Comments on: Black Conservatism Hasn’t Changed

By: Dugger

Dugger — Tue, 14 Feb 2006 21:02:47 +0000

Ryland, You didn’t read. I made up no phrases. There is a criticism of liberals, completely warranted in my book, and an acknowledgement that not all liberals behaved this way. And before you get huffy about usinfg commonly recognized phrases, consider your own post. See any ‘not literal’ word uses? Sure I knew you would.

Dugger

By: Ryland

Ryland — Tue, 14 Feb 2006 17:02:43 +0000

That is an absolutely amazing response, Dugger. You admit that they’re bullshit, made-up phrases, but then just swing without segue into a condemnation of liberals, as if it’s their fault that you’re spewing nonsense. “Yeah, you’re right, but liberals suck.”

By: Dugger

Dugger — Tue, 14 Feb 2006 17:02:03 +0000

Ryland,

No, you are correct, in that it is not fascism specifically, but the type of fascism the left has made a daily part of our political dialogue. Say good morning to a leftist and likely you will get called a fascist. He doesn’t mean you are a supporter of Mussolini – merely someone not as “enlightened” as he.

I can’t answer for you or freepers. Many, many liberals fought and still fight anti-communism. Thats a fact, jack. What you are trying to do is EXCUSE the left’s infatuation with and tolerance of the most deadly ism in history by conflating it with oppositon to Admin policy’s. Your opposition ot Admin policies is one thing. Opposition to anti-communism another. One is fine, the other is the wrong side of history. You may not be able to sort it out; I can.

Dugger, Always believed Hiss Guilty, Never owned a Che shirt

By: Ryland

Ryland — Tue, 14 Feb 2006 01:02:37 +0000

islamofascist: Islamic radicals that try to force their world view on others via violence and intimidation.

So then it's not actual fascism, then? Because fascism is a fairly specific type of government, it's not just people forcing their world view on other people via violence and intimidation. If that were true, then America is fascist for forcing democracy upon Iraq. So in point of fact, Islamofascism is a bullshit, made up word used by ignorant people when what they really mean is "raghead" or "sand nigger," but are afraid to actually say those words.

wrong side of history: that side of history which did not actively oppose the communists some liberals, and that side of history that does not keep score of the trmemndous horrors of communism...

That's pretty specific. So if being on the wrong side of history means "not opposing communism", then why is it that any time one of us criticizes Bush administration foreign policy, Republican corruption, or anything a Freeper doesn't like, basically, we're told that we're on the wrong side of history? Not agreeing with Bush foreign policy means I don't actively oppose communism? Condemning Republican corruption means I don't actively oppose communism? So in point of fact, wrong side of history is a bullshit, made up phrase used by ignorant people when what they really mean is "socialists" or "communists" or "liberals" or "hippies" or whoever is bugging you today, but desperately want to sound as if they actually know what they're talking about.

By: Dugger

Dugger — Mon, 13 Feb 2006 23:02:58 +0000

Impor, Actually my ‘name calling’ of Roosevelt was a dig at the rabid Malkin haters on this site who go overboard with venom on her because she defended Roosevelt’s policy of internment. I get a laugh out of that because this site earlier got all huffy during the elction when Roosevelt’s relative quarrelled with the Rep Social security program. Then he was a was a liberal saint, but when Malkin’s book came out – an interning racist(?).
And I don’t know what I would have done – neither do you. We have 60 years of hindsight. Just as those 60 years in the future will possess excellent hindsight judgment of us. BTW, I don’t believe FDR or Malikin were/are racists.

And I can certainly take Carter et al politicizing the funeral. I merely reserve the right to think that it was grotesque, tasteless and morbid.

And the battle against communismis not over (China, ROK, Cuba, american college campuses and maybe Venezuela will head that way).

Dugger

By: trevorwells

trevorwells — Mon, 13 Feb 2006 22:02:11 +0000

Bravo Oliver!!! That blast from the past before even I was born was great in putting the malevolent, self-loathing, and delusional black conservative movement into the proper context. Thanks.

By: Impor

Impor — Mon, 13 Feb 2006 18:02:05 +0000

Dugger- my point is that your selective parsing of ‘history’ is disingenuous. You cherry pick your examples to bolster your beliefs, ie. that your opinions are centrist as is Fox News. Your name calling of FDR as racist because of a policy which you would undoubtedly have supported as imperative to the national interest at the time borders on intellectual dishonesty. And if we have to keep hearing you “Cold Warriors’ continuously whining about international communism long after its utter defeat you guys ought to be able to take it when a former POTUS, by definition deserving of respect, talks about the politics of a dead civil rights hero at her memorial. Cowboy up brother!

By: Dugger

Dugger — Mon, 13 Feb 2006 13:02:56 +0000

Impor,

OW brought up, sneeringly, “international communism” as if it didn’t matter. Now if I had voluntarily initiated a dismissal of injustices agains Native Americans, you would have the beginnings of a point. Unforytunately, you don’t.

Ryland

islamofascist: Islamic radicals that try to force their world view on others via violence and intimidation.

wrong side of history: that side of history which did not actively oppose the communists some liberals, and that side of history that does not keep score of the trmemndous horrors of communism (some liberals did- Diana Trilling, Leslie Fiedler others) but too many not only did not oppose coomunism, they opposed actively anti-communism.

Dugger

By: Impor

Impor — Mon, 13 Feb 2006 08:02:43 +0000

Hey Dugger, here in the Golden State, during the Gold Rush years they had a twenty dollar bounty on Indian scalps. Killed a couple million. Don’t really know exactly how many, they didn’t keep a tally. Kinda like Iraq. Where does that put us in the slaughter bowl? And don’t tell me that’s ancient history cause so was that Roosevelt guy.

By: Ryland

Ryland — Mon, 13 Feb 2006 00:02:47 +0000

Dugger, please define “Islamofascist” and “wrong side of history”.

By: ahem

ahem — Sun, 12 Feb 2006 18:02:57 +0000

Shorter Dugger: Strawman. Strawman. Strawman. Strawman. Strawman.

Also, unless you drive a heavily modified DeLorean, you have no idea what history will say about your particular cultism.

By: Dugger

Dugger — Sun, 12 Feb 2006 16:02:17 +0000

Which “far left” president you talkin about. The interning racist Roosevelt?

And Commies have murdered roughly ten times as many as the Nazis. And where were some librals in this battle: out proclaiming Hiss’ innocence and smearing Chambers with homophobic innuendos.

Hell, In early WWII one Democratic congressman was found to be an out and out commie spy.

You guys are on the wrong side of history: fighting the anti-communists instead of the communists.

Dugger

By: Bill L.

Bill L. — Sun, 12 Feb 2006 11:02:08 +0000

Anybody ever wonder just how much Michael Moore would be in the news if Righties didn’t insist on holding him up as the ultimate evil? Now apply that same standard to Ann Coulter. How much air time does she herself get on talk shows and the like? Which one routinely “jokes” about killing the opposition (i.e. assasinating Clinton, poisoning Justice Roberts, blowing up the NYT, killing Muslims and converting them to Christianity, and so on)?

Someone has confused “micro” and “macro” with “disturbing” and “negligible.”

By: Frank_D

Frank_D — Sun, 12 Feb 2006 01:02:14 +0000

Black Conservatism hasn’t changed? Since when, yesterday? Beat the drum much?

By: Dugger

Dugger — Sat, 11 Feb 2006 23:02:44 +0000

Well, OW, international communism was and is the greatest threat to humanity that we have ever known – dwarfing in its evilness Nazism. Islamofascism has a long way to go but its headed down the same path.
I don’t have much quarrel with anybody fighting either of those SOBs. It is no credit to liberals that many of their ilk did not fight comunism and even betrayed heir country on behalf of that evilness.

But if you think it silly to fight either – have at it.

BTW Coulter sins on a micro-scale, Moore on a macro scale.

Dugger, Helping sort it out

By: Oliver Willis

Oliver Willis — Sat, 11 Feb 2006 23:02:16 +0000

international communism was and is the greatest threat to humanity that we have ever known
Drink up, Mr. Birch. Communism was a faulty ideology that died a deserving death. It was the far right who wanted to do nothing as Nazism, the far-right ideology that killed millions, attacked Europe and America. Thankfully we didn’t listen to them then (thanks to a far-left president), and in our struggle against terrorism I hope we stop following the idiotic ideas of the far right – whose net result has been more terror – and find a better way.

Coulter is a bigot and serial liar, Moore is neither.