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		<title>By: Joe Schmoe</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/02/12/so-youre-saying/#comment-22798</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Schmoe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2006 22:02:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is there a Republican talking points web site I can go to to find out the proper arguments of the day?

I could save a lot of time not having to plow through the bad grammar, poor spelling and general snarkiness of the umemployed basement threaders.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is there a Republican talking points web site I can go to to find out the proper arguments of the day?</p>
<p>I could save a lot of time not having to plow through the bad grammar, poor spelling and general snarkiness of the umemployed basement threaders.</p>
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		<title>By: JK</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/02/12/so-youre-saying/#comment-22797</link>
		<dc:creator>JK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2006 16:02:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jay misses point.

My point was that I&#039;ve never seen a Vice President go from such highly regarded stature, to the constant butt of jokes.  Dan Quayle was an idiot before he became Vice President, and continued to be so afterwards. Al Gore was a &quot;wooden, tree-hugging stiff&quot; before he became VP, and the perception of him as such didn&#039;t change much as a result of him running for President, although the case can be made that Al appears a bit less &quot;stable&quot; then we might have thought originally.

Cheney was the guy who was going to make sure the frat-boy didn&#039;t screw up, right?

JK
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jay misses point.</p>
<p>My point was that I&#8217;ve never seen a Vice President go from such highly regarded stature, to the constant butt of jokes.  Dan Quayle was an idiot before he became Vice President, and continued to be so afterwards. Al Gore was a &#8220;wooden, tree-hugging stiff&#8221; before he became VP, and the perception of him as such didn&#8217;t change much as a result of him running for President, although the case can be made that Al appears a bit less &#8220;stable&#8221; then we might have thought originally.</p>
<p>Cheney was the guy who was going to make sure the frat-boy didn&#8217;t screw up, right?</p>
<p>JK</p>
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		<title>By: scratch</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/02/12/so-youre-saying/#comment-22796</link>
		<dc:creator>scratch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2006 15:02:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom...

I answered in another thread.  Sorry to disappoint you, but it is not uncommon for accidents like this to be accepted as accidents, with no criminal charges.  That goes for ordinary folk as well as politicians.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom&#8230;</p>
<p>I answered in another thread.  Sorry to disappoint you, but it is not uncommon for accidents like this to be accepted as accidents, with no criminal charges.  That goes for ordinary folk as well as politicians.</p>
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		<title>By: frameone</title>
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		<dc:creator>frameone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2006 15:02:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;... Obama and Cheney had knock down, drag out fight...&quot;

Knock down drag out? I call it Obama, first few seconds.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230; Obama and Cheney had knock down, drag out fight&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Knock down drag out? I call it Obama, first few seconds.</p>
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		<title>By: (: Tom :)</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/02/12/so-youre-saying/#comment-22794</link>
		<dc:creator>(: Tom :)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2006 14:02:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I asked this question in the wrong post, but I would like to get some input on it from those who support this adminstration onw that I have found the right place to ask the questions:

I m just wondering - what would happen if some ordinary everyday american accidentally shot one of his hunting buddies like this? Police records, booking and bail, etc?

Anyone want to make bets on what will be happening to Pencil Dick, legality-wise, on this one? Think it will show up on his permanent record?

Has anyone seen any of the police reports about this?  Has there been any bookings, court documents, bail hearings, etc., about this incident?

It has already been established that a sitting president can be brought into court about extra-cuuricular activities engaged in while in office.  Will we be seeing any of the inside of the court room where Cheney&#039;s trial etc. will be held?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I asked this question in the wrong post, but I would like to get some input on it from those who support this adminstration onw that I have found the right place to ask the questions:</p>
<p>I m just wondering &#8211; what would happen if some ordinary everyday american accidentally shot one of his hunting buddies like this? Police records, booking and bail, etc?</p>
<p>Anyone want to make bets on what will be happening to Pencil Dick, legality-wise, on this one? Think it will show up on his permanent record?</p>
<p>Has anyone seen any of the police reports about this?  Has there been any bookings, court documents, bail hearings, etc., about this incident?</p>
<p>It has already been established that a sitting president can be brought into court about extra-cuuricular activities engaged in while in office.  Will we be seeing any of the inside of the court room where Cheney&#8217;s trial etc. will be held?</p>
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		<title>By: Wilbur</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/02/12/so-youre-saying/#comment-22793</link>
		<dc:creator>Wilbur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2006 13:02:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Wilbur, if you re juvenile enough to make fun of the Vice - President because he had a hunting accident, be my guest. Trying to make political hay out of it will get you  Shotgun  Adlai and Ted  The Swimmer  Kennedy.&lt;/i&gt;

I don&#039;t know about political hay, but I will make political humor about it.   Meanwhile you will keep showing yourself to be the humorless, petulant Frank Burns we all know and love.

If a death had been involved I would have reacted with less glee, out of respect for the vicitm and his family.  But Dick Cheney has governed the last five years with no respect or compassion for anyone apart from fellow oil executives, so he&#039;ll get none of either from me.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Wilbur, if you re juvenile enough to make fun of the Vice &#8211; President because he had a hunting accident, be my guest. Trying to make political hay out of it will get you  Shotgun  Adlai and Ted  The Swimmer  Kennedy.</i></p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know about political hay, but I will make political humor about it.   Meanwhile you will keep showing yourself to be the humorless, petulant Frank Burns we all know and love.</p>
<p>If a death had been involved I would have reacted with less glee, out of respect for the vicitm and his family.  But Dick Cheney has governed the last five years with no respect or compassion for anyone apart from fellow oil executives, so he&#8217;ll get none of either from me.</p>
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		<title>By: Leroy Brown</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/02/12/so-youre-saying/#comment-22792</link>
		<dc:creator>Leroy Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2006 10:02:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think we need more elected officials with weapons.  Hell, Andrew Jackson beat a man to death with his cane.  Think of how great the 2008 election would be if Obama and Cheney had knock down, drag out fight on Penn. Ave.  I&#039;d pay to see that!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think we need more elected officials with weapons.  Hell, Andrew Jackson beat a man to death with his cane.  Think of how great the 2008 election would be if Obama and Cheney had knock down, drag out fight on Penn. Ave.  I&#8217;d pay to see that!</p>
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		<title>By: frameone</title>
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		<dc:creator>frameone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2006 06:02:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cheney duels with a shotgun? How sporting.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cheney duels with a shotgun? How sporting.</p>
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		<title>By: scratch</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/02/12/so-youre-saying/#comment-22790</link>
		<dc:creator>scratch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2006 05:02:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yawn.  This &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nps.gov/jeff/LewisClark2/Circa1804/In1804/HeadlinesAaronBurrDuel.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;has been done before&lt;/a&gt;, only better.

Sorely disappointed that no one brought it up.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yawn.  This <a href="http://www.nps.gov/jeff/LewisClark2/Circa1804/In1804/HeadlinesAaronBurrDuel.htm" rel="nofollow">has been done before</a>, only better.</p>
<p>Sorely disappointed that no one brought it up.</p>
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		<title>By: Mouse</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/02/12/so-youre-saying/#comment-22789</link>
		<dc:creator>Mouse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2006 04:02:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After giving a moment of silence for Cheney&#039;s victim recovering in ICU...

...gotta pick myself up off the floor trying to stop laughing because only the most die-hard, partisan, hackneyed, idiotic nincompoops would feel the need to defend what at first blush appears to be an accident by bringing up events from &lt;b&gt;30-50 years ago&lt;/b&gt;.  The term &quot;knee-jerk reaction&quot; takes on a whole new meaning (with emphasis on the &quot;jerk&quot;).

Man oh man, if it wasn&#039;t for Frank, Peedro and their ilk I&#039;d miss my daily dose of the giggles.  Thanks guys, you never disappoint.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After giving a moment of silence for Cheney&#8217;s victim recovering in ICU&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8230;gotta pick myself up off the floor trying to stop laughing because only the most die-hard, partisan, hackneyed, idiotic nincompoops would feel the need to defend what at first blush appears to be an accident by bringing up events from <b>30-50 years ago</b>.  The term &#8220;knee-jerk reaction&#8221; takes on a whole new meaning (with emphasis on the &#8220;jerk&#8221;).</p>
<p>Man oh man, if it wasn&#8217;t for Frank, Peedro and their ilk I&#8217;d miss my daily dose of the giggles.  Thanks guys, you never disappoint.</p>
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		<title>By: withinreason</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/02/12/so-youre-saying/#comment-22788</link>
		<dc:creator>withinreason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2006 04:02:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It took 24 hours for the United Soviet Media to report this,that is quite long enough to come up with a viable story on this accident,or maybe Cheney slipped who knows,with the media the true story will never come out.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It took 24 hours for the United Soviet Media to report this,that is quite long enough to come up with a viable story on this accident,or maybe Cheney slipped who knows,with the media the true story will never come out.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank_D</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/02/12/so-youre-saying/#comment-22787</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank_D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2006 04:02:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wilbur, if you&#039;re juvenile enough to make fun of the Vice - President because he had a hunting accident, be my guest. Trying to make political hay out of it will get you &quot;Shotgun&quot; Adlai and Ted &quot;The Swimmer&quot; Kennedy.

Have fun, Wilbur, it&#039;s your dime, as they say.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wilbur, if you&#8217;re juvenile enough to make fun of the Vice &#8211; President because he had a hunting accident, be my guest. Trying to make political hay out of it will get you &#8220;Shotgun&#8221; Adlai and Ted &#8220;The Swimmer&#8221; Kennedy.</p>
<p>Have fun, Wilbur, it&#8217;s your dime, as they say.</p>
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		<title>By: nursepam</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/02/12/so-youre-saying/#comment-22786</link>
		<dc:creator>nursepam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2006 04:02:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That was the report I heard on Air America TomY.  It was the old guy&#039;s fault.  He&#039;s 78 years old for crying out loud.  Do ya think they might have been watching out for him?  He bent over to pick up his quail.  Granted it was an accident.  But Teddy wasn&#039;t next in line for the presidency.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That was the report I heard on Air America TomY.  It was the old guy&#8217;s fault.  He&#8217;s 78 years old for crying out loud.  Do ya think they might have been watching out for him?  He bent over to pick up his quail.  Granted it was an accident.  But Teddy wasn&#8217;t next in line for the presidency.</p>
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		<title>By: Wilbur</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wilbur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2006 04:02:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does anyone know where he got shot?  What part(s) of the anatomy I mean?
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		<title>By: Oliver Willis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oliver Willis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2006 04:02:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think its hilarious that folks are getting so political (especially on the right) over what is going to be in the top 5 all time of comedic homeruns.

The vice-president &lt;i&gt;shot&lt;/i&gt; a guy.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think its hilarious that folks are getting so political (especially on the right) over what is going to be in the top 5 all time of comedic homeruns.</p>
<p>The vice-president <i>shot</i> a guy.</p>
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		<title>By: Mouse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mouse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2006 04:02:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Best tag line:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://jameswolcott.com/archives/2006/02/vice_president.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Vice President Elmer Fudd&lt;/a&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Best tag line:</p>
<p><a href="http://jameswolcott.com/archives/2006/02/vice_president.php" rel="nofollow">Vice President Elmer Fudd</a></p>
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		<title>By: TomY</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2006 03:02:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They guy&#039;s been in the ICU for two days. But the spin I saw tonight on Fox was: no big deal, totally routine, it was the victim&#039;s fault, kinda funny actually. Witness the power of the Republican spin machine. ICU. Two days.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They guy&#8217;s been in the ICU for two days. But the spin I saw tonight on Fox was: no big deal, totally routine, it was the victim&#8217;s fault, kinda funny actually. Witness the power of the Republican spin machine. ICU. Two days.</p>
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		<title>By: Big Gay Al</title>
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		<dc:creator>Big Gay Al</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2006 03:02:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Best line from a commenter at Atrios: Five deferments, and we wants to start shooting NOW?
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		<title>By: Wilbur</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wilbur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2006 03:02:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frank, Pedro, Jay, tell you what:

You let us make fun of Cheney now and we&#039;ll let you time travel back to 1956 to make fun of Adlai Stevenson.  Hell, we&#039;ll even let you go back to 1969 and mock Teddy Kennedy.

Deal?

Oh, and tell us where your time machine is.  We&#039;ll take reeeeealllll good care of it to make sure that you can get back safely.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frank, Pedro, Jay, tell you what:</p>
<p>You let us make fun of Cheney now and we&#8217;ll let you time travel back to 1956 to make fun of Adlai Stevenson.  Hell, we&#8217;ll even let you go back to 1969 and mock Teddy Kennedy.</p>
<p>Deal?</p>
<p>Oh, and tell us where your time machine is.  We&#8217;ll take reeeeealllll good care of it to make sure that you can get back safely.</p>
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		<title>By: midderpidge</title>
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		<dc:creator>midderpidge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2006 03:02:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Time to call in Bob Barr&#039;s gun safety inspector.
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