You do know the saying, don t throw rocks at glass houses, don t you?

LOL.

No, ian. Haven’t heard that one before. Maybe you could track down the origins.

Good posts.

Duger

Currently, what’s agitating decent Americans is not the FISA process itself, but the fact that Bush has totally ignored that process and decided ON HIS OWN TO BE ACCOUNTABLE TO NO ONE. And conservatives say that’s just fine. That’s the distinction.

Some on the left are pointing to this thread at the conservative site Free Republic which criticizes the Clinton administration over NSA surveillance similar to that authorized by President Bush. My reply: Yawn. For one thing, after 9/11 this is…

Mike links to an article that claims that the NYT supported echelon, but if you click on the link you find it’s another example of a very common sort of Republican lie. A New York times news article records what the reporter apparently found to be the case: that “few question the necessity of something like Echelon” for foreign surveillance, though many have misgivings about it’s potential use for domestic spying. This is twisted by Mike’s source into an editorial position of the Times that “Echelon is a necessity” for domestic spying.

Mike’s source, a site with the optimistic title of “the American Thinker” is totally dishonest… or totally clueless.

So find me a liberal source that was gung-ho about the need for Echelon for domestic purposes, and I will agree that that liberal source was a stupid as todays conservative bushmunchers.

Until then: do-si-do? no. Flip-flop, belly flop and flop sweat? You betcha.

But of course The New York Times had no problem with it back then. Nor did the Democratic party leadership.

Good thing we have them both around to protect our civil rights, eh?

Oliver, are you now admitting that the Clinton Administration spied on Americans without warrants? Maybe the Bush Administration could hire a few Clinton Administration lawyers to explain to them how Clinton was able to hoodwink the NYT into supporting their domesting spying program. That should make for some fairly interesting news.

“Without access to such materials, said Kate Martin of the ACLU, targets of FISA searches are denied any meaningful opportunity to contest the basis for the execution of the FISA search.”

It’s comforting that the righties will lower themselves to utilize leftist
ideology when it is in their interests to do so.

I think to say, “I wouldn’t care” would be disingenuous. This is why Constitutional limits are important.