey. The state penal code requires people to report fatalities, which would be investigated by law enforcement.
Maybe he’s in on it.
yea he did, some poor injured viet cong teenager
don’t forget, he put himself right up for a medal then…!
No cover up there…..
Is there any more substantial evidence that DIck CHeney fails, not just as vice president, but out here in the West, he fails as a Man. THis dog cant hunt.
The administration that couldnt shoot straight. Nothing says wimp or wussy more than a guy who cant be a trusted hunting companion.
Ha God GIve me the opportunity to go quail hunting with that anorexic doll, Ann COulter.
I think a story came out saying the Plame outing may have had direct negative impact on her work investigating Iran’s nuclear technology. Maybe we should talk about that instead.
From CBS:
Hmm. Hunting accident on Saturday. Interview on Sunday. Nothing fishy about that, is there?
It’s the new American dream to use a high-priced lawyer as a bird dog. Mr. Cheney can issue him a Purple Heart. It’s good he was not seriously hurt so we can joke. Whittington is getting old so maybe this was to be his last hunting trip…But seriously, Cheney is responsible for this accident, by all reports he is an avid hunter and expert marksman, this was reckless IMO
Dana finally admits that he wants a monarchy, not a democracy. Long live the King!
I guess it wouldn’t bother Dana and most wingnuts that the pResident would appoint his own brother for the 2nd highest office in the country.
Anybody else read the report that the secret service prevented the local deputy from interviewing Cheney?
Anyway, I don’t know why this story is getting so much attenting (aside from the fact that it’s freaking hilarious!) when the Paul Pillar story of last week, which was probably the most serious indictment of this administration, went completely unnoticed on these pages…
When CHeney first ran for national office from Wyoming, he portrayed himself as a family man, a real western kinda he-man kinda dude, a hunter, a fisherman, etc.
He is a fraud and a phony on any and all accounts. THe reason the story is news is not just because he is the vicepresident, but because hunting accidents of these kinds in Montana, Idaho and Wyoming are rare and usually commmited by women, children and drunks. Suspension of your license is the usual result of ‘reckless endangerment.’
So, tell me Scratch, what state do you live in that hunting accidents are blame free? Texas, Oklahoma or someplace even more reprehensible? If the vicitim were black,would it have to be reported in Alabama?
The vice president is the typical chicken shit chicken hawk. His whole macho image is as big a fraud as this administration.
If this accident happened in Montana and it was not reported in a ‘timely fashion’ he would not be allowed to hunt here again, on public or private land. He is obviously too old, too senile and too drunk to hunt anywhere but Texas.
Ya friggin hoo!
I dont know what state you are from, but all hunting accidents in which a gun discharge injures a person requires an investigation. All gun related accidents which are treated in a hospital or clinic require an investigation.
WHat dont you understand?
The reaction of our friends on the left is hysterically funny. The Liberal Avenger said that Mr Cheney could no longer be trusted to be Vice President because of this!
So, my fantasy is that Vice President Cheney resigns because of this, and President Bush then appoints the current Governor of Florida to replace him. Then we go into the 2008 election with another Bush to thrash the Democratic candidate!
This is looking better and better all the time.
Something is amiss here. I have hunted quail, pheasant and other flushing birds. It is a rare event that you can just drive out, get out of the vehicle and walk up some birds. Were there dogs involved? Or, were they driven out to location number 9, invited to get out of the vehicle, instructed to approach the designated shooting zone, and then wait for the proprietor to signal the electromechanical release system to send the birds on their way. That “they spotted another covey” is unlikely. They more likely walked in the direction of where the now freed birds settled after a short flight and would walk-up singles. A rule of thumb here is to know where everyone in your party is at every moment, and never track on a bird that crosses back over your line of approach. Some bone head mistakes were made in that party.
LB
This is going to be fun for Leno and Letterman for a few days, unless Rove threatens to break their kneecaps. Who knew Cheney could be so humorous?
So has the NRA issued any comment on the vice-president’s shoot first and ask questions later approach? They should send Eddie the Eagle to the WH to teach gun safety.
frameone : Exactly how is it that you know he has not done so? How do you know that VP Cheney did not apologize immediately, at the scene?
I personally love how you on the left have gone from mere conjecture that people were drinking to asserting it as some nasty conspiracy.
I do recall there being an instance where VP Cheney was previously at a quail shoot where the animals were released right in front of them. Is there any indication that was the case in this instance ?
Oh man you guys are defensive about this. Frank, I didn’t ask for a personal apology you moron. I just want to know if Cheney is the kind of stand up guy who apologizes after making such a grievous error or if he is, as so many of his sycophantic supporters seem to be, the kind of guys who shoots someone and then blames the victim. It’s a question of character, you remember that thing Republicans used to go on and on about?
And Scratch, the next time someone who orders a lobster out of a tank turns around the brag about his fishing prowess I’ll remember Cheney shooting the shit out of a bunch of farm raised birds that were released right in from of him. Are you the idiot you went on to add:
“The discussion with Kerry was about his image as a sportsman, belied in the eyes of some by how he handled his weapon in front of the media that was invited to the event.”
Okay, so if thatwas the discussion then, now we have the veep shooting someone while hunting farm raised stocked birds that were released right in front of him. What a sportsman. The hypocrisy is just astounding.
Ha…..”the administration that couldn’t shoot straight.” Good one.
In that sense, Cheney’s actions serve as perfect symbolism for the last 8 years.
Sometimes, truth is indeed stranger the fiction.
As OW said in his opening salvo..
“The Vice-President shot a Guy.”
What more is there to say?
JK
I think I know why the wingnuts here are so defensive about this. If it turns out that Bush and Cheney aren’t authentic he-men it means that every guy who voted for them is actually gay.
frameone : Your link was referencing the hunt that I referenced, the one in December 2003 in Pennsylvania. Is there any evidence the one in Texas was similar?
Is that if you voted for Bush / Cheney you are gay thing supposed to be some kind of put down ? Thought you leftists were the tolerant bunch …
What he said to his friend has nothing to do with public policy, nothing to do with his office, and despite your desire to know what he said, it is none of your damned business.
“Exactly how is it that you know he has not done so?”
But that’s exactly it. I don’t. I’d like to now what he said as a matter of public interest.
As for the style of “hunt”:
“The Pittsburgh Post-Gazette reported today that 500 farm-raised pheasants were released yesterday morning at the Rolling Rock Club in Ligonier Township for the benefit of Cheney’s 10-person hunting party. The group killed at least 417 of the birds, illustrating the unsporting nature of canned hunts. The party also shot an unknown number of captive mallards in the afternoon.”
http://www.thepittsburghchannel.com/news/2693558/detail.html
“public information to the effect that there was an apology, was a rather grandiose demand.”
It isn’t a grandiose demand. It’s human interest basic to any story of this nature. We heard about Russel Crowe’s apology when he hit that hotel clerk:
http://www.femalefirst.co.uk/celebrity/44682004.htm
What, the VP can’t release a statement saying he’s sorry it happened? He can’t have a PR flack come out say “The Vice President met with his firend and victim and apologized for the incident”? Come on man, it’s like standard PR practice. Use your brain you idiot.
frameone, you’re really reaching for excuses to call me a moron, aren’t you? I must really piss you off. Are you sure you don’t think I killed your dog?
Let’s go over it again, shall we?
An apology? What? A public apology? For you? You are delusional. [emphasis added - fd]
Get it? I was saying, to the average reader (not you, apparently), that for you to require a public apology, or, for that matter, public information to the effect that there was an apology, was a rather grandiose demand.
Anyway, you can always call me a moron again, after my next comment, but surely this bitterness and resentment is wearing you down a little, isn’t it?
Actually, the most natural reaction in the world would have been for Mr Cheney to have run up to Mr Whittington and said, “Oh, man, I’m sorry!” It’s about as certain as anything could be that that happened, and that would be far more genuine than any apology given for the benefit of the press.
Had I posted on my own website about his issue, I’d have had to create a new filing category: kerfuffles, because while this issue is serious on a personal level, it’s trifling as a national political issue.
Factcheck wrote:
Actually what it means is that it would be intensely amusing to see the contortions of rage the leftists would have to see another member of the Bush family moving toward the presidency.
I’d rather there was another Republican, other than Jeb Bush, elected President in 2008, because this is a republic, not a monarchy. But if it were a choice between Jeb Bush and virtually any Democrat of current note, I’d vote for Mr Bush.
What is everyone complaining about ? He is the Vice-President and he can shoot anybody he wants to !!
Dana;
It is bolonius kerfluffle unless you see the consistency of the behaviors
as symbolic of the WH state of mind.
What we are discussing is not some accident which is only news because
the Veep is the perp; rather it is about the handling, and I mean the
Micro-Managing of the information, as any group run by control freaks
would.
“Your link was referencing the hunt that I referenced, the one in December 2003 in Pennsylvania. Is there any evidence the one in Texas was similar?”
Oops. I was posting from work on and off all day today and didn’t check the dateline. Clearly, he didn’t have a problem with taking all the sport out of it in the past, maybe he’s changed his mind. I’m willing to give the guy the benefit of the doubt that he was actually hunting this time.
But listen, the apology thing is not necessarily some kind of partisan attack on Cheney (that was the gay comment, explained below for the slow witted). It’s absolutely bizarre that, in this day and age, Cheney’s office hasn’t responded with a statement about his feelings on the incident. I’m not looking for some kind of mea culpa, just the standard boiler plate: “The Vice President regrets the incident and expressed his regret to his good friend who said, no big deal.” Whatever, totally innocous crap that celebrities and noteworthy people issue all the time when the screw up. In this case, a personal statement from Cheney’s office ends the specualtion and, here’s the bonus, humanizes Cheney, a guy who could do with a PR make over right about now. A public statement of regret is a win win for the Veep. That is unless you are absolutely batshit terrified that a public apology will make you look weak. Which is what brings us to the gay comment.
Bush/Cheney O4 and its minions did everything they could to code Kerry as an effeminate, Frenchified wuss. The cheap shots over his hunting style was just one attack in a long series of veiled assertions to suggest that Kerry wasn’t man enough for the job. By contrast Bush/Cheney, supported by the media, painted themselves as the codpiece twins: dick swinging, macho terrorist killers who knew how to carry a gun and “work” a ranch. Bush/Cheney’s more mushed brained supporters like Frank and Dugger swallow this macho image hook line and sinker because so much of their own identities as men depends so heavily on a slavish idolatry of authoritarian daddy figures, cowboys preferred. Now we have a situation in which, Cheney’s own rhetoric has backed him into a corner where any public statement of regret or apology threatens the whole macho, tough guy facade. And if Cheney’s facade crumbles so to does the macho facade of his supporters. That’s why the White House, and you guys in turn, are so damn defensive about what was only accident. But god forbid that Vice President should be fallible or vulnerable or, worse yet, sorry. That would bring the whole damn thing crashing down.
Frame;
The imagery simply oozes penis envy. My gravatar shows the hamster
hands that George and Dick share in common. It may be the crucial
link in the unholy alliance.
Cleo, don’t be ridiculous. “Penis envy” indeed.
What he said to his friend has nothing to do with public policy, nothing to do with his office, and despite your desire to know what he said, it is none of your damned business
How come he didn’t get the answer I got? It’s obvious, Paul, that you wait for me to post so you can fire on me.
You are really coming off as a class – A asshole.
Are you a really tough guy? Because, if you’re not, unless you save this attitude strictly for keyboard commando tactics, you must be getting your ass kicked on a regular basis.
I know we’ve been through this nonsense about how you don’t respect me, so you feel free to continually barrage me with insults, but there’s a saying about holding on to resentments: It’s like peeing in your pants: the only one who feels it is you.
Get help, Paul. Soon
Ridiculous, maybe. But not impossible.
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